Personally, I'm really excited to play as Lissandra with the new Banshee's Veil.

Danny DeVito·May 2, 2017·28 votes·2,164 views

But at the same time, I'm fucking terrified of Fizz. So rip.

36 Comments

NineTailedMysticMay 2, 20177 votes

Mid lane is going to be awful with new BV.

WimbledofyMay 2, 20176 votes

Anyone else feel like they should have switched banshees and abyssal scepter passives around instead of making one ap and one hp? Abyssal scepter looks like an ap item so it doesn't make sense thematically to have the ap removed.

DivewingMay 3, 20171 votes

That said "Banshees Veil" suits a spellshield much better than "Abyssal Scepter"

WimbledofyMay 3, 20171 votes

yeah, they should just rename abyssal scepter then and make it not a scepter

JoxcabMay 2, 20175 votes

But Fizz literally cannot do anything bad to you.

You shit on him.

CatastropMay 2, 20175 votes

I was too, but then I remembered other mages will build it as well and honestly, I want to rip my eyes out now.

Zok72May 2, 20171 votes

Don't worry, pop it with E or W first, then ult. Should be fine in most cases (though we can't just be secretly an assassin now).

CatastropMay 3, 20171 votes

That's the thing though, Liss already lacks damage, so having to waste a spell to pop a spell shield pretty much means I might never get solo kills on ap champions ever again.

I don't know, maybe I'm over thinking this, but I'm not really looking forward to this change.

Zok72May 3, 20171 votes

Yeah, we're not an assassin anymore, and that's unfortunate, but we can still lock down a fight super hard, and now with EVEN MORE safety.

WinTheWarOnPantsMay 2, 20174 votes

It very likely the new banshees will be toxic on a lot of champs. But i'm mean heck! item 3814 was such a great and balanced item right? kappa

Evelynn Elise Akali Diana Fizz Katarina Leblanc Kennen Shaco Ahri are all gonna abuse it until it gets nerfed.

NineTailedMysticMay 2, 20176 votes

I wouldn't say abuse, as they're intended to use it as a replacement for Abyssal... but it's not gonna be a good time for mid.

WinTheWarOnPantsMay 2, 20172 votes

I'm honestly worried that the new banshees will be too strong on Evelynn . When i build AD on her item 3814 is pretty insane for ganking lanes(especially now that you can channel it while stealthed). having Elise Amumu Sejuani or Gragas etc walk into your lane with a spell shield doesn't sound like a good time to me either.

Moon MomMay 3, 20172 votes

Good on the 46 percent winrate champ. Kappa.

Pommel KnightMay 2, 20174 votes

Don't worry fizz is more scared of it. We can't even hit the mages in tf now.

FızzMay 4, 20171 votes

SniperkajMay 2, 20173 votes

Fizz is jumping into all kind of random abilities, instantly getting it procced. However, he will get fcked by it, as he cant max-range fish anymore. Be more scared of the Gargoyle item thing..

DoozkuMay 3, 20173 votes

Fizz will be terrified of you because Banshees directly counters him as well. At least if he builds AP [zombie-nunu-bummed]

FızzMay 4, 20171 votes

PennsMay 2, 20172 votes

Why would it be good on Fizz tho?

RalanrMay 2, 201710 votes

It's low cooldown late game combined with Fizz's untargetablilty makes people nervous.

PennsMay 2, 20175 votes

Pretty sure its 40 seconds even at level 18 now which is pretty bad, the scaling cooldown got reverted like instantly. And even if it was low cooldown, what does it do? Help against poke? Yes but you shouldnt really get hit anyway, you should be trying to flank or splitting. Cant think of anything else.

RalanrMay 2, 20173 votes

Oh they didn't make it scale lower with level? Never mind then.

PennsMay 2, 20173 votes

Ye not sure why tho,I dont think its gonna be that great since it only gives 5 MR more than a Negatron beyond just fucking over champs like Fizz or.. cant think of another champ, maybe Annie if it consumes her stun, that rely on one high cooldown spell to engage.

WinTheWarOnPantsMay 2, 20171 votes

It just a much easier to use item 3814 . It will get AP assassins to their target without having to worry about pesky CC.

NineTailedMysticMay 2, 20171 votes

Any champ reliant on hitting a key ability. Ahri, Lux, Brand, etc.

PennsMay 2, 20172 votes

I dont think its gonna be hard to play around it at all as Ahri since you can just get rid of it with an ult charge (not sure if W procs it but probably with that too). But Lux and Brand get cucked pretty hard too, yeah. Tho Lux can just E it in lane.

NineTailedMysticMay 2, 20171 votes

It'll make it difficult to fish for Charms without committing to a risky all-in. And with proper positioning, Ahri's first R shouldn't be in range to target you and with new BV, she'll use up two Rs to get damage in which is 140/220/300 (+ .6 AP) damage off her full rotation.

Not to mention, waiting for W or R or Q to pop the shield is time they're not being CC'd and being able to retaliate.

Asayake 5150glowMay 2, 20171 votes

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Pretty sure its 40 seconds even at level 18 now which is pretty bad, the scaling cooldown got reverted like instantly. And even if it was low cooldown, what does it do? Help against poke? Yes but you shouldnt really get hit anyway, you should be trying to flank or splitting. Cant think of anything else.

It's 40 seconds right now, all game...

Pretty sure it's 8 second at lvl 18. And even if it doesn't help against poke, you usually only have time for 1 or 2 crucial spells before Fizz kills you... and Banshees will block one of them.

PennsMay 2, 20172 votes

If Fizz can kill you he will blow you up instantly (or tank your damage long enough to get more than 1 rotation off), so he can just dodge key spells like Xerath E or Vayne E anyway and then kill them.

Asayake 5150glowMay 2, 20171 votes

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If Fizz can kill you he will blow you up instantly (or tank your damage long enough to get more than 1 rotation off), so he can just dodge key spells like Xerath E or Vayne E anyway and then kill them.

Yeah but if the Fizz is bad, or you wait out his E, now his Banshees will block it and it won't even matter.

TheHappyReaperzMay 2, 201711 votes

As of Patch 7.9 it is a static 40 seconds, at all levels.

UNIQUE PASSIVE Grants a spell shield that blocks the next enemy ability. This shield refreshes after no damage is taken from enemy champions for 40 seconds. (unchanged)

OHminusMay 3, 20172 votes

I'm sooooooo excited to play eve hybrid and build item 3814 item 3102 item 3157 item 3026 item 3139 woooo please try to cc me now

(kappa)

BlåbæretMay 3, 20172 votes

I think this new item will prove to be extremely problematic. Especially on champs like Morg. Eventually they'll probably have to remove the passive. It's just too destructive to the mid lane as a whole.

FızzMay 4, 20171 votes

Sun Wu RyuumokuMay 2, 20171 votes

Assassins are officialy dead*[zombie-brand-clap]*

SeacruxMay 4, 20171 votes

anyone reliant on single skill initiates are hurting now. I've had to deal with this my last few games as Akali and it ruins her rotation/any chance at a clean pick. Her initiate is gunblade>q>r>auto>e you can't gunblade initiate because you'd lose the slow and 250+30%AP damage if you q to pop banshees and then do your rotation you have to wait 4+ secs before you get q up again jung akali means you're dedicating/wasting an entire summoner to pop a shield but it would sort of work better it's not bad while laning when you can just pop it and wait a few seconds but you really feel it late game when you rely on being able to get in and get out instantly

I also play noct a lot but I haven't even tried him yet. You're losing 240+75% AD of your burst on a Q+ult initiate, or sacrificing your smite

Same problem with zed having to pop it before commiting

So much for assassins huh guys?