Tell me that promos aren't rigged ?

option paralysis··103 votes·34,060 views

I was smurfing on my silver euw account, played 15 games, won 85% of them, feeding teammates yes, but I could carry. But soon as I get into promos, my team was 0/10 hardcore feeding in the first 5 mins. Literally I heard "an ally has been slain" 10 times in 5-6 mins. And not only that, I was trying to carry and muted them all, but not only one, but 2 of them went afk. I never had a player go afk in my recent games,not until I went into promos. And nobody fed so hard in the first 5 mins, not until I got into promos. 2nd game of promos I have 15 kills, but my top laner loses to LITERALLY GNAR BUILDING CRIT ITEMS, and my bot lane lost inhib tower at 14 mins.

This isn't just because of this experience, I've played ranked since season 4 and this garbage system has been doing this the whole time. Especially when I reach my elo low diamond or some shit and you win 2-3 games in a row for promos and you can see the same shit. I couldn't even carry vs. this system in low silver LOL literally 20 deaths in 15 mins and 2 afks. Yeah, ok.

197 Comments

JackMcSnipeyz31 votes

Maybe the other team had more smurfs? I find it funny to see you complain about rigged games when you yourself destroy the integrity of your previous matches by being against players who are way below your skill level thus creating those "rigged" games.

Imagine one of those games you carried feeding team mates on the enemie's prespective, one of them was maybe in promo, his title would be: ** "tell me this isnt rigged, 1 guy inting in my match solo losing us the game"**

Think about that.

Edit: just noticed you said you're low diamond player, fuck off, you're part of the problem playing against silvers lol

King Jarvan12 votes

Facts.

JackMcSnipeyz15 votes

The fact people are blindly upvoting this without even realising OP is part of the problem shows people will cling onto any conspiracy/excuse to why the game is against them.

Saianna19 votes

The fact people are willing to believe there's nothing weird or wrong with ranked system is mind boggling to me.

Is smurfing OP the problem of ranked? YES, he definitely is. But it doesn't mean ranked actually works fine.

JackMcSnipeyz7 votes

He's part of the problem. A diamond player going against a silver player will make your team mate look like he's soft inting.

matchmaking's integrity is going to take a hit because people like OP are using low ELO accounts to dominate players who are way worse, then come here to complain that the game is rigged when they themselves are the ones rigging it by placing himself in an easy to win enviorment.

So if we're fair, every game OP plays and stomps the enemy team, it's because a diamond player is getting matched against silvers, but matchmaking cant detect that, so OP's MMR is rapidly climbing ahed of his actual rank and the system is trying to figure what his ACTUAL rank is, thus putting him in harder matches.

hrooza dota 5 votes

people forget the matchmaking is just a program that match ppl based on rank.

main reason its unbalanced is human emotions (playing with tilted players or players in a bad mood)

and smurfs which is a huge problem and op is a huge part of it i cant imagine fighting a low diamond in my silver rank games that will be totally absurd

Sobx2 votes

{quoted}

Imagine one of those games you carried feeding team mates on the enemie's prespective, one of them was maybe in promo, his title would be: ** "tell me this isnt rigged, 1 guy inting in my match solo losing us the game"**

Imagine not seeing a difference between 1 feeding player and 4 feeding players.

JackMcSnipeyz5 votes

Maybe the other team had more smurfs, like i said, imagine siding with a guy who is the reason rank integrity and balance is ruined, then blaming it on some rigging program like the nutjob you are.

Jesus some people will just hang onto anything to blame anything but themselves.

Blaxonec7 votes

You are so right. If someone confess that he is smurfing he should receive a ban. Period. Smurfing is toxic you described it perfectly fine. People tend to think only from their view but its fine for them to go on lower elo and stomp everyone , basically ruin their games. Then after that when someone bigger than them ruin their game is a problem aka "the matchmaking is broken guys , f*ck rito"

Is smurfing allowed actually ? I would love to see guys like the OP get punished for destroying the matchmaking integrity on purpose.

option paralysis18 votes

First game after I failed promos, immediately a good team, I was 12/0 and it was 36 to 9 kills and we ended in 21 mins. C'mon man, tell me this shit isn't rigged lol.

TheSingularity14 votes

As much as people like to call the claim bull****, the sheer amount of cases matching this is astonishing. S6, smash my way to promos to gold. Then my teams suddenly become literal bronze-mid silver and my opponents are high gold-plat (some cases even diamonds). I got out purely through free wins, and the enemy team having a DC. Definitely earnt gold... but such a realistic expectation. Defeat players several levels above you, to reach a rank 1 level above you

MrFawknSunshine13 votes

what is the purpose of riot sitting there and "rigging " promo games? most of the time someone is in a promo game they are the only one that is. riot match making doesnt see it as a chance to troll you on purpose.

OP Garen Support55 votes

Because people would stop playing the game if they are fine with their rank.

Not only promos are rigged. The fuckin forced 50 % winrate is the scummiest thing ever. I had 75 % winrate and the system punished me with 3 X 30 % winrate teammates.

Riot can fuck off when they punish you for flaming but they put you trough toxic environment on purpose.

MrFawknSunshine9 votes

right that is why the people at the very top of the ladder quit playing?

oh wait no they are still playing

Ragnaveil35 votes

Pros in NA cant even use soloqueue for practice because the matchmaking is terrible.

DerPunkt3 votes

That not only wrong but I would assume a blatant lie. First of all they play soloQ to pratice certain stuff. You can see them spamming a certain champ from time to time. Mostly mechanical stuff where the overall play is not that important but learning stuff like using Caits Headshot-Autocancel thingy works everyswhere even in a losing game.

Second they skirmish other teams cause on stage they are not SOLOQ but Team 5v5. So they pratice teamplay. After all with mechanical superiority there is not that much to gain, since a Faker can be shut down when his team is to stupid to not allow the enemy to gank and roam to him 24/7. So you train how to put pressure on the map, where you want it, how you curves develope, what team comps you like. After all even with them playing mostly strong meta picks, the pro meta is different from the Solo meta and this is partially due to some champs playing differently in a 5v5 enviornment and also due to personal preference. You seen the rise of Yasuo lately? There is no good reason pros play not on 9.3 where he got buffed by the side. Also they didn't pick him up right away after 8.11 it just started with the new season, cause prolly some people liked how he played in the team comps they played recently.

So don't compare pros to soloQ it never works.

Ragnaveil14 votes

Really? Doublelift or Dardoch (cant really remember) talked with Travis Gafford in a interview, and they mentioned that soloqueue is a terrible place to get any progress with practicing picks for on stage. They are forced to only be able to practice picks in scrims, nothing more and nothing less.

Sobx8 votes

right that is why the people at the very top of the ladder quit playing?

oh wait no they are still playing

Go educate yourself about high rank decay system and maybe you'll understand why. Moreover, the strict decay system at the top of the ladder was introduced BECAUSE people at the top of the ladder literally stopped playing and went to 'fuck around' on smurfs.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

yet there are people still at the top of the ladder who still play

Sobx10 votes

Do you have troubles with understanding what you read?

xX uruz Xx1 votes

People would stop playing the game if it were intentionally rigged. Please don't let your emotions get the best of you, think logically.

If everyone has a 100% win-rate than nobody is losing. Tell me how that makes sense.

OP Garen Support16 votes

Riot admitted that they force the 50% winrate with their hidden mmr.

DerPunkt2 votes

Show me proof of that.

The system is not forcing you to go 50/50, it is a sideeffect of an effective rank system. you going 70% in the firstplace is the system not doing its job by giving you enemies on your level. Prolly that 70% win rate was you smurfing. Sure you will win constantly until you hit the wall of your skill and start to slowly go towards 50%

It is a mathematical certainty that if you play long enough against people of your skill you will end up crawl closer and closer to 50% The onyl problem is the best of the best don't have anybody to bneat them so they will start to close the distance to 100% while the worst of the worst will come closer to 0% since they have nobody they can beat. With the effect of teams being euqialized in skill, this is deminished slightly but still present and observable when you watch the best 1k players. The rest will stay roughly around 50% some more or less but the closer you get to the average rank of the community the more certain this is. Also this effect happens quite fast it is a exponential curve, like the bell curve, it represents very little players at the edges and over 90 are represented between 40-60 wr.

WAZZZUP5002 votes

What if I place bronze 4 my first time in ranked, but I'm better than other people in bronze and climb out cause i get better from playing often? Is that the system not doing its job? I'm pretty sure that's how it's supposed to work.

On the other hand, let's say I'm climbing through bronze, and the game decides that my win rate is too high. So, they throw a couple of golds in my bronze 2 game... is that the system doing its job? By giving me more experienced opponents just to even out my win rate? I think not.

DerPunkt1 votes

You have some wrong assumptions about the Ranked system. Let me try to clarify.

All of this you can read up on the Wikipedia Article about the Elo Rating System We know from previous systems and they 'fathers' that the first few games are weight heavier into you Ranking. So you being in bronze but belonging somewhere completely different is very unlikely already, but it can and will happen and has happend. The easiest solution would be to keep weighing the next few games after your promos still a little more compared to regular games. From Riots we know, they have systems to identify smurfs and put them into their respective MMR very fast. We don't know how the system works, but we can assume a very simple solution. When you get placed in a lower MMR than your skill level would allow you for, you will start to win and win big. It would be very easy to seek out for accounts on X games winning streak and just modify their MMR-calculation to have bigger fluctuation. This would be achieved by just switching out one variable. Should be easy enough. How exactly it works we don't know but just seeing how fast some smurfs rise will tell you it works.

So there are checks and balances and even without these checks and balances you will rise to your MMR it will just take longer, but when you are better than the people you are matched with you should win vastly more than you lose and thus keep rising till you hit your acutall skill level and start losing more.

With this we come to the next wrong assumption of yours.

the game decides that my win rate is too high.

This never happens. As I said. it is a mathematical certainty that you will go roughly 50/50. The game decides nothing. The game sees you MMR and matches you with players of that MMR, when you win a lot, your MMR rises, thus the MMR of players you are matched with/against does to. At some point you reached your skill cap. At this point all the people in your match are as good/bad as you are. Playing against people of similar skill will always lead to you losing. It feels like losing more at first, because due to human perception bias it feels like only losing. Sometimes you also are only losing, you just hit a losing streak it happens. This is the nature of gaming. You will not win los win lose win lose... etc you sometimes you win a bunch and lose a bunch and sometimes you get really lucky and win games against people better than you, your MMR now outgrew your skill, the next enemies are bnetter than you and you are out of luck and start losing until you face enemys that are at your or under your skill level and you start winning again.

So a ranking system, which then is used to match you with players of similar ranks will with mathematical certainty always hover around 50/50 win los ratio. Only for the best of the best this does not apply anymore. Since there is nobody left to beat them they will go higher than 50 and the worst of the worst have nobody to win against, nobody is as bad or worse than them so they will lose more than 50/50.

The problematic thing is partially the human perception bias. And the reset at the season beginng plays part too. Also as Riot admitted there was some trouble with matching the LP gains and ranks to the right MMR brackets. This meant that people with low MMR would gain more LP per win and lose less and thus they would climb in ranks. They looked like high skilled players but they were not and their MMR was not the MMR of a high skilled player. This is why we Gold in Iron games and Irons in Diamond games during preseason and early season. Riot fixed it but it takes some time for these players to lose the gained LP again.

Also coming back to the bias thing. Humans tend to focus on negative things (evolutionary thing that helped to learn prevent life threatening dangers) So we look up matches we lost and focus on the players in the enemy team that were better than us, we rarely look up the skill of players in a game we stomped and even less often matches in which out team carried us. So go through your match history and have a look how often you played with Gold 2 instead of against. How often you were placed in a match below your skill group and especially how often you beat these gold 2 players. You will be surprised.

TL:DR

The system works in a way that will even out at 50% win los ratio, this is not coded in, it just is a side effect of a fair enviornement. Some of this years changes with the Ladder make it appear like the match making is massively out of whack. This will even out in the next couple weeks. The human perception bias makes you focus on the negative stuff so you leave out games you profit and stomp people. Losing games is natural when you are not the best of the beast, the one that cannot be beaten.

The MMR system is way more complicated than you think, but you can be certain there is no hard code for a 50/50 win lose ratio, it is a side effect of the system and this side effect actually is good even though it feels bad.

WAZZZUP5002 votes

Not to short-sell your good explanation, but the problem is that higher ranked players and lower ranked players get put into games they really shouldn't be in. The question isn't necessarily "why did I lose", it's more of "why are gold players in a bronze game?", or "why are iron players in my silver promos?". This is beyond an increase in mmr, and the main issue people complain about.

I guess when i said "more experienced players", I wasn't completely clear. Yes, as you rank up you should face more difficult people in nearly the same rank as you. But gold players should face gold players, silver should face silver, etc.

And before you start pointing out the things in your post (I did read it), the obvious differences in skill whenever said gold players are in the bronze game is proof that it's not just mmr. If they really were so bad that they can't compete with gold anymore, then why are they stomping in bronze?

P.S: I know there are always outliers, but if someone is really so bad that they can't continue competing with gold, they shouldn't be in gold anymore.

6lack Superman3 votes

I agree with you. This game is and has been trash for along time now due to the matchmaking system. It's almost like when you play this game, you're at a Casino and you gamble your time and effort of learning the game and how to win games and it still won't matter how much better you improve because you will get teams that just won't win. It's a team game. I shouldn't have to play Jax, Irelia, Akali, LeBlanc, Yasuo, Zed every game to hyper carry to "climb" what if I enjoy playing a Tanky champion who absorbs damage but doesn't deal much damage, I'm being punished with teams that just aren't teams to begin with.

Yordle Xayah12 votes

I don't like promos. They were introduced as a way to let the Solo Queue player "Experience what professionals go through when they play a series" when in reality professionals that go into a series are playing with an organized team with 4 other people that have been striving for the same goals and that have been working together for months.

This does not translate well to Solo Queue

People won't always have the same drive to win, nor can you gauge their dedication to the game or that particular match that may be very important to you as a player. You can be in a 10 game winning streak, but if you lose your promos, those 2 games you lost become way more important than your previous 10. They've always felt artificial and pointless to me. Some people are in love with promos and I don't get it. Promos won't go away no matter what so just have to deal with it.

undercover900011 votes

majority of player are aware of that by now at least in the west and it's a good thing not to have to argue to prove it anymore. So now the next question is what can we do to hack this rigged system or force the scam company named Riot to delete it ?

hrooza dota 8 votes

maybe ppl need to stop smurfing from high elos like op

imagine every single player he beat with that account, its pretty unfair they had to fight someone 3 divisions above them

GigglesO11 votes

This was my last D4 promos into D3. I was on the bottom team.

https://i.imgur.com/rHYgkYE.jpg[]

I'm convinced

game after btw https://i.imgur.com/Si5gYLX.jpg[]

King Jarvan8 votes

That's so tilting. I remember when i was playing ranked flex 5v5 and had to lane against a rank 117 player (and it was gold promos). Like how is that even possible to have happened LMFAO.

GigglesO4 votes

Guess you have to win against tier above you to promote, but then get monkey games after?

Sleep On Stream7 votes

promos are rigged as fuk gold 3 promos i had a silver 3 on my team 26% winrate and he was 1. 10 KDA

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

They aren't rigged, because there's no fucking reason for Riot to do so.

What does Riot gain from keeping people a lower rank? Honestly? What good does that do for them?

5050BS15 votes

How to make a game addictive

Its the old Make the Rat pull a Leaver even when it hurts him.

Cdore6 votes

{quoted}

How to make a game addictive

Its the old Make the Rat pull a Leaver even when it hurts him.

I've been studying League for a while for academic purposes of how they string their players along with monetization and buying champs, etc, and that was a good read to help me. Promos and this new positional ranked are all catering to that very notion of "just a little more." Evil but genius.

Royoten4 votes

Maybe your team was actual Silver players up against Diamond smurfs? You might call that bs, but you're causing a similar problem to other actual Silvers when you're against them. There's no point in making ranked rigged, because the game is already addictive. You are the problem, especially for people trying to climb on their real accounts.

Anime Fizz4 votes

This season has been kind of irritating for me.

In plat 1 ~d4 elo ive been getting 50/50 games, 1 winninable game (which i DO win most of the time, since im a former d1 player) and then 1 auto loss right after (afk, 0-15-0 bot lane in 10 mins, inters, just any flavor of completely unwinnable game), having this shit over 15 games got REALLY annoying, since every win i have to work hard to hard carry gets erased by an auto loss right after.

Starcraft243ver4 votes

Promos are not rigged.

And not only that, I was trying to carry and muted them all, but not only one, but 2 of them went afk.

You have to be mental to really think the matchmaking is capable of guessing who is going to afk so they can put them in YOUR promo.

BigFBear4 votes

90% of matches are just lottery of who has more smurfs/autofills.

If i lost a game its almost everytime because of some autofill hardcorefeeding his ass off. If i win a game its because enemy team has an autofill feed his ass off.

and if its not an autofill its a smurf.

AlienPrimate3 votes

Explain this on on my smurf then. The Jinx on my team was complaining about getting "trolls" on her team in her promos when we got in because I was playing Taric mid with relic shield. Apparently she was unaware of how funneling works. We basically handed our team a free win while the Jinx was in her promos. Tell me how this happened if the game is supposed to be stacked against Jinx in her promos.

Yi - 86% win rate 14 games Taric - 100% win rate 4 games Jinx - 63% win rate 16 games

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2973107518/229064813?tab=overview

Arcanine194 votes

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Explain this on on my smurf then. The Jinx on my team was complaining about getting "trolls" on her team in her promos when we got in because I was playing Taric mid with relic shield. Apparently she was unaware of how funneling works. We basically handed our team a free win while the Jinx was in her promos. Tell me how this happened if the game is supposed to be stacked against Jinx in her promos.

Yi - 86% win rate 14 games Taric - 100% win rate 4 games Jinx - 63% win rate 16 games

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2973107518/229064813?tab=overview

Is funneling even worth nowadays? You get less gold per minion if half your gold income is coming from minions if I recall correctly

14daysuspensionk3 votes

Whern I first tried my promos.

The first game had:

An obviously scripting Darius on the enemy team (his movement looked like that of scripts whenever I threw any spears at him).

Then I had a boosted diamond Jhin on the enemy team.

And then an afk Garen forcing a remake.

SammyDayspring3 votes

I thought this was common knowledge.

fNyPbGill3 votes

I am D4 and I can honestly tell you that it is easier for me to carry in diamond games than it is silver, because in silver you literally have to play vs the enemy and your own teammates, shit is stupid yo

Iron Rubric3 votes

Dont go into promos on a win streak, swap to normals to you hit a loose streak then win some.

Riots system tries to balance your wins and losses

Suzuken3 votes

I can confim its rigged.

I've been in silver 3 for like a week and Im only losing when im in my promo.

It's fucking bullshit

Hěro3 votes

Not only in promo games, the matchmaking-system in general is just fked up.

I'm getting matched against Dia 1-3 players as a Plat 1 player with low plats. And on my smurf which is Silver 1 I'm getting matched vs high Plat players... even tho I'm not doing good atm there.

Idk what they did but I sure don't like it at all.

intForCheddarGG3 votes

i just played my first game in promos to g5 from s1, and i my top laner says in champ select "first ranked game guys" and then my support says "same" didnt beleive them until i op.gg and yes they are level 30 and 32, no ranked games. i ask my support to switch heal to ignite and she says "i dont know how to use ignite" needless to say it was a surrender at 15. this was SILVER1-GOLD GAME

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