Jarvan Is one of the best junglers right now after lee

UdoIkOSc4u·Jan 19, 2015·1 votes·539 views

but lee sin is the best version of j4 so what is lee sin? answer me please

9 Comments

DJ SiamakJan 19, 20153 votes

Jarvan is better than Lee in the hands of about 99% of the community.

TeemoJenkinsJan 19, 20152 votes

Answer: You have created several threads with the same general topic. Solution: Stop spamming threads.

Raise DongrsJan 19, 20152 votes

Jarvan IV as it stands right now, is God Tier. Lee is tier 3. Check yourself before you rekk yourself

UdoIkOSc4uJan 19, 20151 votes

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Jarvan IV as it stands right now, is God Tier. Lee is tier 3. Check yourself before you rekk yourself

from where you took the tier from your anus?

Raise DongrsJan 19, 20151 votes

http://www.nerfplz.com/2015/01/2015-champion-tier-list-solo-queue.html

Ironic that Lee is under the 'Balenced' tier, aye?

DiostukosJan 19, 20151 votes

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http://www.nerfplz.com/2015/01/2015-champion-tier-list-solo-queue.html

Ironic that Lee is under the 'Balenced' tier, aye?

....Wukong, Fiora in God Tier for top? Taric higher tier than Thresh?

This just seems like a list of Bronze Soloqueue roflstompers.

UdoIkOSc4uJan 19, 20152 votes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH THAT TIER IS SO FUCKED UP AHAHHAHAHAH

BlastermineJan 19, 20151 votes

The "winrate doesn't matter argument": High win-rate, high pick-rate: OP pls nerf High win-rate, low pick-rate: must be super skilled mains, can't actually have anything to do with the champion's strength. Low win rate, high pick-rate: LCS bandwagon sheep drove the winrate low, so the champ is OP pls Nerf Low win rate, low pick-rate: lol Urgot garbage champ

Basically, people forget that a champion's strength in solo-queue is determined by said champ's solo queue win-rate because stronger champions are more likely to win. So that's how we get "Lee Sin is crowding out other junglers" (in solo-queue) despite ( JarvanIV Sejuani RekSai Amumu Fiddlesticks ) having>52% winrate (to LeeSin 's 46%).