Wukong needs a new passive Riot!

Wukong Airlines·Nov 21, 2017·30 votes·1,634 views

With the new Runes system everyone deals more damage, lethality was buffed and It's pretty much obvious at this point that his passive is non-existent.
The thing is, it's not rewarding specially when an enemy dies in tf, you lose stats that are already being ignored by lethality + armor reduction + penetration.

Yeah sure you're pretty much busy with balancing everything around the new Runes system and adjusting them as well, but consider the fact that some champs gained much power because of the new Runes while others lost much.

I'm sure almost every Wukong main agrees he needs to be worked on ,but for now why not start with the passive?

40 Comments

TekkenPlayerNov 21, 201710 votes

I forgot Wukong even had a passive

Troll SlaiyerNov 21, 20174 votes

hmph...you fools! Wukong is suppose to be played in the midlane as an assassin.

i agree on the passive change

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 21, 20175 votes

U monkey !!! My place is at the top.

Teridax68Nov 21, 20173 votes

Semi-serious suggestion: what if Wukong's passive was that his staff got bigger the more time he spent in combat with champions? As in, his autoattack and ability ranges would progressively increase over time, so he'd have to start by getting real close to his enemies, before turning into this teamfighting monstrosity. Adding to this, I think it might help to replace the attack speed bonus on his E with his Q's armor reduction, and instead have his Q shrink his opponent to also reduce their damage output: that way, he'd be able to survive longer by disabling the right target, which could also help him significantly against marksman-centric teamfighting comps, while also potentially giving him an easier time jungling on certain objectives.

Wukong AirlinesNov 21, 20174 votes

Yeah he should be able to manipulate his Staff size, not only gain 125 range on his Q. he should be buffed in the jungle too, just like Ekko was buffed for no reason and is still played toplane.

5000000000000000Nov 21, 20171 votes

That sounds like a full rework scale change, but it sounds really cool. That said, this would weaken his stealth engage by a lot. That may or may not be a good thing. Do Wukong players like that aspect of gameplay? I think that this is probably one of the main reasons why Wukong is kept weak, but do correct me if I'm wrong.

AL000Nov 21, 20172 votes

Wukong is too strong enough but he needs a completely rework as Assassin... OR brusier.

Currently kit is kinda messy IMHO.

BlåbæretNov 21, 20173 votes

Wukong too strong? R u high?

Troll for TrumpNov 21, 20172 votes

He is really good right now, especially in Korea (one of the best top laners), but he's not OP, and probably never will be.

He needs to pick an identity though.

A few seasons back, he switched from triforce bruiser to full assassin.

So, probably should get a rework (diver update?)

They could do so much more with the monkey king idea, though.

Wukong AirlinesNov 21, 20177 votes

Why do you say he's OP in Korea? Just because you saw some video on YouTube (Op in Korea) doesn't mean he's a good pick.

First you need to consider his pickratio and compare it to other champs then consider the win ratio.

Any splitpusher can completely distroy him. + Toplane has become a toxic poke lane. He loses to any ranged poke Gp jayce teemo gnar, he loses to any healing juggernaut/tank Darius nasus Yorick etc.

My problem with Wukong's current state is that it's been a VERY LONG TIME since he was touched or adjusted (not buffed).

Meanwhile other champs get buffed or nerfed or adjusted every couple of patches. Seems fair?

Troll for TrumpNov 21, 20172 votes

Why do you say he's OP in Korea? Just because you saw some video on YouTube (Op in Korea) doesn't mean he's a good pick.

Statistically, on op.gg, he has the 5th highest winrate in top lane, though his playrate is a bit low. This generally means he's underplayed, or at least shows that he might not need buffs as soon as you'd think.

I don't play enough wukong to know his matchups other than that Darius shits on him (used to, probably not anymore). What I have played of him (lethality) has shown me that he is really good at killing targets fast. He doesn't have the mobility or roam of an assassin, but he can burst targets quickly, while not falling off a cliff as hard as Panth.

My problem with Wukong's current state is that it's been a VERY LONG TIME since he was touched or adjusted (not buffed). Meanwhile other champs get buffed or nerfed or adjusted every couple of patches. Seems fair?

Stability is good. Touching champs, in any way, almost always leads to periods where the champ is either insane or trash. Be happy that your champ isn't touched; that means he's balanced (or going to be reworked).

BlåbæretNov 21, 20174 votes

"A bit low" ? It's below 2% lmao. Only mains are playing him, and if you actually look at their win rates they are all at 55% or below. That's bad to average at best.

Ashen RiderNov 21, 20171 votes

55% winrate is bad to average? Nice.

BlåbæretNov 21, 20171 votes

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55% winrate is bad to average? Nice.

Yes, it is - for mains.

Ashen RiderNov 21, 20171 votes

I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you please present some proof of this claim?

Troll for TrumpNov 22, 20171 votes

Ok, it's not below 2%. It's basically 2% (1.94%).

Compare that to the other top laners.

Yorick, for instance, who Riot is nerfing, has a lower wr than wukong (slightly), which is justified by the slightly higher playrate (2.27%). I think it's fair to say that they're at the same levels of power on the tier list.

Other strong KR picks with low playrates are Malz (54% wr ,1.6% pickrate), Sion (54% wr, 3% playrate).

He's certainly not so weak that he needs buffs immediately. If they must buff him, they should probably be careful with what they do.

themachampNov 21, 20171 votes

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Why do you say he's OP in Korea? Just because you saw some video on YouTube (Op in Korea) doesn't mean he's a good pick.

First you need to consider his pickratio and compare it to other champs then consider the win ratio.

Any splitpusher can completely distroy him. + Toplane has become a toxic poke lane. He loses to any ranged poke Gp jayce teemo gnar, he loses to any healing juggernaut/tank Darius nasus Yorick etc.

My problem with Wukong's current state is that it's been a VERY LONG TIME since he was touched or adjusted (not buffed).

Meanwhile other champs get buffed or nerfed or adjusted every couple of patches. Seems fair?

Wukong is a monkey, he belongs in the jungle.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 21, 20173 votes

"My place is at the top" MonkeyKing

Wife In LanternNov 22, 20171 votes

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Wukong is a monkey, he belongs in the jungle.

Bullshitt. He literally says it himself in one of his quotes "My place is at the top!"

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 21, 20172 votes

He is really good right now, especially in Korea (one of the best top laners), but he's not OP, and probably never will be.

Its not... Its just as always one tricks make him "strong" (mean relativly high in wr). But Wukong is definitly not good.

So, probably should get a rework (diver update?)

ofc... thats why i was so disapointed when riot canceled class rework

BlåbæretNov 21, 20172 votes

Class reworks did nothing good for the game, you should be thankful they canceled that garbage.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 21, 20171 votes

lmao... only this board (so most low elo players) think like this... really dare to say "nothing".

Troll for TrumpNov 22, 20171 votes

The thing is at least his mains can make him do good. Right now, there are many other champs who's mains can't even make their champ do well.

That doesn't mean wukong should be ignored and forgotten, but there are other priorities. So, before touching Wukong, we should balance the champs that are doing even worse.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 22, 20171 votes

The thing is at least his mains can make him do good.

U need to be twice better than opponent to win ur lane... im not fond of this.

That doesn't mean wukong should be ignored and forgotten, but there are other priorities. So, before touching Wukong, we should balance the champs that are doing even worse.

i think its unrelated. Other champs are "only" in trouble due to new balance things (number on spell, keystones, runes...) ... But Wukong's is due to his kit.

After yeah, Volibear case is more urgent.

Troll for TrumpNov 23, 20171 votes

U need to be twice better than opponent to win ur lane... im not fond of this.

True

After yeah, Volibear case is more urgent.

Not just voli Aatrox DrMundo (despite his rework) Swain Fiddlesticks Nocturne Karthus Kalista Lissandra Nunu RekSai Ryze Skarner Tryndamere Trundle TahmKench

all share that issue. It's a long list, and Wukong should probably be on there too

ThefrostyvikingNov 21, 20172 votes

He has a passive?

....What does it do?

Lemme guess, its similar to Lissandra who´s passive was made into a rune available to everyone and now the mains want a refund, and cookies of choice ontop.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 21, 20172 votes

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He has a passive?

....What does it do?

Lemme guess, its similar to who´s passive was made into a rune available to everyone

Yeah

and now the mains want a refund, and cookies of choice ontop.

No, even before this. Most Wu players felt as passiveless. its useless with this assassins/divers

ThefrostyvikingNov 21, 20171 votes

.....I mean it's not useless, having looked it up.

It's just outdated.

It would be easy to make it up to par by just upping the numbers a little,altho it would still be just as boring.

It's like a resistance version of irelia's passive, except he doesn't need to be outnumbered, he just gains stats for having opponents around.

Free armor helps negate lethalithy which isn't bad at all, free magic resist helps him not get blown up by some wandering AP assassin or mage.

But as mentioned, it's old and the numbers are a bit low and could use a + to feel functional.

BlåbæretNov 22, 20172 votes

It's useless: It LITERALLY DOES NOTHING.

So ya, he needs a real passive or the numbers need to be at least doubled.

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20171 votes

This preseason ought to have shown people what a difference in 10 armor or magic resistance can do to the damage you take x)

But indeed, his passive stats are too low for the current game.

So while waiting for a new passive (him and liss both) upping the numbers doesn't seem all that wrong.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 22, 20172 votes

Its useless cause :

during laning phase number are too low... so it wont help during laning phase
when ganked, this won't help to survive to lee sin thunder proc... or anyother ganker
and during team fight, u'll melt anyway.

So at each time of the game his "passive" is revelant ???

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20171 votes

Yeah the numbers are a bit low in lane, but at 16 in a teamfight it's a free 40 armor.

That's more than Shyv get's x)

And current wukong seriously packs a punch with lethality builds, his winrates have been rising noticeably.

In korea plati+ he is the 5th best winrate wise toplane, and ....solidly decent at 50% in the jungle, 19th spot.

His toplane is also the 7th most likely toplaner to win in the lategame, that isn't bad at all.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 22, 20171 votes

Yeah the numbers are a bit low in lane, but at 16 in a teamfight it's a free 40 armor.

Its same as nothing. At lv16, u'll get OSed by any carry. this passive won't even help u to gain 1sec against any carry

That's more than Shyv get's x)

Shyvana don't get rekt by jungle camp, shyvana don't build glass canon unlike Wuking, Shyvana even build full tank deal ton of damage..

In korea plati+ he is the 5th best winrate wise toplane, and ....solidly decent at 50% in the jungle, 19th spot.

don't throw his wr, without quote his extra low pick rate... only otp pick him.

His toplane is also the 7th most likely toplaner to win in the lategame, that isn't bad at all.

late game ?? i don't see any late atm.

I'm myself an otpWukong, and know how weak or strong he can be.

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20171 votes

Its same as nothing. At lv16, u'll get OSed by any carry. this passive won't even help u to gain 1sec against any carry

It gives more armor than a GA, and you should see how much the AD assassins are able to complain about it making the marksmen too hard to kill x)

Shyvana don't get rekt by jungle camp, shyvana don't build glass canon unlike Wuking, Shyvana even build full tank deal ton of damage..

Shyv full tank doesn't deal a ton, i do play her so i would know.

If shyv is the main frontline she´ll still nearly always go 2 damage items then rest tank

If possible she will roll 3 or even 4 damage items as of now.

don't throw his wr, without quote his extra low pick rate... only otp pick him.

He has about the same pickrate as Yorick, heimer and kayle, i don't think any of those are bad top, and he is a single % below Sion as well.

All these are mainly played by mains that's true, but it's also true true that they are good in the right hands.

Otherwise their winrates would be garbage, mains or not.

late game ?? i don't see any late atm.

It does happen, as long as ones own team can avoid feeding a lot.

Its rare but it does happen, and if you can get fed and snowball then you don't even have to wait-

I'm myself an otpWukong, and know how weak or strong he can be.

You are entitled to your own opinions and thoughts but according to statistics, both his winrates rose by a lot once the preseason hit in korea, and his playrates also went up from where it had been before.

I am fairly sure it was only 0,5% or something for a while, and his winrates

It's a lot more now, that is certain.

Just like the Ezreal mains you could argue that nothings different and the champ is weak as a whole but statistics would argue otherwise.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 22, 20171 votes

It gives more armor than a GA, and you should see how much the AD assassins are able to complain about it making the marksmen too hard to kill x)

hum... actualy most complaining about GA arent even assassins mains but tank and Ap users, due to the GA not being useful for them since the change. The new GA isn't stronger than old one... Its the second life the issue for assassin. Assassins are more concerned about Tabi (JESUS !!! Riot nerf it already).

Shyv full tank doesn't deal a ton, i do play her so i would know. If shyv is the main frontline she´ll still nearly always go 2 damage items then rest tank If possible she will roll 3 or even 4 damage items as of now.

i play her a bit (outside ranked ofc). And yeah chose bad words... But u don't need to go full damage to be revelant (mainly with the removal of magic resist, her E is insane).

It does happen, as long as ones own team can avoid feeding a lot. Its rare but it does happen, and if you can get fed and snowball then you don't even have to wait-

Thats my main issue atm, at my monkey elo bot lane cant just let their tower fall... they need to fall too.

You are entitled to your own opinions and thoughts but according to statistics, both his winrates rose by a lot once the preseason hit in korea, and his playrates also went up from where it had been before.

Honestly, from what i see the winrate lightly rise due to the snowball thing. Wukong winrate was already "high" (was just 1 or 2 % lower).

I am fairly sure it was only 0,5% or something for a while, and his winrates

nah, was something around 1,3% (if i recall). 0,5 feel a bit too low (more like an Aatrox/Asol pickrate).

Just like the Ezreal mains you could argue that nothings different and the champ is weak as a whole but statistics would argue otherwise.

I think its IMPOSSIBLE to compare this to Ez situation. Ez was a troll pick a few patch ago (as adc). Now he's op. Wukong wr rise due to :

Electrocute having high number (honestly, i hope they'll nerf this a bit)
And the most important of all less tanks matchup (thanks God)

So yeah, maybe some can feel he's better atm... but on the long run, it wont.

ThefrostyvikingNov 22, 20172 votes

hum... actualy most complaining about GA arent even assassins mains but tank and Ap users, due to the GA not being useful for them since the change. The new GA isn't stronger than old one... Its the second life the issue for assassin.

On the boards assassins tend to complain about every single survival tool marksmen have

Assassins are more concerned about Tabi (JESUS !!! Riot nerf it already).

I think you´ll make the tanks and divers protest by writing this xD

i play her a bit (outside ranked ofc). And yeah chose bad words... But u don't need to go full damage to be revelant (mainly with the removal of magic resist, her E is insane).

Yeah i also started maxing E, feels so good, actually did it at times before as well.

Thats my main issue atm, at my monkey elo bot lane cant just let their tower fall... they need to fall too.

....Well things are "somewhat" unbalanced, like MF xD

Honestly, from what i see the winrate lightly rise due to the snowball thing. Wukong winrate was already "high" (was just 1 or 2 % lower).

nah, was something around 1,3% (if i recall). 0,5 feel a bit too low (more like an Aatrox/Asol pickrate).

I think its IMPOSSIBLE to compare this to Ez situation. Ez was a troll pick a few patch ago (as adc). Now he's op. Wukong wr rise due to :

Electrocute having high number (honestly, i hope they'll nerf this a bit)

And the most important of all less tanks matchup (thanks God) So yeah, maybe some can feel he's better atm... but on the long run, it wont.

You forgot that many champs lost armor and magic resist, the former helps him kill stuff, just like it benefits zed and talon so much.

But some tanks are still really strong, like Rammus or ornn.

Remlap1223Nov 21, 20172 votes

He doesn't need a new passive, he needs a REAL passive.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 21, 20171 votes

I'm sure almost every Wukong main agrees he needs to be worked on ,but for now why not start with the passive?

who care about a passive ? i think they should rework him direct instead just a passive rework... if not, we'll wait x years

Wife In LanternNov 22, 20171 votes

I personally think wukong's passive isn't very bad. It gives him survivability in teamfights (which is where he shines) and allows him to stay alive for the entire duration of his ultimate (essentially it's a weaker stoneplate) I got to diamond playing wukong in the top lane as an assassin. I don't think wukong is in a bad position, in fact right now he's doing very well (assuming riot doesn't nerf him) Personally i feel if they made his w's stealth time a shorter cooldown with a longer duration, it would add in a lot more outplay potential but still keeping him at a balanced level.

As a wukong main there are a few things that really trigger me when i hear them in chat (lol)