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[opinion] Supports aren't ward bots. They don't have to build sighstone If they don't want to.

redfeenix··9 votes·996 views

If you value vision so much why don't you buy a sighstone. Support is boring and the most gold starved. I'd rather spend 800 gold on combat effectiveness than on a sighstone.

You wonder why people don't play support? It's cuz the rest of the players treat you like a warding bot. Fk that I'm not your bitch, buy your own wards.

Sighstone might be a useful item, but it's not fun. More AP Is fun, a sheen is fun. wards are not.

Don't think I would ever get a sighstone in normals (might grab it in ranked though).

Feel free to hate you salty laners [slayer-jinx-catface] [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Edit : not saying sighstone is a bad item. In fact it's damn OP. However im saying that if a support doesn't have one there's no need to rage / get angry. They don't HAVE to build it.

Edit2: Okay I'll build Sighstone jeeez. But It's gonna be Support Lee ^^

72 Comments

Warlord Zudane6 votes

I love playing support lately. Or top, but support is fun. I don't want to go AP as support, then it's offensive, not support. I don't want to buy sightstone either when it's not needed. But it's not totally useless. It adds +200 health if you want (as Soraka it helps a lot). But if you don't want to then don't.

If you want to whine about being a support, then don't be a support. A support helps, a person that helps shouldn't be whining about having to help. If you want AP and damage and what not... take ADC or mid. Support, unless it's an aggressive support, needs to be supporting their ADC - that might mean grabbing a kill as someone is about to escape or it might mean jumping in to block damage from your ADC to save them. Either way - you aren't the slave, but as support it is literally your job to help the ADC. That's why it's called support.

redfeenix1 votes

Well said I love playing support as well. Love cockblocking assassins like rengar or talon. I don't tell laners YOU HAVE TO BUILD THIS ITEM OR YOUR REPORTED. Id like that same courtesy reflected back to me. That's what I'm trying too convey in this passive aggressive post :p

khorney1 votes

People say that about mikhail or that similar item

Hige2 votes

So a smiteless Jungler is perfectly fine according to you? it's the exact same thing.

BastionKross3 votes

If you want to whine about being a support, then don't be a support.

That's actually one of the bigger problems with matchmaking at the moment; most players have already taken your advice. We should be working to make the support role more appealing, instead of telling people "if you don't like it, you can leave".

Warlord Zudane1 votes

And that's perfectly acceptable. If the support role isn't being worked well, then skip the support. The games would be so much better if people would be able to play roles they wanted. Someone, somewhere, pointed out the meta changing, and I think that's all we need. No support? Fine, duo top and run solo bottom. Yea, bottom will get smashed - so play defensive, that 2 on 1 top though will draw away the support from bottom and you have adc vs adc.

Don't like the meta? Change it. Don't just whine about it. Duo bot? I ran that a lot before and loved it (still do occasionally). It can be a lot more fun than adc/support. Just do an aggressive support or two fitting champs on bottom.

khorney1 votes

I could care less about having to buy sight stone I just get the ap one.... 25 ap isn't a loss for me tbh ..... that teemo supp op

ViiLLAiN5 votes

actually

supports do always buy sightstones. and if u dont you are making ur team weaker and also not doing ur job as asuppoort. Yes everyone wards but YOU AS A SUPPORT BUY SIGHTSTONE

Kitty Cat Tosha5 votes

As Velkoz support, I always buy sightstone, and STILL do more than enough damage to melt their entire team. I especially like the mana regen on Eye of the Watchers - makes me poke for days when we siege.

Building sightstone is not a setback - at least, it does not feel like it for me.

redfeenix1 votes

I don't think so either, but it's nothing to get angry about if the support doesn't have one

DrCyanide4 votes

Yeah, actually it is.

I've had to build Sightstone on a few carries in games where the support was too stubborn and selfish to build it. It results in a carry wandering off into the jungle alone, a prime target to be picked off, and lost gold for the entire team because they're not in the lane getting CS. Every game where the support didn't build a sightstone has been a loss, because vision is that key.

If you want to be the selfish player, play some other role and leave Support for those amazing selfless individuals.

redfeenix2 votes

Yep that's why most players don't support and it's the least picked role.

DrCyanide4 votes

It's the least picked for a few reasons, but buying a sightstone isn't one of them.

The biggest problem with the Support queue right now is that Fill got messed up. You can go into a Blind Pick game, say "Fill" and have less than a 20% chance of getting Support, because so many people pick it 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. The new champ select essentially says "If you put Fill or Support secondary, you're now a Support Main," which has resulted in people abandoning it. So while other roles have people picking them as Secondary, Support is missing that because of the naive approach Riot took with the first iteration of Champ Select ("naive" is their word for it too).

redfeenix1 votes

Yes, and also because supports are harassed by the rest of their teammates for getting a kill or not warding enough.

CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

{quoted}

Yes, and also because supports are harassed by the rest of their teammates for getting a kill or not warding enough.

if you don't do your job and try to go kill things you become a burden on top of a burden in 90% of cases

DrCyanide1 votes

Buy a Sightstone and you'll see less complaints about warding enough, and you'll be able to tell them your got your three wards out.

redfeenix1 votes

Heh I guess i'll just start building sightstone from now on then. Dont wanna be a troll I guess

EMeta4 votes

It's like calling adc and then building Ashe AP. It can be a winning strategy in some weird cases, but it'll probably cost your team the game. Can you do that? Well, sure. But it's a dick move.

Totalwanabe2 votes

support are gold starved because adc think that minions only belong to them. Nothing belong to a single players period. so what if that support took the kill still help you and it help him. good example of typical adc mentality is tyler1.

ViiLLAiN5 votes

{quoted}

support are gold starved because adc think that minions only belong to them. Nothing belong to a single players period. so what if that support took the kill still help you and it help him. good example of typical adc mentality is tyler1.

minions do belong to the adc when they are in lane, if they leave lane u freeze the wave by tanking the minions and only LAST HIT the minions that they would of missed... also KS means Kill SECURED not steaal. Taking kills is not a big deal if it saves someones life...Taking kills that cleary the adc could have gotten or someone else could have gotten is the issue. THIS IS THE SUPPORT ROLE u dont like it play another role

redfeenix1 votes

Yeah can't you read these minions have the ADCs name written on them. Don't steal kills

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

{quoted}

Yeah can't you read these minions have the ADCs name written on them. Don't steal kills

if youre gonna farm then build to farm not to randomly fail trying to take cs from the adc and not even last hit anything.

{quoted}

I usually play melee tank Supports. I don't buy spooky ghosts on them, I prefer targons to keep my team alive.

Bandit: gain 1 gold when an enemy minion dies, and 3 gold I'd you attack someone. .... Hmm seems like I can get a ton of gold using this !

its not a ton, its just enough so that you have an easier time getting 800g for sightstone, you wont have to build the next level up for most if not all of the match

Totalwanabe2 votes

nah mister i only play adc and don't understand that it doesn't matter who get the kill. what matter is that no one die on your team to obtain it since it's a team game not an adc only game if you want that go play a match where support will ditch you since you don't deserve to have a lane partner and see how you will fair with that everything belongs to me only mentality.

ViiLLAiN2 votes

{quoted}

nah mister i only play adc and don't understand that it doesn't matter who get the kill. what matter is that no one die on your team to obtain it since it's a team game not an adc only game if you want that go play a match where support will ditch you since you don't deserve to have a lane partner with that mentality.

idk who u talking to if it is me. pls read again what i said u did not read it correctly

Totalwanabe3 votes

i read it right you're not a sharing player in short not a team player. you're a everything belong to me only player types.

ViiLLAiN1 votes

{quoted}

i read it right you're not a sharing player in short not a team player. you're a everything belong to me only player types.

not a sharing player cleary said take the minons the adc would of missed. YOu need to realize SUPPORT items are cheap as fuck. ADC items are not cheap at all. WE need all the gold that is available to us in lane so we can do our job and carry mid to late game. You need to do your job as a support to make sure adc doesnt die and the adc gets the gold they needd.

Totalwanabe2 votes

when i play with another player that use to play support has an adc neither of us have issue with either farm or kill and when i play bot lane i only play kill lane support. But the moment i have to deal with a player like you, match is over since you will whine all day to everyone in all chat.

ViiLLAiN2 votes

supports are gold starved???????? are u kidding me???? they recieve tons of gold by attacking enemy champions oh wait but low elo player supports dont do that so they lose and blame it on gold income... pls read spellthiefs passive then get back to me also read the mastery that gives u gold for attacking people and gold from when minions die.,... U clearly do not understand the game well enough to know supports make good income enough to buy their support items which gives them more gold.

redfeenix2 votes

I usually play melee tank Supports. I don't buy spooky ghosts on them, I prefer targons to keep my team alive.

Bandit: gain 1 gold when an enemy minion dies, and 3/10 gold If you attack someone. .... Hmm seems like I can get a ton of gold using this !

ViiLLAiN7 votes

{quoted}

I usually play melee tank Supports. I don't buy spooky ghosts on them, I prefer targons to keep my team alive.

u realize all support items give gold income not just spelltheifs..............

JQKAndrei1 votes

Bandit gives 10 gold on melees.

redfeenix1 votes

Oops read the wiki article wrong, thanks

ViiLLAiN2 votes

idk what elo i seem to be talking to but you should always have a sightstone if you are the support. idk how this is even debatable

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

sometimes as an adc when I get a shit support who doesn't build sightstone I just get one and warn the team that the adc's damage will be delayed because of the shit support. It usually works out but as stated before it delays the adc's damage. A lot of adcs will get at least one hp item eventually just like supports and mages and fighters and pretty much anyone who isn't shit. But the shit support just does it after they go get shit on instead of before

redfeenix1 votes

Wow you build sighstone on ADC ? That's something you don't see often. Kudos to you for trying something off Meta

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

{quoted}

Wow you build sighstone on ADC ? That's something you don't see often. Kudos to you for trying something off Meta

its not really offmeta

I have an offmeta support gimping me and my team so I just compensate using a meta concept regarding the typical amount of defenses an adc might buy

Powderkegg2 votes

Smite isn't mandatory to jungle, but it helps..a lot.

GaleWinUnleashed2 votes

Well then what on earth are you doing playing support if you don't want to help provide vision, the best utility in the game?

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

redfeenix1 votes

I love peeling for my carries and cockblocking enemy assassins. I don't wanna get harassed because I didn't build an item you think I should build.

Dead Echo2 votes

I do agree that people shouldn't rage when the support doesn't get a sighstone and I accept that this is is your opinion. As a support main I agree its not always fun having to waste gold on getting this item, but I do take great pleasure in having complete vision bot lane and being hyper aggressive to my enemy laners, denying them farm and exp, and knowing there's nothing they can do about it. In the right match ups my Velkoz is a nightmare to my enemies.

redfeenix1 votes

I like and respect your opinion, cheers :D

TheOvermind2 votes

No what you are meant to say is : " I don't have to play support if I don't want to"

Which is absolutely true. No one is forcing you to play support. But if you do ever get it for whatever reason. Play it. Play support the way it's supposed to be played. Which includes buying a ss.

redfeenix1 votes

I love playing support and cockblocking assassins. I just think people should have the freedom to build whatever items they want. If I don't have the sighstone there's no reason to get angry lmao

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

{quoted}

I love playing support and cockblocking assassins. I just think people should have the freedom to build whatever items they want. If I don't have the sighstone there's no reason to get angry lmao

if you aren't warding you aren't cockblocking any good assassin

Hige1 votes

Ok, ADCs aren't damage bots, they can build tank if they want, will they be half as effective?????? How about taking advantage of those AP scaling on ONE skill by building full AP??

It's not a matter of choice, if you're the support, it's YOUR JOB to ward as much as the ADC's job is to deal damage.

Unpaladin1 votes

This was only half plausible before Riot nerfed the shit out of all types of vision. Right now, Sightstone is really, really important. Nothing will be warded if a team doesn't have one of these, since trinket wards are so bad they disappear the moment put it down and walk back to your lane.

Also ward dragon, I run TP a lot and I've seen none of you supports ward dragon since season 5 you bastards :|

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

I'm going to guess you're low silver or lower.

USG Failsawce1 votes

Why do all these sightstone threads keep popping up from bad kids lately?

USG Failsawce1 votes

{quoted} Thats the main job of the support? to be a ward bot?

Yes. Get over it.

The Last Ballad1 votes

As someone with the top 5 champion masteries being supports, Sightstone may not be mandatory, but it is stupidly helpful. With it, you can clear out enemy wards with the red trinket without sacrificing the vision you can give. You can put out more than one ward without gimping yourself for the next minute and a half. You can keep a tab on the tri bush, the river bush(pink the river if you are on the red side, tri bush if you are on the blue), dragon, and one deep ward into the enemies jungle as an extra precaution(or in the single bush by mid if they need help). So tell me, why on earth would you give up all that vision for 25 ap, which may not even do much depending on your champ? I don't even skip it as Anivia, who has 2 100% ap scalings(50% on q, which can hit the same target twice, 50% on e, which can do double damage), despite the fact that she is a combat support, because the sight is just too helpful for protection. With sight, I can leave the adc to attack the tower while I back, knowing that I can ping if there is someone approaching.

As a support, your job is to provide utility, with a side of healing/sheiding/cc/damage. Support Zyra's never go full ap(unless they are the only ones doing well), they build things like item 3116 and item 3060. Why? Because as support you are there to give utility. Go ahead and play off meta supports, but you are not there to get kills, but instead to make kills for your team.

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