"Not a burst Assassin" - Riot

Poptart Evelynn·Jun 2, 2015·131 votes·8,506 views

Bahahahahahahahaha

121 Comments

Sky ShadowJun 2, 201550 votes

Nah, he's a "sustained damage" assassin.

OyddAWqJ5rJun 2, 201517 votes

Upon closer inspection you can see the 0.0001 font in between "sustained" and "damage" that says "burst".

"Sustained Burst Damage Assassin." Now with 20% more counterplay for a nutritious laning phase.

A Miss FortuneJun 2, 20153 votes

If he's a sustained damage assassin....

Cassiopeia imagine if Cass applied like 10 of her E's all at once.

kanachoJun 3, 20152 votes

Nah he's a "sustained damage" "Control mage" assassin, who has an ulti that is half a kayle ulti (momentary invulnerability), a massive heal, a massive nuke, and a blink all at the same time. Why do some people think he's balanced?

zane yalgirJun 2, 201514 votes

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Bahahahahahahahaha

was teemo got one shot by a pre 6 ekko at 3/4s life. i just ignore riot now they have absolutely no idea what they are saying and i stopped caring

im talking zero counter play lb isnta gib and as a jungle ekko. fastest gank ive seen in a while

CarniverousJun 2, 20155 votes

isnta gib

Been so long since I have heard that...

zane yalgirJun 2, 20151 votes

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Been so long since I have heard that...

its the truth pre level 6 i got insta gibbed the only thing that would have saved me was knowing he was coming... and ofcourse i hadnt backed for wards yet cause it was only level 4 was 1/0 with 3/4 life....

CarniverousJun 2, 20152 votes

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its the truth pre level 6 i got insta gibbed the only thing that would have saved me was knowing he was coming... and ofcourse i hadnt backed for wards yet cause it was only level 4 was 1/0 with 3/4 life....

His ratios are too high, with no draw back from all his utility. Yas, ahd the same problems, huge damage, free shields, double the cost efficiency on crit.

ElJanitorFrankJun 2, 201510 votes

Without his ult, he has no burst.

If you get hit by his ultimate, it's entirely your fault, not Riot's.

lDontLiftIcarryJun 2, 201526 votes

he doenst need ult. Least not the way his numbers are right now. His ult is for the heal.

ElJanitorFrankJun 2, 20155 votes

But his ult is his only form of burst...

He can get 3 stacks on you and 2 hits with Q, sure.

But then that isn't burst, now is it?

lDontLiftIcarryJun 2, 201514 votes

I've played against him, his kit is toxic. He's like if zil and fizz had a baby. I don't like how it works out damage wise. Playstyle its also dumb since he's impossible to focus down becuase his ult is invul timer

DaeonicJun 2, 20153 votes

I think this is merely a matter of you not understanding the difference between subjective and objective. Subjective is your opinion. Objective is fact. "His kit is toxic" is a subjective opinion. There is nothing in that statement that is fact, as I think his kit is fine. Toxicity is a matter of perspective, ergo opinion not based in fact. He is also very easy to focus down. If you force his ult it means he can't play recklessly. Ekko is too squish to just run in without ult.

lDontLiftIcarryJun 2, 20152 votes

ofc its my opinion and its subjective. I fucking typed it didnt i? what the fuck lol

ChaoticPineconeJun 2, 20159 votes

well, if you get 2 stacks with his Q, then its quite a lot of burst. it requires some setup (similar-but-not-exactly like Diana's full combo, but more setup than Akali or Kat), but its still burst. its very different from other consistent-damage APCs, like Azir, Cass, or Swain.

ElJanitorFrankJun 2, 20154 votes

His Q itself requires ~2 seconds to get it's damage off, and you can avoid the second proc of it within that 2 seconds.

That is only 1 source of damage from him.

I still fail to see how it's burst.

CZNOuI9LIwJun 2, 20152 votes

I agree,but if Ekko used his E and had Lich Bane and/or Luden's Echo, then his passive would proc. Now, we're seeing some burst albeit a slightly delayed burst with that set up and all.

ChaoticPineconeJun 2, 20158 votes

because once he gets 2 stacks on his q, he can E-auto you for his passive proc. thats 170% AP damage in basically the rotation of 2 spells, plus the auto execute damage if the enemy is under 30% HP. (to put this in persective, Ahri has a 184% AP ratio on her non-ult abilities. Leblanc has 230 if she gets the second chain proc - 180 if she doesnt. Kass has 200.)

even if he gets 1 stack on the Q. then he can proceed to E-auto, auto again (since your slowed from the Q) to proc the passive. that iwould be 110%AP damage.

then he has the execute autoattacks from his W. doing some quick math without calculating magic resist:

if the target has 600 health (level 3) and he gets the proc at 30% HP, his autoattacks do an extra 21 damage. If you imagine the AP you get at level 3 to be around 50, thats about another 40% AP in his rotation.
if the enemy has 1000 health (around level 9 or so), is at 30% HP, and Ekko has 100 AP, its around 42 damage. (still around 40% AP).
lategame if a squishy has 2500 health, 30% HP, and Ekko has 800 AP, its about 340 extra damage (still around 42% AP).

So he gets around 40% AP on his autoattacks on squishy targets under 30% HP. On a target with 4000 HP, it would do 550 damage (around 70% AP if you have 800AP lategame).

his AP ratios are pretty normal - and its not like he has a DoT kit. he has a burst kit with comparable ratios to any other burst assassin.

CarniverousJun 2, 20157 votes

I believe Kayle and Teemo used to have a 40% ratio for AA's way back in the day. and now got about .2

I really don't know what Riot was thinking with 2 slows a stun, a heal and a shield, high mobility, and high burst.

You also really opened my eyes about his ratio. ANd other mages. Anivia apperently has a 200% AP ratio no ult, that's pretty good.

Chicken BotJun 2, 20154 votes

but her early game is pathetic, and drains mana faster than anything else

lDontLiftIcarryJun 2, 20152 votes

her early game is not that bad considering she has a revive passive that scales off your total hp/mana pool. So RoA solves that or even just a catalyst. and R+Q clears waves almost immediately assuming you put 2 points in Q at level 4 for the good base damage wave clear at level 6 (yes putting 2 points in aniv Q at level 4 is a thing that high elo anivia's do occasionally strictly to wave clear post level 6 better)

CarniverousJun 2, 20151 votes

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but her early game is pathetic, and drains mana faster than anything else

Umm, never had a problem with her early game. levels 1-3 are actually really strong for Anivia. Out of all the mages, Anivia has one of the highest attack ranges. She has the second highest. Cait, at 650 no abilities, and Anivia at 600. Because she out ranges many other mages, her AA's are a good source for early control. Levels 1-6, you can get a lot of AA's off, easily. Maybe I only do 30 dmg with AA's, but with 10 of those, that's an easy 300 dmg.

I'm trying to wrap my head around the pathetic early game... But I'm not seeing it. Her basic combo, if you don't even get your second Q tick, is 150% AP, and that means only landing the stun part. Mana hungry, yeah, once you get your ult.

Chicken BotJul 5, 20151 votes

you must be out of your mind, anivia is complete and utter shit pre 6 and just incase the oponent for some ungodly reason cant beat anivia all he has to do is push the lane and anivia will strugle like its hell on earth to farm under the tower

CarniverousJul 6, 20151 votes

Aniva still has a 2.0 AP combo pre 6... And I'm guess you A: Only fight Anivias that are bad, or B: Suck with her like non other.

Her damage is extremely well.
Her AA range out classes all other mages and is only out beat by Caitlyn. So, AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA

She is plenty well off.

ArcheanthusJun 3, 20151 votes

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he doenst need ult. Least not the way his numbers are right now. His ult is for the heal.

And for style points. Rito likes champs that can make plays and do it in style. If they can't do that then they have no love.

EstybJun 2, 201540 votes

Bullshit. He can E to you, point blank Q and with lichbane luden's you're pretty much dead. This champ can fucking 1v5 if he gets ahead at all and it's frankly sad how people abusing him are trying to justify his ridiculousness. He has a high skillcap sure, but he has so many tools in his kit that it's extremely hard to punish his mistakes.

His ult just adds to his ridiculousness by making him stupidly and unnecessarily slippery. Not only does he get a huge heal and what is probably the longest range escape in the game next to Zed ulti, but he is also invulnerable during that that time which just adds to it's ridiculousness. Not to mention it has like no cooldown...

LlaniteJun 2, 20155 votes

By your logic, blitz has ridiculous burst with luden+lb, he'd just w then pointblank q and you are pretty much dead.

kile147Jun 2, 201516 votes

Have you seen blitz build AP? Its hilarious, AP blitz does have very good burst with those items and his good AP ratios + passive make mage builds decent on him, but he has no escape if he fucks up and a lot of his damage is tied into landing his hook, preferably at range since him running at you with W is a fairly telegraphed play. A good AP blitz is pretty awful to play against, but thankfully its unreliability makes it a rare build.

If Ekko has similar burst, but more safety/reliability...

SlytherinUmbreonJun 4, 20152 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SClNolkdgcM

doublelift fgJun 2, 20157 votes

AP blitz has only burst, not stun+dash+hilarous ulti+massive slow+some passives

SexyTaylorSwiftJun 2, 20159 votes

Except for the fact that if Blitz does build AP, he has incredible burst damage. Hell, he even has good damage for a utility support.

If you want to defend Ekko, by all means go for it. Don't, however, talk out of your ass with made up false shit when you do it. That just makes you sound like you work for Fox News.

Celeste BenalJun 2, 20151 votes

Any offensively oriented champ can 1v5 if (s)he gets ahead. Some don't even need to be ahead to just wreck everyone.

SociopathFriendJun 2, 20152 votes

You have to be really ahead to 1v5; even fed Rivens aren't normally that lucky/skilled.

Sythriel DrakenJun 2, 20155 votes

The real reason for Ekko's burst is not item 3285 but item 3100 . I have played ekko many a times and I'm really decent but the moment I get the bane, that's when I see me 3 hit killing people.

The bane does ~300-400 damage on its own, then you add in the 300-400 damage from the E that instantly applies the bane meaning that one move is doing an instant 800+ damage that's all magic damage.

This is not including the two passives.

His AP ratio is not the issue, what's the issue is the AP ratio on item 3100 as he's the only AP assassin that I know of that instantly activates on hit effects from his abilities.

AHeroNamedHawkeJun 2, 201521 votes

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he's the only AP assassin that I know of that instantly activates on hit effects from his abilities.

Fizz ayy

Dr PoroJun 2, 20152 votes

Fizz Q can be dodged now.

allthemuslimsJun 2, 20152 votes

Really? I thought it did damage no matter what at the end of the animation unless you became untergettable or invulnerable

straight4freeJun 2, 20152 votes

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Really? I thought it did damage no matter what at the end of the animation unless you became untergettable or invulnerable

They changed it at some point, it used to be like that but people complained.

R110Jun 3, 20153 votes

V5.2: No longer deals damage if Fizz doesn't enter in contact with the target during the dash.

Source: wiki

VarkreyJun 2, 20151 votes

It's almost like people have entirely forgotten about Viktor's 2k+ Q-AA burst.

Hits harder, is more reliable, gives a shield and a speed boost, plus he can do it from range, following up with an E and bam you're most likely dead. It's probably a good thing Viktor doesn't have a skillshot based AoE slow and stun, or a huge damage AoE ult that can shred entire teams...

Ekko has to land both ticks of his Q, his E, his passive AND his ult to do about 75% the amount of damage. Much less reliable and you have to do half of it in melee range 6 seconds after you jump in... without the 1k+ AP.

VerxintJun 2, 20157 votes

But he can't press a button to undo a mistake and make LC$B1GPL4Y$

RoG VahnJun 2, 20155 votes

hes broken. enough said. hes a burst assassin with 100% safety and disengage.

IronhandJun 2, 20154 votes

Yeah, they screwed up on this one. "Not a burst assassin", yet he can oneshot people faster than a 20/1 Katarina

PixeldrumJun 2, 201511 votes

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he can oneshot people faster than a 20/1 Katarina

yeahhhhhhh... no

PixèlJun 2, 20155 votes

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yeahhhhhhh... no

As a platinum kat main, I can say that ekko has more burst potential and has a far better chance of getting ahead than a kat. His early game is a lot better, allowing him to actually win lane more, and his ultimate lets him position better and tank more damage. In general, his damage is better and can get ahead very easily. I feel like gorgiff is around silver range, his tone of voice sounds like a guy who knows the game

Blind VengeanceJun 2, 20153 votes

But you ward worse than a bronze so that must mean you are bronze material. If you really want to get good at the game play some Draven, his early game burst will rek ur opponents and carry u. Draven

PixèlJun 2, 20153 votes

I guess you're right. Can't argue with that logic!

Blind VengeanceJun 2, 20156 votes

cause ekko can do this

Riv x KobeJun 3, 20154 votes

So. Does anyone know why the hell his ult has no cost?

PledgieJun 3, 20152 votes

Style points? idek this champ is so stupidly broken i dont even know what to think anymore. I'm just gonna go play mario kart until this ekko sh*tstorm passes. G_G