Question for the masses. If you could have Riot do a full visual and game play update for 3 champions, who would they be and why? Let's try to avoid champions we already know are getting updates in the near future.
saltran3 votes
Oleandervine1 votesNunu is confirmed. He's after Akali.
saltran1 votesI know, and I hope that after Nunu the next is Morde.
Oleandervine1 votesOne can hope that he's next. He looks god awful.
Sukishoo2 votesPretty sure it's 
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as their files were found in WAD format when Nunu and Akali were. Plus, it was said one Rioter was working on a smaller VGU and another on a Female VGU. Smaller VGU would fit Morgana as she needs very little work done. Female could be anyone but would work for Kayle as they said those two would be done together.
saltran1 votesTrue, I forgot it. And I'm already hyped since I got Aether Wings Kayle from a chest, I hope she's viable on botlane.
Kaìju1 votesDid Riot say they want six VGU's this year? If we assume the current schedule is as predicted, with Akali, then Nunu, then the sisters, would they be at the end of the season or early next season?
Sukishoo1 votesDid Riot say they want six VGU's this year? If we assume the current schedule is as predicted, with Akali, then Nunu, then the sisters, would they be at the end of the season or early next season?
They were supposed to have 6 this year, though they've since upgraded Aatrox to a VGU so it will more likely be 7 and said to be least 4 new champions as well. So M/K would be near the end of the year.
Kaìju1 votesDid Aatrox get bumped up? I knew they needed new animations and particles but I figured his model would be the same, huh. Also I'm hyped. I love the armored valkyrie theme of Kayle so I can't wait to see how they refine it. Also Aether Wing is gonna be sick, but honestly I'm most looking forward to trying and getting Unmasked, and Judgement is gonna look fucking amazing.
Sukishoo1 votesDid Aatrox get bumped up? I knew they needed new animations and particles but I figured his model would be the same, huh. Also I'm hyped. I love the armored valkyrie theme of Kayle so I can't wait to see how they refine it. Also Aether Wing is gonna be sick, but honestly I'm most looking forward to trying and getting Unmasked, and Judgement is gonna look fucking amazing.
Yeah, they said he'd be getting a new model, animations and splash so he's up there with the rest of em.
Kaìju1 votesCooool
warpenguin5551 votesSwap fiddle with shaco and that's the list of who I think will be getting announced next
DerMangoJoghurt2 votes
I don't think I need to explain why she needs a visual update. From a gameplay perspective I think she doesn't really feel like a sniper. Jhin has a lot of things I think Caitlyn needs; long skillshots, slow attack speed, more tactical traps, etc. So I'm not sure in which direction Riot could take her to still differentiate her from Jhin.
Her visual effects and color palette need some serious work. She is producing a lot of visual noise with almost every ability, and her palette clashes with itself (just look at that shield). I can't really say what bothers me about her gameplay, it just feels weird to me.
Since she isn't a human air mage anymore, but a spirit, I feel like there are a lot of interesting possibilities for a new look. Her gameplay feels pretty linear. Shield your adc, slow whoever approaches you, throw a Q in there and ult if somebody gets too close. Her Q is her only skillshot which leaves little room for counterplay or skill expresssion, other than positioning.
BLIGHTBRINGER2 votes
- His lore changes don't really match him being a mad killer tormenting his foes before closing in on the kill (his Q is the only ability in the game that fits his lore). His kit other than W and R don't feel impactful, E and Q won't be dealing any damage on their own because everyone builds on-hit on him making Q and E only be used for Blight stacks. He is in general one of the weaker of the (2 Darkins 
). Aatrox is going to get teased next week and I can already tell that he's going to be awesome. Varus will be the only Darkin Champion left forgotten.
I would want to get rid of the power from his W and spread it equally across his kit so his abilities actually felt equally impactful as his W is now.
I would like to see a more unique, interesting passive other than an attack speed steroid.
- I don't know where to start with Amumu. His Visuals are really in need of an update on particular, there was an image online that showed someone's visual update for him ( https://us.v-cdn.net/5021068/uploads/editor/zw/6k4o3jrib6vq.png ).
I think his kit is fine the way it is but maybe change his E most of all because it doesn't really add up to the rest of his kit.
Maybe move the damage reducement from physical attacks to his W when it's active.
- He is described to be a Demonic Wraith. What I find weird about Nocturne visually is why he needs blades attached to his hands. When Wraiths commonly use their hands to slash through anything since their hands/fingers are as sharp as blades (example: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lotc-creature-index/images/a/a4/Wraith.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150826225640 ). There is this visual that I saw online that perfectly sums up what Nocturne is supposed to look like ( https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mKgN1 ). All of Nocturne's abilities don't feel unique or interesting, his ult is the only unique ability and it's the only impactful ability he has.
Honeydew Zekling1 votesI totally agree with your comments on Nocturne. He was one of the first champs I picked up years back. I thought he was really cool and loved his ult. In the current state of the game, is Q,W, and E all feel really lack luster. I love that they are giving him some tiny buffs but he really does need an update.
His E takes quite awhile to go off and only really works well with completely isolated champs with low mobility. It works better with his ult and Q but it makes him feel slow and clunky.
His W help's for those 1v1 skirmishes and rewards you with more attack speed if you pull it off. It's not bad but really doesn't feel like it fits Noc. It really feels like a way to allow him to ult successfully without being instantly 100/0'd when he jumps to someone. Would love to see something more nightmare-y/wraith-like.
His Q also makes him feel clunky. It's not that fast moving. It give's you a little more attack damage when you're on it (boring) and allows you to move a little faster to chase enemies (also boring).
His spells feel clunky and all centered around his ult. While his ult is really cool and I love it, I wish his other THREE SPELLS felt more in line with his character. I mean, why doesn't he have invis/camo? I am more scared of a Kha or Rengar jumping out of a bush than I am when I see an enemy Noc ult.
#MakeNocturneScaryAgain
Edit: Just updating champs like and 
not to be "ult then mash your other 3 spells" type of champs would be nice
Lord of Math2 votes
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes[deleted]
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesgladly op says
If you could have Riot do a full visual and game play update for** 3 champions,**
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesI know I missread it my bad.
DerMangoJoghurt1 votesYou have included the ")" in both of your links, just to let you know.
zacktootall1 votes i want to love this guy but i just cant
old but love-able kit but it really needs an update
i feel like he is just a waste of code and waiting for the day riot finds the time to update him
Big Lincoln1 votes
outdated shit champ that fails to be a beginner champion
old and bad, no amount of buffs stop him from disappearing from viability
rework failed, time to replace her
Pandemic Punch1 votesI hate Nocturne's ultimate so much. I wouldn't mind Sejuani being reverted. Garen definitely needs an update of some kind, but I hope his kit keeps it's simplicity if they do.
Jaspers1 votesFor some reason, people always omit from rework discussions. His model is old, gameplay binary and he's never mentioned by Riot as getting one.
While I love him, Heimer could do with something that makes him in anyway a viable pick in pro play. I mean he's he's a good counter to many 'in' choices but he won't ever get picked. Visually he's okay.
Udyr - So luck I got his Ultimate skin in Hextech as his base skin is just sad.
Pandeonor1 votesI chose 4 champs:
[perhaps +Morde]
Changes on this 4 champs were not really successful. We don´t see them in rift. Even interesting special abilities. A bit sad.
BLIGHTBRINGER2 votesBut I like Ivern the way he is :(
He just needs a buff of some kind to make him okay.
Oleandervine1 votesNunu is confirmed. Aatrox's GU has not released yet. Ivern is new, and a very niche champion - he doesn't need a VGU or GU because his kit takes a lot of effort and time to master, so it's understandable that he's not seen often.
Skarner is the only one on your list that needs a VGU that hasn't been confirmed.
Step Sis Lux1 votes
Basiclly 0 counterplay, he needs full rework
Stupid beta champion without any changes
Give me back my old gurl
Kelg1 votes 
JustaNewb1 votes 
Ahristocats1 votes
Oleandervine1 votesI think there's a pretty long list of champions who need VGUs. Here are my picks for the most needed:
All 3 of these guys look atrocious, and their kits, while fun to play for some, are not as streamlined, modernized, or even viable in some cases.
Cho'Gath's entire gimmick is getting so much HP that it doesn't matter that his kit is weird and clunky. Plus he's HIDEOUS, absolutely, irrevocably hideous, and not in the "unknowable HP Lovecraft monster" hideous. He's hideous in the "this looks like a child's drawing that was modeled for the SNES or N64" way. He needs modernization to make him look formidable, and less like a joke.
Fiddlesticks has a mass of random abilities crammed together that somehow work, but his overall cohesion is non-existent. He could definitely use some polishing and some refining, and something to give his kit some uniqueness and synergy. I personally like the part of the passive where he becomes still after a set period (it has GREAT prospects for a VGU, to give him an actual scarecrow look when stationary), but I think the bonuses he gains from moving again could use some boosting and could be altered to fit a new kit.
Mordekaiser is supposed to be an AP bruiser, but requires health to do abilities - something that conflicts deeply with his design as he's got very little in terms of recovery in his kit. Furthermore, I don't think sacrificing HP really makes sense on an demi-lich* like Mordekaiser, since he's a soul in a suit of armor with untold necromantic powers. I think Morde needs to be mana based, and his kit needs more impressive abilities to give us the feeling that he's an actual undead warlord necromancer who steals souls and thirsts for conquest. I think if he gets a VGU, his Q should be the only thing that stays, as it's kinda unique to him, but everything else should go.
*A Demi-lich is a D&D lich who has transcended regular lichdom and has removed their soul from their body, and their spirit now travels about, usually from plane to plane. While their soul is removed from their body, their body decays, leaving behind the skeleton, which typically acts as their phylactery - this is almost exactly what Mordekaiser is.
iPooUnicorns1 votes
Edit: Did not see the only 3 champions part
L Psy Kongroo1 votes
warpenguin5551 votes
I'm not sure how these 3 aren't on the tier 1 list
only zhule1 votesI'm personally hoping for an update to 
. She just feels weird to me. You have a hyper squishy support champion with basically no mobility tools, who's main support tool in the early game is to get within 550 range of an enemy champion and poke them semi-hard. Then her late game she turns into a spam happy mobile shield/heal battery... Who also itemized like a mage due to low base numbers, so she has VERY high AP meaning her poke is now a legitimate harass, but still garbage for wave clear or actually fighting ANYONE.
HalcyonDweller1 votes
Because now that Riot has better tech and coding under the hood, they could do so much more to deliver on his theme and make him more fun both to play as and to play against. Point and click doesn't give opponents enough counterplay, and he straddles the diver and assassin roles in a way that he can't quite succeed as either unless he's fed and has item advantages.
Because trap-minefields under turret are downright horrible to play against.
Because instead of dealing burst damage she should be more of a sustained fighter. I'd rather her ultimate have more range and deal less damage but make her tankier somehow rather than have it stay the way it is right now. Having counterplay doesn't change how anti-fun it is to get 5-man ulted by her when you do screw up that counterplay.
Edit: wow nobody mentioned Yasuo yet. I guess that meme is dead and people have just given up.
Kídá1 votesMy boy 
needs help to go back to mid lane. If Riot wants him to be a support as well, then make it so he offers something other than just damage when played ass a support
Colton1471 votes 
