With tanks dominating in lcs, i hope this will stop the myth that tanks "got nerfed and are weak"

Rexxiee·Jul 22, 2017·34 votes·1,624 views

Most of them actually need nerfs atm, and the items, , and all need to get hammered asap, maokai/sej/zac are all still ridic in the jungle (j4 for top), rammus/cho have absurd win rates in solo q, even singed is doing good now even though hes not exactly a tank (can be built as one though and in fact its still his best build because tank items are strong while ap bruiser items like rylais have seen too many nerfs), not even mentioning how strong tank supports are atm (thresh being one of the most op champs in the last few patches).

Basically tanks are the top role in 3 out of 5 positions in the map...But hey ppl dont play malphite too much so tanks are horribly weak right?

70 Comments

EschetonJul 22, 201723 votes

So you are saying that the top Teamfighting Tanks, using teamfight items, with teamfight actives, while on voicechat with their entire team that they have played with hundreds of times are strong? Gee wizz.

If everyone is on point to move as one and commit to a teamfight when the Tank pops their actives and commits, they are strong. Given that is the only time Tanks are tanky these days. Bursts of Tankyness.

Solo queue? Not so much.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 22, 20176 votes

I find it incredibly poor to make a thread "tanks are dominating NOW". Like tanks have always been picked in LCS lul. In fact many toplaners complained they are only allowed to play tanks instead of carry champs. Hardly as a tank you will get towerdived 5 times in a row so the enemy riven just roflstomps you like in soloQ without your team getting any advantage out of it. People just need to fucking stop comparing soloQ and proplay.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 22, 20172 votes

his main point still stand.

tanks "got nerfed and are weak"

isn't even near of true.

RalanrJul 22, 20173 votes

The reworks did nerf their items, but they've been compensated by now.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 22, 20171 votes

no... its not only compensated now. If u remember well they nerfed hp and gave more armor. But next they added many hp. Tank are stronger than their old form.

RalanrJul 22, 20172 votes

They added HP to Omen and thornmail. That's it as far as I can tell.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 22, 20172 votes

Yeah and u can add their new tools item 3194 item 3001 .

Tank are stronger than pre tank update.

RalanrJul 23, 20172 votes

Mask is basically scepter with health and mana.

And adaptive is only good against people like cass.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 23, 20171 votes

u right, but remember :

Mask is better for tank now than his old version
u had no option against cassio before this item.

RalanrJul 23, 20172 votes

Yeah it gave tanks more variety in itemization.

KGDisastaJul 25, 20171 votes

They also removed/changed several defensive items into AD/AP specific items. Like GA.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 22, 201720 votes

You are a very brave man to suggest that tanks aren't weak enough to die to a minion with a feather, because this places is the biggest anti-damage/anti-ADC circlejerk I've ever seen. Unfortunately you will be downvoted to the depths of hell (you already were when I came around)

DisembarkJul 22, 20171 votes

Because most of the boards is mid/top mains.

commit an heroJul 22, 201710 votes

No, tanks would be shit without this itemization that we have. If you've noticed a lot of the time they'll pick up support items. Aka locket knights vow, ect. Only reason stoneplate is picked up is for its interaction with locket. Tanks are in a good spot because of items and their usefulness to give ADCs either shields or %DR.

KaRniVooL13Jul 22, 20176 votes

I just want to know what tank(s) are dominating the lcs

ModWulf HelhammerJul 22, 20174 votes

Gragas, Galio, Braum, Sej has started showing up, Thresh, top lane divers still mostly build tanky, Maokai is starting to show up again, Rek'Sai. There's plenty of them

KaRniVooL13Jul 22, 20175 votes

Gargas has always been a jungle pick nothing new. Galio is use as a counter pick in certain situations, braum or tank/ defensive supports always viable, thresh is always meta. Rek sai is considered a tank? I know in pro play he is built tank. And as far as maokai he has 4 cc abilities great engage/ disengage grest team fight. Thats not going to change. Sej would be the out norm pick in lcs so we have 4 champs that were always picked outside a few meta/ patches . A support who comes n goes based on meta bot lane n Sej who was bad n trash for ever.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 22, 20174 votes

"Sej is bad and trash for forever"

What.

AirKingNeoJul 22, 20171 votes

J4 technically with Stoneplate, but he's not a true tank.

Not sure where Renekton falls in the "builds Stoneplate or not?"

LethalTempo JhinJul 22, 20172 votes

Cinderhulk junglers
Tank tops are coming back because of flex picks ( ) +
Melee supports

I am sure I am forgotting someone else, but you get the idea.

PunisherJBYJul 22, 20171 votes

Don't forget Galio is still a flex pick to mid :D. He is surprisingly good as a midlaner in my solo queue games.

KaRniVooL13Jul 22, 20171 votes

this isnt about solo QUEUE the POST is how tanks are dominating LCS

PunisherJBYJul 22, 20171 votes

Yes im aware. And Galio is a MID FLEX PICK IN LCS AS WELL. I'm simply commenting on how its also good in solo queue.

KaRniVooL13Jul 22, 20171 votes

Galio Middle has a win rate 47.09% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Galio's are earning a win rate of 55.02% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Galio at 49 amongst Middle champions earning a tier grade of Silver.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Galio, the win rate and average rank of the best Galio players.

Galio Top has a win rate 46.11% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Galio's are earning a win rate of 55.02% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Galio at 62 amongst Top champions earning a tier grade of Silver.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Galio, the win rate and average rank of the best Galio players.

Galio Support has a win rate 44.44% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Galio's are earning a win rate of 55.02% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Galio at 33 amongst Support champions earning a tier grade of Silver.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Galio, the win rate and average rank of the best Galio players.

Galio Jungle has a win rate 43.87% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Galio's are earning a win rate of 55.02% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.

LoLalytics ranks Galio at 45 amongst Jungle champions earning a tier grade of Silver.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Galio, the win rate and average rank of the best Galio players.

so based on all 4 roles galio can be picked and played in solo queue he has a sub 50% win rate in all of them and ranks the best out of a singular role at support being 33rd over all in that role

as far as mid he is 49th best champ, top he is 62nd best, and jungle he is 45th best.

galio is better in pro play with coordinated teams due to his ult and how it interacts with in a team in solo queue he isnt a strong champ based on the fact that solo queue games are a clown fiesta when it comes to coordination with teams

which once again means he is best suited as a counter pick in certain situations then a go to staple of a pick

PunisherJBYJul 22, 20171 votes

I have no idea why you felt the need to do all of this. I was simply stating that he is playable in midlane. I'm not saying he is S tier in solo queue, or even in pro play, just that one can play him there and it not do bad if you play well.

KaRniVooL13Jul 22, 20171 votes

it proves he isnt GOOD he is subpar

therefore your opinion that he is isnt fact... these are facts...

downvoting me dont make me wrong... so continue to do so if you wish...

the fact is galio at best is a b teir champ

GayFluffyUnicornJul 22, 20176 votes

He counts jarvan as a tank. So much about what he knows about this game.

MelledoneusJul 22, 20175 votes

Instead of lowering the power of ADCs, they just raised the standard by making tanks even stronger.

And it sucks because we're nearing DoTA levels of "everyone is broken."

EschetonJul 22, 20174 votes

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Instead of lowering the power of ADCs, they just raised the standard by making tanks even stronger.

And it sucks because we're nearing DoTA levels of "everyone is broken."

Juggernaut patch. Never should have happened. Nor the slippery slope following it.

Big LincolnJul 22, 20173 votes

wrong

EschetonJul 22, 20171 votes

Elaborate

Big LincolnJul 22, 20171 votes

rework darius is gold

AhristocatsJul 22, 20171 votes

and morde just got to d2 from d4 with adc morde, will get back to master with it

thanks certainlyt

Big LincolnJul 22, 20171 votes

different strokes for different folks

AhristocatsJul 22, 20173 votes

we're nowhere near dota level where everyone does a specific thing

what they did however is trying to buff everyone to have more diversity in lcs and it worked , the only way you have a good balance around pro is by buffing just like they do it in dota

AirKingNeoJul 22, 20171 votes

Proplay still has a huge fucking problem right now with triple permaban red side, which is unfathomable why this isn't a huge balance concern. NA, in both CS and LCS, is 11-0 for blue side as of Friday. Redside is forced into 3 bans play Blue side gets to do a super leash.

How is this not a huge concern for balance that blue side has a massive upswing because 3 champions are horrifically overpowered? How do they not see this as ruining the competitive value and integrity of pro play?

AhristocatsJul 22, 20171 votes

it has always been like this, red side always had 3 bans if you give both team 5 bans, then diversity will be reduced as this ban style plays a lot into new bans/new picks

AirKingNeoJul 22, 20171 votes

Any time in proplay Redside has three "must ban or lose" champions, you know balance is in the shitter.

Big LincolnJul 22, 20174 votes

idk seems like a waste of time to post this stuff here

AwesomeGuyDjJul 22, 20172 votes

Holy shit. Tanks are gud again? Can i finally go back to mah boy bramble maokai? I really need to follow lcs more.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 22, 20172 votes

Maokai is actually really really strong but barely anyone picks him up. And i don't know why. His sustain is crazy and his dmg is definitely on the higher end like gragas damage.

AwesomeGuyDjJul 22, 20171 votes

I got him to lvl 4 when i picked him up after the rework, then stopped playing him because his laning phase was the worst possible thing in existence.

Colton147Jul 22, 20172 votes

People wanted a tank meta... But are now complaining about it.

Hypocrisy at its finest. ;)

Pandemic PunchJul 22, 20174 votes

You must have a powerful psychic brain to be able to track everyone on the forums and know that it is the same people complaining rather than completely different people.

Colton147Jul 22, 20171 votes

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You must have a powerful psychic brain to be able to track everyone on the forums and know that it is the same people complaining rather than completely different people.

I remember awhile ago that people did ask for a tank meta - it was a fairly common thread.

Perhaps it could be the same people... Or perhaps it isn't. :)

GayFluffyUnicornJul 22, 20172 votes

Tank meta? Where? In my games i hardly see any tanks in dia 3+. Except the broken ones (hi zac and cho). But what i see are divers like jarvan with support/tankish items. Idc what happens in LCS, i don't play LCS and i wouldn't even if i could.

Colton147Jul 22, 20172 votes

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Tank meta? Where? In my games i hardly see any tanks in dia 3+. Except the broken ones (hi zac and cho). But what i see are divers like jarvan with support/tankish items. Idc what happens in LCS, i don't play LCS and i wouldn't even if i could.

I tend to see a lot of tanks in my games.

Not sure if you'd like to count Juggernauts as well though (I tend to count them due to their tankiness. XD). :)

RalanrJul 22, 20172 votes

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I tend to see a lot of tanks in my games.

Not sure if you'd like to count Juggernauts as well though (I tend to count them due to their tankiness. XD). :)

Yeah that makes it hard to take you seriously because juggernauts are not tanks.