I find it incredible that no one complains about gragas.

Eyesack··5 votes·1,198 views

This champion pretty much has everything you could want in a tank. He has sustain via his passive. Ranged poke, aoe damage, aoe slow on his q. He has aoe damage and damage reduction on his w, his e gives him a gap closer dash with aoe cc and damage that also can be used to escape over walls. And a ranged ult that can be used to disperse enemies allowing it to be used as an insec initation or a disengage and it also does lots of damage. His kit just seems broken to me because it does EVERYTHING a tank could ever want to do, all in one kit. He doesn't have a niche, he is just the BEST tank overall and I'm seeing him every single game so i truly believe that.

I thought i was exaggerating when i saw so many gragas in my games, i went on na.op.gg to check out play rates for champions. Gragas is the sixth most played champion in diamond, the third most picked champion in master and the second most picked champion in challenger. As your elo goes up the more he is picked. I wonder why.

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LadyRenly3 votes

tank ekko is cancer, let's gang up on that smug d-bag

gragas though? he's perfectly okay.

People often forget what things are like when Gragas is considered a strong pick, which he is right now. Whether he is ap tank or sunfire iceborn tank, he's really strong right now. And it is not fun in any way, unless you are playing him

Marshbouy2 votes

all of it has outplayablity sooooooooooo

Eyesack1 votes

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all of it has outplayablity sooooooooooo

you can outplay his e flash ulti? Well, if your quicksilver sash is off cooldown, i guess so.

Marshbouy1 votes

NOTE: he used his flash and ult. almost anyone who flashes and ults has no outplayability in the moment Aatrox Akali Alistar Amumu Ryze Rengar Sion MasterYi

MrLlamaWaffle2 votes

he's balanced. Move along everyone

Eyesack1 votes

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he's balanced. Move along everyone

i just want an explanation as to why you think he's balanced. Would a balanced champion really be such a priority pick in master/challenger?

MrLlamaWaffle2 votes

Why do people like to exaggerate?

He's fine. He's a great pick if the top tier is banned out.

Top lane Maokai, Ekko, Trundle, GP all take priority over gragas in most cases, unless you're an exceptional Gragas player or just want to play him for the hell of it. Is he good? yes. He does his job well. That doesn't make him overpowered. There's this growing trend among players that if a champion is effective that they're too good at something. He's a reliable, safe tank. Balance doesn't exist in a vacuum, it is relative. If gragas is overpowered, he is overpowered compared to what? Most of the time it's just a case of too many champions being terrible. Gragas is middle of the pack, better than A LOT of tradtional top laners and worse than the "trinity" and not a priority over the top picks atm.

Eyesack1 votes

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Why do people like to exaggerate?

He's fine. He's a great pick if the top tier is banned out.

Top lane Maokai, Ekko, Trundle, GP all take priority over gragas in most cases, unless you're an exceptional Gragas player or just want to play him for the hell of it. Is he good? yes. He does his job well. That doesn't make him overpowered. There's this growing trend among players that if a champion is effective that they're too good at something. He's a reliable, safe tank. Balance doesn't exist in a vacuum, it is relative. If gragas is overpowered, he is overpowered compared to what? Most of the time it's just a case of too many champions being terrible. Gragas is middle of the pack, better than A LOT of tradtional top laners and worse than the "trinity" and not a priority over the top picks atm.

I'm not really exaggerating. Statistics don't lie. I'm not gonna point a blind eye to the issue. I'm starting to see gragas every game and frankly its annoying. Unless of course you think seeing the same 20 champions over and over again isn't an issue, and the game is 'perfectly balanced'. If that's the case carry on believing what you want.

RogueWill1 votes

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i just want an explanation as to why you think he's balanced. Would a balanced champion really be such a priority pick in master/challenger?

His balance doesn't come form his kit but from his role. His jungler clears are really slow though out the entire game (they don't get much better with levels) so he is easily outjungled.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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he's balanced. Move along everyone

He's one of the most-used and well-regarded champions in the highest level of play.

Based on what is Gragas balanced?

Gragas' win rate on champ.gg is mediocre purely because his playerbase is among the least experienced at using him, and because Gragas actually has a pretty high skill cap for a tank.

MrLlamaWaffle2 votes

And?

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Huh? How do you know his playerbase is among the least experienced? makes no sense.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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And?

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Huh? How do you know his playerbase is among the least experienced? makes no sense.

http://champion.gg/champion/Gragas/Jungle

Playerbase average games played. On average, Gragas players are some of the least experienced with the champ in the game.

Also, Gragas isn't considered top tier due to his top lane play, where he is indeed merely decent. It's his jungle play.

MrLlamaWaffle1 votes

Okay, how does that prove that he needs toning down? lol I never made the winrate argument, of which is a terrible argument for balance to begin with for the very reason you're bringing up now.

Kindred, Graves, Nidalee, Elise Ekko all take priority over gragas. I main support, so rarely ill do my secondary role of jungling, but when I do i gravitate towards the more reliable and solid picks rather than the snowbally, flashy picks like the champs mentioned above. Gragas is a champ I'll often pick because he's safe, decent clears, decent ganks, just an all around solid pick, ill sometimes pick Naut for the same reason though that's more preference.

The same argument i made for him in the top lane can be made for the jungle. He is better than A LOT of bad junglers right now, but not good enough to be picked over the top 5, it puts him somewhere in the middle as a semi-niche pick. Right where most champs should be.

Eyesack1 votes

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Okay, how does that prove that he needs toning down? lol I never made the winrate argument, of which is a terrible argument for balance to begin with for the very reason you're bringing up now.

Kindred, Graves, Nidalee, Elise Ekko all take priority over gragas. I main support, so rarely ill do my secondary role of jungling, but when I do i gravitate towards the more reliable and solid picks rather than the snowbally, flashy picks like the champs mentioned above. Gragas is a champ I'll often pick because he's safe, decent clears, decent ganks, just an all around solid pick, ill sometimes pick Naut for the same reason though that's more preference.

The same argument i made for him in the top lane can be made for the jungle. He is better than A LOT of bad junglers right now, but not good enough to be picked over the top 5, it puts him somewhere in the middle as a semi-niche pick. Right where most champs should be.

if its true that those champions take priority over gragas, why aren't they picked as much as he is in challenger/master? Nidalee and kindred get banned alot but the rest are on par with gragas in terms of ban rate. So please, explain why gragas is the most picked jungler if he isn't a priority pick. Also i never stated anything about whether or not he needs changes, i simply asked why no one complains about this champion, even though people constantly pick on lee for having a high pick rate.

Jaygo412 votes

He's got Engage, Disengage, Ranged poke, Damage reduction, Mobility, Max health damage

BUT people complain when lee vi and rek sai are meta compared to this monstrosity

WalkingInACircle2 votes

One time I had to lane against a Zed, and we had a Gragas. And he camped the Zed.

It was... beautiful.

(Yes he's overpowered)

PentaJuke1 votes

Wow i just had a Jhin last match question how Gragas does so much damage, no lie but when i see Gragas hes literally no menace to me, well I do main Leblanc. Honestly I dont like it when i see them build full ap, I like it when they have 1 or 2 tank items. At full build he 3 shots like LeBlanc pretty much. BUt I kill him with little to no effort depending if he knows how to deal with her, I feel sorry for that jhinn though lol.

paisy1 votes

He's super annoying

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