Attention all Yi mains: Return to your dumpsters, we've been out for far too long.

PiVoRx·Apr 19, 2016·5 votes·3,117 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/04/419-pbe-update.html Yi double nerf and now devourer removed, good bye master.

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RiotRiot ThEntropistApr 19, 201616 votes

That may be a bit over dramatic. I playtested these changes quite a bit and while they are deserved I do not feel that they gut the chmapion.

He also uses bloodrazor extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him still be strong.

ZephyrDrakeApr 19, 20161 votes

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That me be a bit over dramatic. I playtested these changes quite a bit and while they are deserved I do not feel that they gut the chmapion.

He also uses bloodrazor extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him still be strong.

oh wow a rioter telling us that a champion won't be gutted or affected much by the changes... i guess that means everything is well... guess that means i can grow wings at will and shot lasers from my eyes [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Sniper 0Apr 19, 20161 votes

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/b6df35ba-6aed-4c28-9536-5325a38eee3e It's a clip from Home, totally appropriate for what you just said.

ZephyrDrakeApr 19, 20161 votes

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https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/b6df35ba-6aed-4c28-9536-5325a38eee3e It's a clip from Home, totally appropriate for what you just said.

yes because every single time a Rioter has come and said pretty the exact same thing "the champion won't be gutted/will be fine" and then comes said date and the champion is indeed gutted and stupidly weak and then nothing is heard from Riot again until they have no choice but to address the outcry of people enraged at them for gutting the champion

46104328_DELApr 20, 20161 votes

The Zaibatsu say it best: It's fine... It's totally fine..

paisyApr 19, 20161 votes

Does the new jg item stack with Bork?

Ship 0F DucksApr 19, 20161 votes

i only have ONE request. can you please fix the Auto attack reset when his passive ends before 4th strike is made, it makes you miss cs in lane alot early game.

WinBoatApr 19, 20162 votes

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That may be a bit over dramatic. I playtested these changes quite a bit and while they are deserved I do not feel that they gut the chmapion.

He also uses bloodrazor extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him still be strong.

Honestly, the nerfs are good, and all, but you need to really hit him and just take away the duration for the kills and assists he gets when he has his ult up. His ult does not need to keep going. It should last 7 seconds, or whatever, not last forever until the whole other team is aced.

So until you do that, he's gonna remain cancer, and the CD nerf doesn't hit him much, he still has a low CD on his ult, so essentially it's going to be up anyways for him although it was a cute try, but a lazy one.

At this point, I'll settle for any nerfs, so at least we got something, now can we get a meaningful Zed gut and destroy that monster like Q damage he has?

Also tune Nasus's slow to a less extent that you can still get away cause when he abuses iceborn and spirit visage, it then becomes a perma slow cause he will point and click again on you to keep you slowed and the slow itself is like a 90% slow which is way too much for a perma slow.

RiotRiot ThEntropistApr 19, 20165 votes

Your proposed change would indeed gut the champion. Not a fan.

Also I worked on the previous Zed changes as well. Here is a link to the chain that I had regarding why we nerfed what we did and didn't nerf what we didn't(Q).

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/NjddhxGg-patch-chat-67-playtesting-101?comment=0004000000000001

WinBoatApr 19, 20162 votes

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Your proposed change would indeed gut the champion. Not a fan.

Also I worked on the previous Zed changes as well. Here is a link to the chain that I had regarding why we nerfed what we did and didn't nerf what we didn't(Q).

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/NjddhxGg-patch-chat-67-playtesting-101?comment=0004000000000001

One last thing, are you guys gonna look at Zilean? I think his ult has an extremely low CD for what it is.

He can put out decent damage, speed things up, but the ult seems to be extremely low.

46104328_DELApr 20, 20162 votes

Didn't you guys say that about Skarner post Juggernaut? Noooot filling me with confidence. Does Riot want a list of all my champs so they can go down the list and ruin them one by one?

AlwaysByMySideApr 19, 20162 votes

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Honestly, the nerfs are good, and all, but you need to really hit him and just take away the duration for the kills and assists he gets when he has his ult up. His ult does not need to keep going. It should last 7 seconds, or whatever, not last forever until the whole other team is aced.

So until you do that, he's gonna remain cancer, and the CD nerf doesn't hit him much, he still has a low CD on his ult, so essentially it's going to be up anyways for him although it was a cute try, but a lazy one.

At this point, I'll settle for any nerfs, so at least we got something, now can we get a meaningful Zed gut and destroy that monster like Q damage he has?

Also tune Nasus's slow to a less extent that you can still get away cause when he abuses iceborn and spirit visage, it then becomes a perma slow cause he will point and click again on you to keep you slowed and the slow itself is like a 90% slow which is way too much for a perma slow.

Yi doesn't need any more nerfs, Zed doesn't need any more nerfs, and the notion that Nasus needs nerfs right now is laughable.

Stop blaming the champions for your own inability to deal with them.

KoboldApr 20, 20161 votes

I can see your reasoning for wanting YI nerfs as he is an Auto attack based champion so he should have more gated use on his ultimate, In the same breath though he only has 2 primary use abilities for offensive combat (his Q and ultimate, E is a steroid ability) so having it be low cd makes sense. His problem was mainly Devourer and being able to utilize the item and build almost entirely tank after (a problem with all on hit AD based champions that use the item (Jax, Irelia, Xin, etc). Im not sure how the change to the ATK SPD Jungle item will effect him but it may not fix the issue while the effect of the item has been moved to Guinsoo's Rageblade.

On Zed its more a problem of his design where he is required to have massive damage on his Q else (as another rioter stated) he would just max E and have no counterplay as his Q is atleast mildly dodgable. So its a design issue which should be looked at by the champion design team as to determine if frontloading all damage on a wave clear and damage ability should exist on an assassin.

As for Nasus its a issue but more a minor one in comparison to most other champion problems, while it is frustrating its effectiveness is heavily reduced by tenacity, The permaslow may be a bit much and could be fixed by making it cdr resistant by reducing the abilities cdr ratio by a % thus keeping it roughly the same cd overall but preventing perma slow.

WinBoatApr 20, 20161 votes

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I can see your reasoning for wanting YI nerfs as he is an Auto attack based champion so he should have more gated use on his ultimate, In the same breath though he only has 2 primary use abilities for offensive combat (his Q and ultimate, E is a steroid ability) so having it be low cd makes sense. His problem was mainly Devourer and being able to utilize the item and build almost entirely tank after (a problem with all on hit AD based champions that use the item (Jax, Irelia, Xin, etc). Im not sure how the change to the ATK SPD Jungle item will effect him but it may not fix the issue while the effect of the item has been moved to Guinsoo's Rageblade.

On Zed its more a problem of his design where he is required to have massive damage on his Q else (as another rioter stated) he would just max E and have no counterplay as his Q is atleast mildly dodgable. So its a design issue which should be looked at by the champion design team as to determine if frontloading all damage on a wave clear and damage ability should exist on an assassin.

As for Nasus its a issue but more a minor one in comparison to most other champion problems, while it is frustrating its effectiveness is heavily reduced by tenacity, The permaslow may be a bit much and could be fixed by making it cdr resistant by reducing the abilities cdr ratio by a % thus keeping it roughly the same cd overall but preventing perma slow.

Now you actually make sense and get the idea that Nasus is strong when he abuses two items. Yes it's the items, just like with Yi, Ekko, EZ, and anyone else, but you can always tune his slow since this is his main items which give him enough CDR to keep you perma slowed.

I also later suggested Zilean's ult needs a longer CD. It's too short for what it actually is.

Anyhow as for Yi, he's always going to be a problem. Devourer getting removed is not going to phase him. He will now basically have a new enchantment which is a twin sibling of Blade Of The Ruined Kind (BORK) which has always been one of his main items, especially if he was laning, it's pretty much the first or second item he gets, and now he's going to have it as an jungle enchantment. That's extremely going to be annoying, also when Kindred abuses it, but going back to Yi, the only positive change from the nerfs which is awesome is they took the 10 second duration and made it a 7 second duration (if he doesn't get a kill or an assist that is). The reason this is so good is now he can't just ult in a bush and come flying through the river like superman and still have his ult up. He's now going to have to pop his ult when he is more near you where he can be seen. If he now pops it in the river, the ult can pretty much wear off by a second after he reaches you which is pretty good.

Other than that, he's still going to be strong.

disregardableApr 19, 20161 votes

You guys also called the 5.15 Teemo nerfs a buff. It could be overdramatic, but it could also be that you're gutting the champion.

Vhan8765Apr 19, 20161 votes

I'm just here to question if it ever gets annoying to comment knowing you'll get blown up with replies? :3

AlwaysByMySideApr 19, 20161 votes

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That may be a bit over dramatic. I playtested these changes quite a bit and while they are deserved I do not feel that they gut the chmapion.

He also uses bloodrazor extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him still be strong.

I'm not willing to try to predict on how badly Yi will be affected by the changes, but if he does get unexpectedly gutted will he be fixed, or will he be left in his trash state like Fiora currently is?

The Yetii RiderApr 19, 20161 votes

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That may be a bit over dramatic. I playtested these changes quite a bit and while they are deserved I do not feel that they gut the chmapion.

He also uses bloodrazor extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him still be strong.

Bloodrazor doesn't give him tank or lifesteal to let him live long enough to actually make use of the sustained damage.

How is he even living through the first wave of damage in a team fight?

clement1213Apr 20, 20161 votes

RIP Master Yi Quadra-nerf

Nerf E
Nerf R
No more devourer
Rageblade needs 6 stacks and 50AP?? Rework Master Yi pls

PiVoRxApr 20, 20161 votes

What you fail to realise is that Yi has 0 use outside of gold elo and how insanely difficult is to play him as effecient as forever meta junglers in diamon (lee, elise, rengar) with this kit of his that has nothing beside damage.

Also wtf is that reason to R nerf: "We’re tuning Yeezy’s all-in window to reward using Highlander at the right time, rather than ‘whenever.’" I can point you at least 5 current meta junglers that use their ults "whenever", like Lee for example, has 0 downside of using his R in the wrong or ineffecient way.

PeanutButterFanApr 20, 20161 votes

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That may be a bit over dramatic. I playtested these changes quite a bit and while they are deserved I do not feel that they gut the chmapion.

He also uses bloodrazor extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him still be strong.

Chmapion xD I caught a Riot grammar error!