I feel like match making decides its time for you to lose by putting noobs on your team.....

xxxMadLionxxx··64 votes·2,808 views

My last game I watched Garen build item 3065 against Illaoi .

That says it all. It means, no matter how well I play, this Garen doesn't know what he is doing and will likely feed and contribute nothing. I would have to get super fed to be able to turn this shiit around.

A good thing I don't play ranked......

65 Comments

Bisaknosp22 votes

i get so many people who brag about being stoned and feed the whole game . pathetic

Pommel Knight11 votes

I wish there was a report option for playing while on drugs or intoxicated.

Spice POWAH1 votes

I think there's an "Other" section, just let tmhem know in the box what happened.

drakuIa4211 votes

i dont really think riot is gonna punish someone for being high.

Spice POWAH2 votes

they should if they ranked while high/drunk

Bisaknosp5 votes

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I wish there was a report option for playing while on drugs or intoxicated.

i feel you bud

ok ill fed then1 votes

I've played while high without feeding/doing worse than avg. You just got shitty team mates.

I Q1 votes

Normally being high/drunk makes everything you do, the extreme. You either be really fed or really behind.

Spoofghoul3 votes

or both

Garen hey look im 20/20

SuddenAntagonist1 votes

{quoted}

or both

Garen hey look im 20/20

That's me in most games. I may have died 15-20 times, but I took at least 1 guy with me every time.

Xandraelle1 votes

Then you fed someone and made that champ really hard for your teammates to deal with.

SuddenAntagonist1 votes

Eh, most of it comes into play during the late game when everyone is basically already full build. If you can't come back from an assassin or fighter (basically the only 2 things I play) nuking the ad/ap carry or trading for another fighter, then we were never going to win anyway. Even is even, just depends on who's missing from that even.

awdaf19 votes

Riot has admitted that they intentionally match you with worse people to even out your win rate, it's on another thread somewhere

nice table3 votes

Well i will just post the source on this thread also since people didn't seem to believe me and probably wont believe you either.

http://forums.eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=803950

Baron of Bread2 votes

I'll just post what the Rioter (Riot Moonleaf) actually said since it wasn't that they intentionally match you with worse players after a win streak. Copied straight from the link with minor formatting changes for clarity.

Win a lot -> MMR climbs -> more people have less MMR than you and less people have more MMR than you -> chance where you are predicted to be the strongest player in the team increases

Stats here (http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats/eune)

And on page 3

Quote: Harima Last winning streak i had, long ago, after winning 5 in a row i got matched with the most ridiculous (yeah i was going to say re..ed) team

Statistically speaking, there is more or less a 20% chance that you have the most MMR (or tied for it) in your team. Additionally, if you're the worst player in the server there is a 0% chance you're the best in your team, and if you're the best player in the server there's a 100% chance you're the best in the team. Does that make sense in cold, hard numbers?

Quote: betsoni bcs teams are matched against each other based on AVERAGE MMR and if u have higher mmr then rest of your team the enemy team gonna have better mmr then 4 other members of your team ( bcs they won't get sb like u with higher mmr then the other 4 but they all will probably be around same mmr ) so they gonna win all the other lane and this translate into no matter what u do u can't win the game

why riot do this ?

This is possible, but doesn't always happen. The matchmaking system is first trying to find 10 players with very similar MMR and number of wins. As seconds pass and it doesn't find 10 players fitting those restrictions, it will be less strict and broaden its search in order to find a game for you instead of having to wait for someone of your MMR to log in. If it's forced to team up players with different MMR, it will try its best to balance the two teams out.

Quote: Enjutsu Btw what those stats are supposed to mean for your post? all it shows is player distribution among the leagues.

In EUNE, if you're Silver 5 you are better than 20.76% of the server. If you're Plat 5, you are better than 89.59% of the server, and if you're Challenger you're better than 99.98% of the server. Of course, a Challenger won't be matched with Bronze, but I'm trying to give you a perspective that as you climb up, there are less and less players that are better than you and can 'carry' you.

Quote: bÃ*nkai And why can't we always play with people who are at our MMR? Games are way too one sided, they have almost always been, it's not enjoyable, you are either 16-2 at 15 minutes or 2-16 (team scores).

Because MMR is only a prediction of how someone will play. Someone who underperforms could have had a bad day or playing a champion/position he's not used to or be sleepy or on tilt. MMR can't predict human behaviour, only use past behaviour to make an educated guess.

Hope these help add more context on what I'm talking about. Of course, I'm not in the Leagues team, I'm just providing context on matchmaking statistics and formulas the way I understand them.

EDIT: I'll just drop this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy) here. Discuss.

So people don't have to bother with the link (which they still can to check my transplant). Hopefully I made the formatting make sense, since it doesn't copy over too well.

Chaos6897 votes

When you win a few games by PLAYING WELL, Riot, instead of "huh let's put him in a better category with better players on both teams" goes "Huh let's give him some inters and tilters and AfK rivenmains because YAYYYY league of legends"

dominusx12 votes

it does. one game i get a couple of diamond onetricks then i get a tilted pile of shit challenger who int feeds and spamms huh diamond players when he is 4lvls behind.

ShaolinToilet5 votes

http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dominusx is that your profile because it says you're unranked.

Keitron1 votes

Lol i didnt see your post and i did the same thing, diamonds against challengers lul.

ShaolinToilet4 votes

Yeah I see this guy posting all the time about diamond games but his account isn't diamond so idk

Pentium21 votes

Lieing about your personal rank?

Just boards things

At least he is not using a level 8 account while posting bullshit, like a lot of people do to hide their bronze asses, when they talk about balance matters haha.

He was plat 5 last season tho.

greekvandaL1 votes

i was also d5 and d4 last season xd praise the tilt lord

dominusx1 votes

permabanned. lemme see if i my main acc is unbanned on the NA server(boards) and imma answer from this becuz its banned on the eu boards ever since Ekko release cause i spammed nerf ekko posts XDDD. lemme see. brb

greekvandaL1 votes

hi myself.

greekvandaL1 votes

here i am i guess i cna post on these boards check me up idc. dont need to lie about rank it's not like i'm saying im master i'm in shitty diamond elo.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Matchmaking in higher elo atleast in NA is kinda screwed right now. The other day i was watching quas and he legit played with plat 5/1 and dia 1/4 against plats and mid/low diamonds. He was challenger 1k lp at that point.

dominusx1 votes

i only post from this one for 3 reasons. -more people know me as dominus on the boards.

  • i LOVE THE FKN GP ICON and i dont have it on my other accounts -too bored to switch profiles so i just leave this saved.
swordofsun3 votes

...you get matched with people of similar MMR.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

If only

rtbf761092713 votes

I played with a teemo top who built dead mans plate which has melee only passives. In his defense he did fine in the game.

Makes me feel really bad that i am in the same games as these people. They're clearly retarded. Am i retarded? I dont feel retarded

Hibeki3 votes

I build dead mans on Veigar, you build it for the movement speed and stats lmao

rtbf761092711 votes

Are you saying this like "haha i do it too" or "that's actually a viable thing to build"

If you build any item with a ranged/melee only passive and you don't get that passive you would be better off with other items which you get the full value from

Unpaladin1 votes

Oh no not the 50 damage, what a shame

rtbf761092711 votes

it's 100 damage and a 50% slow if you have max stacks.

You are paying for that in the cost of the item. The wiki page says it is 105% gold efficient at max stacks. So if you want to throw gold in the garbage and buy something like 80% - 90% gold efficient for a ranged champ go ahead, but I won't

Unpaladin1 votes

It's 100 damage? Oh yeah that's right, still almost forgot it even dealt damage :^) The slow is fantastic for the melee champions it's designed for, though. Gotta say that if Deadmans was ever good on ranged champions be it through having an increased gold efficiency value or odd meta reasons, I'm sure ranged champions wouldn't mind wasting the slow. It's just so much more desirable on melee champions.

Hibeki1 votes

No, tank veigar specifically wants deadmans. He needs the movement speed and defensive stats. Good veigars build like rod of ages or morello then straight tank.

This is the only champ I know of that would build like that as a ranged champion, but I can see the reasoning behind doing it with teemo.

rtbf761092711 votes

if you want more speed and defensive stats it would be more gold efficient (as in you end up with more stats and stronger at the same amount of gold) if you just got armor and movespeed elsewhere. Like if you built item 3143 item 3009 or took some movespeed in runes if you still wanted item 3020 .

I don't think you can possibly argue that using items which are 80% gold efficient due to missing out on melee only passives can POSSIBLY be whats ideal for any champion ever.

Automated Riven1 votes

If you take MS runes you are hurting your early game pretty bad. Thats alot of wasted stats.

rtbf761092711 votes

the point is with the same amount of gold in different items which ACTUALLY WORK for ranged champions you will be stronger. How you do that specifically through other items or runes is whatever

I dont even understand how i need to argue this. It's like getting item 3117 item 3068 and never getting the bonus move speed due to sunfire always putting you in combat against minions and monsters it hits. Wasted gold

Not to mention as soon as you attack once the stacks are discharged so you lose your movement speed. So you cant even kite with the deadmans plate movespeed, all you can do is GAP CLOSE and SLOW as a MELEE champion

Hibeki1 votes

The point is you dont care about the gold efficiency. Its the only tank item to give movement speed other than zzrot which got nerfed.

Automated Riven1 votes

just because you dont get the full use out of an item does not make it bad for the champion. Look at akali who can do very well buying lich bane. this is wasted gold but not so wasted that it isnt worth the pickup. Buying sunfire as a ranged would be wasted as well because if you are doing damage with the passive you are doing it wrong. and same with randuins. you shouldnt be using the active. also the vast majority of the time you are wasting the passive to because as a squishy ranged champ you dont wanna be in range of the adc unless you are doing damage to him.

dakota saturn2 votes

It is true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LjX2xsCMME

I had a 9 game winning streak until this match in my promos. I was in my Gold IV Promos, and matchmaking decides to put an unranked ADC who has literally never played a single ranked game, and was in Bronze IV Elo.

This person wouldn't even be allowed to duo with anyone in the game because he is 2 divisions lower than anyone else, but lovely Matchmaking decided to take a crap on this match anyway.

It literally sets you up to lose as hard as it can if you start to win.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

I don't remember the name sadly but i read on reddit that some challenger is/was stuck in dia 5 for over a 100 games bouncing between d4-5. Seems rigged to me. And fits my own experience currently. I fucked up my promos/mmr and have a negative winrate and ever since then i am so hardstuck. A few games i stomp the shit out of them before i get matched with afks or legit silver players who somehow managed to get to plat. And then suddenly i feed my ass off because bad game, happens and get carried so hard.

Saianna2 votes

Actually... It's not a "feel", but a "fact".

That's what Matchmaker seriously does. Some, 3-4, years ago there was quite decent sized rage-filled shitstorm on forums cause someone made math, started counting MMR etc etc

And conclusion was simple: matchmaker does not allow you to keep winning score. And it usually adds handicap by giving you lower MMR teammates gainst opponents with slightly higher MMR than yours (that widens the gap even further)

Noblewind1 votes

What's with all of these posts recently? This is the function of an MMR system, it's quite simple.

There is an avg MMR expected at each division and if you win a ton of games, you go above average. You are then more likely to be the highest MMR player on your team, meaning less than average teammates to even out the MMR. The average MMR in each game on both teams stays relatively equal, cherry picking at occasional outliers will get you nowhere. Therefore the argument of I deserve to win this game because I carried and was best in the game isn't completely valid, because you were fully intended to be the best player going in since your MMR was so high. Sure it comes to a disadvantage sometimes but that's the only real way it can work to create fair games On Average. If you went on a win streak, grew your MMR, and never had this case happen, you would perpetually climb.

Your goal remains the same as always to climb, I.e. get better at the game at an individual level, to win more games than you lose in all situations, whether you are lowest MMR or highest.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Except this "mmr" (elo) system is bullshit in the first place. I hope you know elo is actually for 1v1 not 5v5. On top of it this whole system revolves around Winrate and nothing else. And i don't see the logic behind: you are a good player and better than your elo= here have shitter teammates against better opponents. When it should be: okay that guy is better than the average player in his range, here have better teammates AND better opponents.

Covert Ops Gnar1 votes

I had an Ekko support with item 3070 as first item I had a Lux support rush item 3001 against full AD

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Following a victory streak of two or more, the next defeat shows the MMR of your team decreasing substantially and is lower than the MMR of your enemy's team which rightfully increased from last game.

Phyuq Yiu1 votes

Yes matchmaking makes sure you lose close to 50% unless you are smurfing and can carry lower mmr vs higher mmr. If you loe enough you will get such amazing teams that you cant even lose if you tried.

SirTeemoMushroom1 votes

replace the world "idiot" with mentally retarded

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