Some good AP item changes on PBE

AquariusGine··9 votes·6,946 views

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AP :: 30 >>> 35

Rylai's Crystal Scepter

AP :: 85 >>> 90

Seeker's Armguard

Total Cost :: 1200 >>> 1100

Zhonya's Hourglass

AP :: 70 >>> 75

Banshee's Veil

AP :: 70 >>> 75

I like being able to buy Seeker's Armguard a little sooner, Zed and Yasuo are quite absurd at the moment

13 Comments

Vekkna10 votes

Nice to have +5 AP after you finish your three mana items.

WTBeGirl100EUhr5 votes

Low key Rumble Akali Kennen buffs.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

And a bit of Vlad.

SwiftKitten885 votes

yeah these would be great if they weren't gutting mages at the same time...

i mean i DO like these changes... but.. i wouldn't call it worth with the other ones we are getting

ReySolomon3 votes

Nice! I can buy seekers a lot early wait.. Rylais getting buffed? hmm I might consider buying this item again.

Snowman Arc3 votes

Well, gaining 5 more AP on Rylai's (an item that almost no one buys), or Zhonya's (which comes on later in the game) or Banshee's (which is a very situation-specific item) is gonna fix nothing at all. If they can't manage the damage the ADC's do, might as well buff the AP gained by standard items. Morello could use a little extra love for example. Seeing how assassins in the mid lane can easily itemize defensively vs mages, while not sacrificing much, it's not a bad idea. Hexdrinker on Zed nullifies most mages.

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

Except that there's already planned midseason changes for Marksmen, in case you haven't heard.

Snowman Arc1 votes

I'm not quite sure how will that affect mid lane mages. For starters, I don't take anything for granted. As far as I know, Riot might even fuck up and buff marksmen LOL. But the problem still remains. Mages are behind the curve. Runes don't fit them well, itemization is expensive, there is no real way to snowball.

The problem with ADCs is that they can snowball so much easier. It's a 2v2 lane, so it's easier for a kill to happen there, maybe even 2 kills = more gold. Then, a pushing bot lane can push faster with two people (Morgana + Sivir for example), so taking the first tower is much easier = more gold. ADC farm is much easier then Mage farm. Itemization is much easier and has more options (still limited, of course).

All these points show how ADCs just get so far ahead of everyone else with all the gold income they generate. There has to be a huge change to avoid that snowball. At this point I'm not sure what's the best solution. Maybe mid tower not having a shield so that there can be potential first tower there?

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

Riot does plan to address the Marksmen issues in the midseason. Riot Axes outlined the plan on what we should expect to see in the near future.

Marksmen are the champions that the meta currently revolves around but they aren't the only problem. It's the collective bot lane that literally invites ganks left and right that's the issue. One bot lane is going to win out in these trades and the losing side is going to struggle.

nelogis2 votes

After reducing the spamability of spells they can now increase the impact of spells

Maybe they should have released these changes WITH the mana changes... yeah that could have solved some problems I think... not all of them but some.

Leetri3 votes

You'd think the boards would've learned by now to not go completely batshit insane whenever anything even remotely negative ends up on the PBE. It's one thing to go "I don't agree with this but let's wait a moment and see if there's anything more to this" and "omg riot literally wants to remove mages from the game, they're a bunch of shitbrain ADC mains". Sadly the boards tend to go for the latter.

ZaneShadow1 votes

hahaha ya, especially with Tabi nerf. This doesn't flip it back the wrong way, but makes it a little easier to have some hope at least.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

They basically nerfing the mid game of every mid mana champion

You gained at best 5-10 AP mid game and about 20 AP late game. However if you take into account the seraph nerfs, you still lose AP late game!!!!

Great!!!!!!

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