How to fix AD assassin itemization and fix cleaver being too strong for too many classes

Rexxiee·Jun 21, 2017·2 votes·320 views

BC > -10% cdr

Ghostblade > +5% cdr

EON > +5% cdr, +5 AD, - .5s channel time (so 1s channel now from 1.5s)

Duskblade > completely reworked to something that isnt broken on khazix and useless on everyone else, maybe into a 20% cdr + big AD item (note if we go with the 20% cdr option the above cdr buffs wouldnt be needed, just give +5 ad to ghostblade instead).

This would not only balance black cleaver but it would also reduce its overreliance on assassins (since they dont have another easy way to get lots of cdr), so they have other options to go for more cdr (ghostblade + eon would give 20%, or possibly a new duskblade),

13 Comments

Sir YamazukiJun 21, 20172 votes

I guess making Black Cleaver an item that mostly only functions for Juggernauts would be too complicated? Warmog's for instances requires a minimum health pool to get its passive, maybe something similar can be done to BC considering BC is apparently meant for champions like Garen, Darius, etc who get items such as Visage, Deadman's, etc. It would make it a worse first item for the champions intended, but champions like Garen do not need yet another set of indirect full nerfs.

RexxieeJun 21, 20171 votes

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I guess making Black Cleaver an item that mostly only functions for Juggernauts would be too complicated? Warmog's for instances requires a minimum health pool to get its passive, maybe something similar can be done to BC considering BC is apparently meant for champions like Garen, Darius, etc who get items such as Visage, Deadman's, etc. It would make it a worse first item for the champions intended, but champions like Garen do not need yet another set of indirect full nerfs.

We are not going to keep from balancing the game because "poor" garen is going to get a small indirect nerf out of this.

Garen has other issues with his binary kit.

Sir YamazukiJun 21, 20172 votes

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We are not going to keep from balancing the game because "poor" garen is going to get a small indirect nerf out of this.

Garen has other issues with his binary kit.

Nerfing an item because assassins/adcs are abusing isn't "balancing". You're nerfing one class while compensating another class. What I suggested is no different to what they basically did to Redemption. Redemption was only nerfed for any non-support that didn't take Windpeaker's or Ardent. If BC is too good on full damage dealers then you nerf it for full damage dealers only. Assassins, adcs, and full damage fighters don't build health items outside of BC. This suggestion also reduces the effectiveness of Illaio abusing DD too.

Big LincolnJun 21, 20171 votes

Illaoi doesn't abuse the item

RalanrJun 21, 20171 votes

BC IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN ASSASSIN ITEM. IT SHOULD BE BALANCED OUTSIDE OF THEM.

RexxieeJun 21, 20171 votes

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BC IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN ASSASSIN ITEM. IT SHOULD BE BALANCED OUTSIDE OF THEM.

Have you even read the thread?

Those changes would push it away from assassins (reducing the cdr fom BC and giving a bit more for glass cannon assassins items).

Cleaver is overall still too strong and bruisers still have trinity for the 20% cdr item.

RalanrJun 21, 20171 votes

Please do not force more bruisers to require Trifoce as their core item. The item is just fucking bullshit.

RexxieeJun 21, 20172 votes

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Please do not force more bruisers to require Trifoce as their core item. The item is just fucking bullshit.

Trinity atleast is expensive and is mostly a damage item/falls off late game, sure the powerspike is very strong but its also counted by armor.

BC just has too much going for it for its price, BC is so strong as a purely CDR option that you can buy it even when theres 0 ppl building armor on pretty much any champion that uses CDR, AD and HP.