I want to carry in SoloQ playing the champions I like: AP mid

Thilmer·Feb 1, 2019·3 votes·1,206 views

Is this going to be posible in Season 9?

Or are we simply going to get screwed again because we are not asassins or AD champions?

I recently finished my 10 positioning matches, and I'm already tired of Season 9. It's the same as season 8, and season 8 was basically a second version of season 7. If you are not playing jungler, ADC, or an asassin, your contribution to the team is an anecdote and winning or losing the game doesn't depends on you at all.

The balance between different roles and different champion classes it's completely atrocious, and has been for a while. Are we going to see some change in season 9? Or is about time I go to another moba, or directly to another kind of videogame?

24 Comments

Who Fed RuFeb 1, 20197 votes

Another mage bias post.

Mages are actually stronger than AD champs atm and have the highest winrates in basically every role they are viable, but I guess you never hear a mage main saying that.

Hell even Karthus jng is a highly contested pick atm.

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20192 votes

Another AD bias reply.

Mages are not stronger atm. They may have better winrates but their itemization is shit and Riot is focused more on helping AD and giving them all the fancy, over the top items to abuse.

Karthus jg is not highly contested and is a rare pick that is done by his mains, not by the world.

Who Fed RuFeb 1, 20192 votes

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Another AD bias reply.

Mages are not stronger atm. They may have better winrates but their itemization is shit and Riot is focused more on helping AD and giving them all the fancy, over the top items to abuse.

Karthus jg is not highly contested and is a rare pick that is done by his mains, not by the world.

Karthus jg is not highly contested and is a rare pick that is done by his mains, not by the world

In high elo it is.

Mages are not stronger atm.

Yes they are. Much higher winrates indicate that. If their itemization is shit and AD has the better items, then why do they still win more? Maybe because their kits are stronger?

You can't say that they have higher winrates and in the same sentence say that they are supposed to be worse. Winning is the goal of the game.

Mages are simply stronger atm and that's it. Especially Velkoz Xerath Zyra Karthus are beyond busted.

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cNLwrfQp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-01T15:39:34.853+0000)

In high elo it is.

High elo is a small percentage of the population. In my elo I've only see him once in the past four years I've been playing.

Yes they are. Much higher winrates indicate that. If their itemization is shit and AD has the better items, then why do they still win more? Maybe because their kits are stronger?

They are not stronger. They scale better to the late game, that's why. AD's fall off late, especially assassins because they have good base damage but bad scaling. Riot gives AD better itemization to try to cover that up for their lack of late game.

You can't say that they have higher winrates and in the same sentence say that they are supposed to be worse. Winning is the goal of the game.

Already explained. -.-

Mages are simply stronger atm and that's it. Especially are beyond busted.

Nope. And those aren't busted at all. Learn to avoid poke and jump on them, they die in 0.2 seconds. And it's your fault if you pick an assassin into one anyway.

Who Fed RuFeb 1, 20191 votes

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High elo is a small percentage of the population. In my elo I've only see him once in the past four years I've been playing.

They are not stronger. They scale better to the late game, that's why. AD's fall off late, especially assassins because they have good base damage but bad scaling. Riot gives AD better itemization to try to cover that up for their lack of late game.

Already explained. -.-

Nope. And those aren't busted at all. Learn to avoid poke and jump on them, they die in 0.2 seconds. And it's your fault if you pick an assassin into one anyway.

High elo is a small percentage of the population. In my elo I've only see him once in the past four years I've been playing.

The small percentage of the players who know this game best.

They are not stronger. They scale better to the late game, that's why. AD's fall off late, especially assassins because they have good base damage but bad scaling. Riot gives AD better itemization to try to cover that up for their lack of late game.

And still, they win more. If they win more, they are better. Are we measuring usefulness now as how useful a champion is in early game? Because there AD champs are stronger (usually), but why should that make them stronger overall when in the end the mage still carries and wins? I don't really see how that is supposed to be an argument. Winning in the end is all that matters, and mages do that more often. So they are stronger.

Already explained. -.-

Not a good one tho. Repeating myself: Winning in the end is all that matters.

Nope. And those aren't busted at all. Learn to avoid poke and jump on them, they die in 0.2 seconds. And it's your fault if you pick an assassin into one anyway.

They are, Xerath is actually one of my fav champions so I don't even complain (My mains are Zed Syndra Xerath ), the amount of damage he can dish out is not funny.

Syndra is one of the few mages that is actually useless af atm, but Xerath , hell that damage across all game. He can poke early on from a range where it is hard to reach him, and one W Q combo already makes your enemy half life, and he also scales heavily into late. And for getting jumped on you have those nice little items item 2423 item 3157 that are supposed to be "useless" if you listen to the ppl here.

Point is, mages are stronger atm, it's simple as that.

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20191 votes

Wrong. Edit: not all high elo know the game best either. And since the rest of the world doesn't do it, also shows that it isn't always the best thing to do either.

Mages are not better or stronger.

And Zhonyas has been nerfed so much that it's not much of a counter anymore. The armor doesn't do shit and most assassins like Zed can still kill you after.

Who Fed RuFeb 1, 20191 votes

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Wrong. Edit: not all high elo know the game best either. And since the rest of the world doesn't do it, also shows that it isn't always the best thing to do either.

Mages are not better or stronger.

And Zhonyas has been nerfed so much that it's not much of a counter anymore. The armor doesn't do shit and most assassins like Zed can still kill you after.

Only that Zed is kinda shit atm since they nerfed basically everything that made him strong over the last months. He isn't at his lowest point, but I had more success in carrying games with Xerath than with Zed in the last few weeks.

And Zhonyas has been nerfed so much that it's not much of a counter anymore. The armor doesn't do shit and most assassins like Zed can still kill you after.

Sorry but I always think if ppl say things like that that they simply can't use the item correctly. Ofc if you go into a full 1v1 vs an Assassin he will be able to kill you after Zhonyas. But you shouldn't use it without having some kind of backup. If you use it in a teamfight or any situation where your team is in range of you, he will have used his spells on you and has no way to escape while you are in stasis.

Also, just the Armor part of Zhonyas "that doesn't do shit" counters the Lethality of more than 2 Lethalithy items. But yeah, "Lethality OP" I guess?

Mages are not better or stronger.

But they win more games, and that is what I would say makes them stronger

Noor SakataFeb 1, 20192 votes

Good Job mentioning only Support mages that are just better because adc role is a meme anyway and ignoring the main point of the thread

Who Fed RuFeb 1, 20192 votes

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Good Job mentioning only Support mages that are just better because adc role is a meme anyway and ignoring the main point of the thread

It just shows that mages are the strongest supports too.

There are enough that are strong in mid too.

Literally just go watch any high elo stream or pro play matches and say to me what champions you see there on mid. I dare you.

Noor SakataFeb 2, 20191 votes

Yeah good job comparing pro play to solo q , lmao , it was always a thing for pro players to run mages anyway , they are the type needed for their play style anyway

Who Fed RuFeb 2, 20191 votes

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Yeah good job comparing pro play to solo q , lmao , it was always a thing for pro players to run mages anyway , they are the type needed for their play style anyway

It was just an example

their winrates are higher than ever across all elos

Dr DogFeb 1, 20194 votes

lmao what? karthus is literally a top tier jger rn with a 6% pick rate and over 36% banrate, some BRUISER items are good rn aka item 3053 and item 3078

ap itemization isnt shit the issue is the set build path they have rn is much stronger than other options and more universally useful on them than actually going for the other items they have at their disposal

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20192 votes

6% pick rate, woooo. Yea that's terrible dude.

Bruiser itemization is not AP itemization but nice ty.

And yes, AP items are shit. Sure they are more uinversally useful but they've been nerfed over and over thanks to AD mains crying about them.

Dr DogFeb 1, 20193 votes

6% pick rate is actually not bad at all and ya lets ignore the fact that its higher than his mid pick rate and how well karthus jg is performing in high elo rn, and if you read my comment a bit before you responded you'd see that i was referencing the ad items that are abused rn not saying they were ap itemization

lastly ap items are great rn dont even try to sweep the magic pen problem right now under the rug or the fact that ludens single handedly gets rid of almost every mages mana issues including the ones that used to have to opt for more than one mana item and were balanced around that later dmg powerspike along with ludens giving any mage that gets it artificial burst

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20192 votes

Yeah it's pretty bad dude.

Eh no. AP is still shit. Luden's does not cover all mana problems. Most have to get more than that.

And Riot loves to continue nerfing the AP numbers out of our items as well so there's that. Ever since the marksmen update a few seasons ago, they've stripped the numbers time and time again.

Dr DogFeb 1, 20193 votes

accept ludens does? if you havent noticed the core for most mages is item 3285 item 3020 item 3165 including previously high mana cost ones like Orianna then the next normal items are ones like item 3135 item 3157 item 3089 item 3151 again none of which are mana items, but im not gonna go on with someone clearly bias themselves to the point they argue the strongest jg pick in high tiers rn is "bad"

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20191 votes

No, it doesn't. Most mages I see vary game to game on what they take.

I'm not biased either, and Karthus is not the strongest jg pick at all.

Good bye.

Dr DogFeb 1, 20194 votes

keep telling yourself that, https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Karthus/Jungle/

ill just leave this here for ya if you wanna get caught up on some stats and hang up your personal biases for a sec

MiracleMorg94Feb 1, 20191 votes

I am not biased, either about AP or Karthus. I rarely play him, and I don't like his slow playstyle either.

Again, he's only strong in a small pool that does not speak for the rest of the masses so stop pushing that down my throat as if it was true.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Dr DogFeb 1, 20192 votes

"small pool" im pretty sure if it were a small pool he wouldnt have a 8% pickrate jg and a 59% ban rate in masters+, y'know the 4th highest pick rate out of the top winrate jgers inculding kha xin and lee sin and the highest ban rate out of them by about 24-25%

FOR JUSTICEFeb 1, 20196 votes

uh... i mean..

are you playing the RIGHT ap champions? they have a meta too, not all AP champions can be meta at once. take for example currently Karthus Cassiopeia Zyra Lissandra

and of these, Karthus Lissandra are flat out busted.

KalienorFeb 1, 20192 votes

Is this going to be posible in Season 9?

Depends on you, really. You have so many domains where you can improve at your level that match ups shouldn't be a worry.

If you are not playing jungler, ADC, or an asassin, your contribution to the team is an anecdote and winning or losing the game doesn't depends on you at all.

If you feel like you're not participating in the result, that means you're at the exact spot where matchmaking = your level. To get rid of that feeling, you have to analyze your performances and improve your gameplay. Match ups are a growing part of it as you climb the ladder, but for now, you can get the upper hand on any standard match up by reinforcing game knowledge and training. You could learn to secure your farm and your life with proper wave management, you could choose better items (especially, buying defensive items before the enemy hits his powerspike). You could learn positioning, trading stance and retaliation. You could plan ahead and take objectives or roam based on situations YOU created. You could play the game instead of playing your champion ^^.

That's difficult, really, but my guess is you started to think playing was enough to get results by sheer experience when you actually have to work on specific aspects. If you want to carry, you're gonna have to break the habit, because for now you're stuck on a routine and your situation won't move an inch that way.

Who Fed RuFeb 1, 20191 votes

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Depends on you, really. You have so many domains where you can improve at your level that match ups shouldn't be a worry.

If you feel like you're not participating in the result, that means you're at the exact spot where matchmaking = your level. To get rid of that feeling, you have to analyze your performances and improve your gameplay. Match ups are a growing part of it as you climb the ladder, but for now, you can get the upper hand on any standard match up by reinforcing game knowledge and training. You could learn to secure your farm and your life with proper wave management, you could choose better items (especially, buying defensive items before the enemy hits his powerspike). You could learn positioning, trading stance and retaliation. You could plan ahead and take objectives or roam based on situations YOU created. You could play the game instead of playing your champion ^^.

That's difficult, really, but my guess is you started to think playing was enough to get results by sheer experience when you actually have to work on specific aspects. If you want to carry, you're gonna have to break the habit, because for now you're stuck on a routine and your situation won't move an inch that way.

The fact that this got downvoted is just showing how r%%%%%ed the community here is. It just shows that the ppl here are really blaming things like the META or the game because they are stuck in silver.

boricCentaur1Feb 1, 20191 votes

Yeah there so many good assassins mid lane like akali, leblanc, kass and maybe zed o wait most of those are ap. In the top ten mid champion played in diamond there is 1 ad assassin and yas the rest are ap. It is almost like ap is better then ad in mid lane.