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bot lane will never be fair.

Woook3r··1 votes·358 views

You want to make laning phase important. THats good. it should be important. its the only individual measure of skill in the game. Except for bot lane. Every other lane is going to have safe champions. Scaling champions. And lane bullies.

But you cant afford to make a strong adc a strong lane bully. Because then that champion will get picked everytime. Cause this game is ALWAYS going to have bully supports. And asking anyone to lane against TWO lane bullies is just too much.. Cause one of those bullies doesnt even have to fucking last hit the minions. All they do is watch their mana pool and zone the fuck out of you. Its their fucking JOB. And their other job is to put wards in the grass. What kind of role is that? One of them is to one sidedly fuck with another human who will loose if they try to fight back bc lose cs and adc doesnt have the dmg anyway. Even if they did the support gets 3 pots in stead of 1. So 0 risk. The other is to fucking wander off and interact with the fucking terrain and fog of war. WTF?

This lane is fucking toxic and it always will be because you, riot, cant balance shit that doesnt follow the pattern of the rest of the game. You arent really even competent enough to do it in the jungle, but that's another story.

Theres not enough ways for an adc to carry the game if they have to play safe in lane and all of the traditional adc items are stupidly expensive. We have 1 powerspike item. ONE. Thats fucking ghostblade and its meant for assassins, ffs. Jesus. Look at fucking GHOSTBLADE!

Just because you dont have any adc at > 53% win rate does not mean the champions are fair. THIS LANE IS NOT BALANCED!

14 Comments

Flaherty3 votes

Can you give specifics? because you're not making much sense

Woook3r1 votes

the point is that the duo lane is never going to be healthy. And supports are never going to be healthy. And as long as supports are in bot lane, adc's are going to bitch because they dont have enough power to carry games.

I will always have higher win rates in mid than I do in adc regardless the meta and regardless my skill or elo.

sheldonbunny2 votes

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the point is that the duo lane is never going to be healthy. And supports are never going to be healthy. And as long as supports are in bot lane, adc's are going to bitch because they dont have enough power to carry games.

I will always have higher win rates in mid than I do in adc regardless the meta and regardless my skill or elo.

It's marksmen like you that I take the most glee in tormenting as a support main honestly. So easily tilted.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

In all seriousness, your actual issue seems to be having a reliable lanemate. Supports are meant to babysit during laning. You're getting frustrated because enemy support is doing the better job at it, or you wouldn't be raging this much.

NiamhNyx2 votes

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It's marksmen like you that I take the most glee in tormenting as a support main honestly. So easily tilted.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

In all seriousness, your actual issue seems to be having a reliable lanemate. Supports are meant to babysit during laning. You're getting frustrated because enemy support is doing the better job at it, or you wouldn't be raging this much.

Tormenting adc's is our life goal as a support :P

sheldonbunny1 votes

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Tormenting adc's is our life goal as a support :P

Pretty much. Though I do honestly enjoy keeping everyone on my team safe and providing as much vision as possible.

...but during laning it's all about driving enemy adc to hide behind his turret.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Woook3r1 votes

No. My issue is that making a trade is too risky. Ill always pull minion agro and that means that if I get hit by any ability during the trade, its a monstrously negative trade for me.

So i really do have to sit there and try not to fall asleep.

The supports job is not to babysit the adc. Only a select few supports can even do that. Its to do what you said and fuck with the enemy adc.

Supports are generally not any good at saving the adc. Just tahm kench, thresh, janna. Sona can too I guess. And I only say that because they have something to counter ganks.

Theres nothing else you can protect an adc from, really. If the adc makes a mistake then they die and thats the way the game is.

NiamhNyx1 votes

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No. My issue is that making a trade is too risky. Ill always pull minion agro and that means that if I get hit by any ability during the trade, its a monstrously negative trade for me.

So i really do have to sit there and try not to fall asleep.

The supports job is not to babysit the adc. Only a select few supports can even do that. Its to do what you said and fuck with the enemy adc.

Supports are generally not any good at saving the adc. Just tahm kench, thresh, janna. Sona can too I guess. And I only say that because they have something to counter ganks.

Theres nothing else you can protect an adc from, really. If the adc makes a mistake then they die and thats the way the game is.

Lulu is the master at saving her ADC, Soraka can save them pretty well, annie can zone and save, taric can stun and shield and if timed right, make adc invulnerable.

You just obviously havent had a support main help you out yet lol.

sheldonbunny1 votes

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No. My issue is that making a trade is too risky. Ill always pull minion agro and that means that if I get hit by any ability during the trade, its a monstrously negative trade for me.

So i really do have to sit there and try not to fall asleep.

The supports job is not to babysit the adc. Only a select few supports can even do that. Its to do what you said and fuck with the enemy adc.

Supports are generally not any good at saving the adc. Just tahm kench, thresh, janna. Sona can too I guess. And I only say that because they have something to counter ganks.

Theres nothing else you can protect an adc from, really. If the adc makes a mistake then they die and thats the way the game is.

Then you're getting the wrong people supporting you. I'm sorry that your limited time with the game has taught you the wrong ideas of what supports are, do, and are capable of. Hopefully you will be enlightened eventually.

Flaherty3 votes

You clearly never played in the seasons before the support rework. Supports now are in the best state they've ever been in. Season 3 warding trinkets didn't exist and the support's primary role was to be a ward robot. Most games ended with supports building sightstone and boots and that's it. That role was the shittiest thing in league so riot made them better, they made it so the team had to ward as well and supports could actually earn more money and spend it on items to be able to provide things other than vision. ADCs still have one of the best potentials to carry if you're skilled with them and have competent teammates. You're just upset because you actually have to work at doing well enough to carry because supports can actually have an impact on the game, which they should.

sheldonbunny1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

NiamhNyx1 votes

Did you get wrecked by a support recently or something?

Mimy1 votes

Fist off looking at your match history, you're playing some of the most hardest ADCs to play in an ELO were, well let's face it, no one peels...

Jinx is okay

Your highest win rate with with Ashe

If you're good as Ashe, I'd reccomend Varus ! He's pretty good right now too!

You need to drop Draven and Jhin till you get a better understanding of the role.

Draven falls off easily, and when he falls, he hits rock bottom hard. You will never get back from being behind as him.

Jhin is an immobile, with no self peel or escapes. He is really hard and requires a solid team for protection.

#I'm not trying to be mean but I'm just saying this trying to help you. If you wanna climb and get better you need to play some easier champions, because you have a lot more to worry about then your mechanics of the character your playing, so playing something easy you can put your extra attention elsewhere like the minimap...

Enemy jungle and mid mission.. Get the F outta botlane, they comming for your Ashe.. (Yes dumb pun..)

Looking at your OP.gg, I guess you are okay as Draven, but you need to get your deaths down a bit. Play a bit more safer.

ADCs that could help you re-position are ones that can jump over walls quickly. Tristana Corki Ezreal Lucian I don't know if he can go through walls with his dash, But I see you play him and a Dash is an escape/reposition.

you can practice these champions untill you begin to autonomously think about good positioning skills, when a team fight breaks out ask yourself "Where Do I want to be?" Asking yourself this will make you think of the best possible way to enter a team fight.

I did this myself, how I was entering I would of been ADC num nums for the enemy team then I spotted two of my tanks nearby I positioned myself behind and between them. We won that fight.

I guess what I'm saying is you need to be more careful, but not too careful...

Selective aggressiveness.

Choose when you think it's smart to go on the offence. Ask yourself.. "What am I fighting for? Will I the objective after this?"

I see many of my bronze/silver brothers and sisters fighting in the jungle over nothing but kills and I sit there and ask... "What is the objective of this.."

Also, I had a High Elo tell me something about ADC that kinda makes things a little bit better.

"If you're doing nothing, you're doing it wrong.."

Basically, this means to always do something. You're either team fighting, taking an objective, or CSing, and if you're not doing that, you're not doing your job.

Also, I'm sorry to tell you this but your last game...

Xerath isn't a support, that's a mage botlane. Of course you will get bullied if you had a janna. x3

I wouldn't call Kalista a lane bully, she's sitting at a 40% Win Rate..

Woook3r1 votes

you are in bronze 2 and I will wreck you on draven.

Mimy2 votes

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you are in bronze 2 and I will wreck you on draven.

Yes, but you do not fight bronze 2 in ranked do you?

#You are fighting people about to hit gold, who are probably playing much easier to play ADCs and can easily outplay you with less skill.

I am not trying to say I'm better than you I'm just trying to help point out what you could work on to make yourself better.

A critique if I say so, even an armature artist may shed light on what a more experienced artist is missing and this way both can mutually learn from one another.

I can try to help but it's up to you whether you wish to help yourself. No one will carry you to gold but yourself.

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