I still think the jungle changes were a massive mistake

Towboat421·Jun 24, 2018·43 votes·12,459 views

The fact that it did little to suppress the top tier junglers and made jungling with anything that isn't a duelist difficult has killed the role for me, the fact that the more effective thing to do right now is to pick a carry jungle and support mid to funnel the gold rather than actually jungling speaks to how ineffective the role is now. Playing a regular jungler feels so clunky in my opinion and the limited pool of champs that are considered viable makes playing it incredibly monotonous [zombie-nunu-bummed]

32 Comments

ChaoticEkkoJun 24, 201810 votes

So why did they even make those changes?

Agent CorgiJun 24, 20188 votes

I think their reasoning was to "kill Early Jungle Pressure".

ChaoticEkkoJun 24, 201811 votes

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I think their reasoning was to "kill Early Jungle Pressure".

But they lowered the xp and gold from camps and increased the crab by alot so wouldn't that encourage lower level junglers to be played because it's not very good to farm a whole jg anymore and you pretty much have to fight for crab control or you'll be behind the enemy jg?

Agent CorgiJun 24, 201813 votes

I have no idea. With the way things are, they made it so that you have to contest Scuttle & invade the Enemy Jungle should you kill the other jungler. This way, you take their gold/exp away & put them further behind.

Either way, I liked the previous Jungle Meta far better than the current one.

Troll for TrumpJun 24, 20182 votes

Yes, but all the skirmishing revoles in jg rather than constant early ganks, so it feels better for laners. They did place too much priority on scuttle

Agent CorgiJun 24, 20181 votes

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They did place too much priority on scuttle

From the looks of it, it seems that way. I remember someone posting that Scuttle crab has become more valuable than Dragon/Herald. I don't know how true that previous statement is, but Scuttle does feel far more important than it did pre-change.

BestPudgeNAJun 24, 20181 votes

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Yes, but all the skirmishing revoles in jg rather than constant early ganks, so it feels better for laners. They did place too much priority on scuttle

Disagree i liked the old Jungler better even when i play lanes. Nowdays if you get counterpicked it can feel really really awful because either your JG is ahead and he spending time farming or he is behind and can't gank.

Troll for TrumpJun 25, 20181 votes

if you get counterpicked it can feel really really awful

This is a consequence of the "top lane island" that people wanted restored. Naturally in isolated 1v1 scenarios, counterpicks can dominate matchups. But top lane island is supposed to just be a forced 1v1 scenario that allows good individual skill expression. The jgl's ability to intervene interferes with that fantasy

ValiantKillerJun 24, 20181 votes

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I think their reasoning was to "kill Early Jungle Pressure".

Yep Graves level 2 or xin level2 able to early gank, nothing will work it the power of champion which is the problem.

Tundra HunterJun 25, 20181 votes

Not sure they nailed it as, actually, junglers are relevant early and later on useless as they are some gold same exp as support but with no utility in their kit Warwick

RekSai CoffeeCoJun 24, 20181 votes

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So why did they even make those changes?

Main reason was just so they could say they did something most likely.

Not sure why they said these changes would diversify jungle when it has just been the opposite unless they meant more diversity= carry jungler who funnels off another lane, as that wasn't prevalent before the changes (prevalent in this context meaning all that often not that it didn't exist before the changes just changes brought it to be more commonplace now).

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Jun 25, 20181 votes

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So why did they even make those changes?

Why did they make any of the changes in season 7/8. They keep trying to add gimmicks to make the game more fun and every time it just ends up making it worse.

RekSai CoffeeCoJun 24, 20185 votes

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The fact that it did little to suppress the top tier junglers and made jungling with anything that isn't a duelist difficult has killed the role for me, the fact that the more effective thing to do right now is to pick a carry jungle and support mid to funnel the gold rather than actually jungling speaks to how ineffective the role is now. Playing a regular jungler feels so clunky in my opinion and the limited pool of champs that are considered viable makes playing it incredibly monotonous [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Thank you for summing up the problem which riot wants to ignore instead of admit they made a mistake on.

fifalegendJun 26, 20181 votes

-Thank you for summing up the problem which riot wants to ignore instead of admit they made a mistake on.

They are making so many mistakes but they will never admit them. Just like Dynamic queue.

BestPudgeNAJun 24, 20184 votes

Jungle is the new bot lane... not in power level, but in terms of champ pool. You pick the same 2-4 champs ever game or you're trolling.

/feelsbadman

Solidair3Jun 25, 20183 votes

They also didn't really stop level 2 ganks which is irritating

AzadetheJun 25, 20182 votes

It. Didn't. Make. Jungling. Difficult. At. ALL.

It actually made it EASIER.

item 1039 gained 10 heals per duration, and 10 more burn.

BOTH jungle items gained 30 XP from large monsters.

Krugs gained massive XP on the small and mediums and a smaller first clear XP penalty.

My current Main junglers are Zyra and Pyke and sometimes Evelynn .

I'm winning over 75% of those games.

I really don't understand why people are incapable of adapting to the jungle.

You guys are so tunneled on Scuttle..... which doesn't even give the best XP/Gold until late game. It's the big shiny lure that takes you away from the fundamentals.

And yes. I outjungle all these:

XinZhao Warwick Udyr Trundle Shyvana Shaco Rengar Nunu Olaf Rammus MasterYi LeeSin Graves Hecarim

I typically ban Kayn ..... and not because I can't handle him, but because I don't like how many times he can dodge my ults with his R.

The only real challenges are Camille Nocturne Sejuani MonkeyKing

Towboat421Jun 25, 20182 votes

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It. Didn't. Make. Jungling. Difficult. At. ALL.

It actually made it EASIER.

gained 10 heals per duration, and 10 more burn.

BOTH jungle items gained 30 XP from large monsters.

Krugs gained massive XP on the small and mediums and a smaller first clear XP penalty.

My current Main junglers are and and sometimes .

I'm winning over 75% of those games.

I really don't understand why people are incapable of adapting to the jungle.

You guys are so tunneled on Scuttle..... which doesn't even give the best XP/Gold until late game. It's the big shiny lure that takes you away from the fundamentals.

And yes. I outjungle all these:

I typically ban ..... and not because I can't handle him, but because I don't like how many times he can dodge my ults with his R.

The only real challenges are

So is this your smurf account or are you making shit up because you don't have any recent game like you described and your unranked so i will be taking your input with a few dashes of salt. Jungling has been railroaded into having the early game monsters, your shacos, your graves, your xins who can gank and trade early with enemies, that was and has been the complaint people have had with the changes. Having to select from a small pool of viable junglers isnt fun especially when some of them are just tedious to play with and against.

Towboat421Jun 25, 20181 votes

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So is this your smurf account or are you making shit up because you don't have any recent game like you described and your unranked so i will be taking your input with a few dashes of salt. Jungling has been railroaded into having the early game monsters, your shacos, your graves, your xins who can gank and trade early with enemies, that was and has been the complaint people have had with the changes it reinforced the way jungle was reducing the number of characters who can be picked reliably . Having to select from a small pool of viable junglers isn't fun especially when some of them are just tedious to play with and against.

AzadetheJun 25, 20181 votes

You responded to yourself?

I'm Diamond II. I only play ranked.

BestPudgeNAJun 25, 20184 votes

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You responded to yourself?

I'm Diamond II. I only play ranked.

Provide op.gg please. The account you're posting from was Silver season 7 and had 119 games on Eve with 41% win rate.

Call me skeptical

Also, i know you're lying because you would be really really easy to find on lolalytics if you weren't

AzadetheJun 25, 20181 votes

That Eve win rate was down at 13% at one point lol.

It's called champ rework during a season it wasn't meant for, "honey."

Evelynn on old runes couldn't even heal at Drake or Baron. Baron would 3 shot her, and none of her items actually had sustain.

She only performed moderately at killing champs, because that was the part of her kit that was semi indifferent to bad teams. You could be a good killer, but if you didn't have a good team, that's all you could do.

That, and Silver/Gold was riddled in October with professional Masters Boosters selling boosting services to help people get to gold - plat.

Hard to jungle an out of meta Eve when you have an even high smurf JarvanIV + Talon duo + a top Renekton invading your jungle permanently from level 1 while your own team never leaves lane...

The account was only played for 3 months.

My main is 5 years old.

My other smurf is Gold I

Kind of sad when the only argument you can ever propose to my comments is "Hur Dur" Elo ...... Elo .... Elo.....

Towboat421Jun 25, 20184 votes

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That Eve win rate was down at 13% at one point lol.

It's called champ rework during a season it wasn't meant for, "honey."

Evelynn on old runes couldn't even heal at Drake or Baron. Baron would 3 shot her, and none of her items actually had sustain.

She only performed moderately at killing champs, because that was the part of her kit that was semi indifferent to bad teams. You could be a good killer, but if you didn't have a good team, that's all you could do.

That, and Silver/Gold was riddled in October with professional Masters Boosters selling boosting services to help people get to gold - plat.

Hard to jungle an out of meta Eve when you have an even high smurf + duo + a top invading your jungle permanently from level 1 while your own team never leaves lane...

The account was only played for 3 months.

My main is 5 years old.

My other smurf is Gold I

Kind of sad when the only argument you can ever propose to my comments is "Hur Dur" Elo ...... Elo .... Elo.....

Knew you were making shit up, NEXT!

ChaddyFantomeJun 26, 20182 votes

Kind of sad when the only argument you can ever propose to my comments is "Hur Dur" Elo ...... Elo .... Elo.....

I'd Show you more sympathy if you didn't make shit up and lie about your rank and make excuses when called out on it.

muted team chatJun 25, 20181 votes

recently decided to play kayn and it has reinvigorated me to jungle. maybe try a new champ?

Towboat421Jun 25, 20185 votes

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recently decided to play kayn and it has reinvigorated me to jungle. maybe try a new champ?

You missed the part where i mentioned that the low number of viable heroes is depressing

ChaddyFantomeJun 26, 20182 votes

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recently decided to play kayn and it has reinvigorated me to jungle. maybe try a new champ?

Kayn is braindead and busted rn.

Tundra HunterJun 25, 20181 votes

Jungle? Junglers? Does that still exist?

SaibboJun 25, 20181 votes

Playing a regular ~~jungler~~adc feels so clunky in my opinion and the limited pool of champs that are considered viable makes playing it incredibly monotonous

sound familiar