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Riots champ design is incredibly dull now

Towboat421··95 votes·21,525 views

Qiyana has no real discernible or outstanding details in her character design, ill wait to see her kit but im not holding out hope since the track record seems pretty dismal is recent memory.

Yuumi is a cat that is blue, every thing about her from her from design to VO seems phoned in.

Sylas is just a really buff dude in chains which doesn't exactly scream interesting character no real stand out features besides his shackles

Kayle redesign was probably the worst offender within the year taking her armor'd samus aran-esque appearance and replacing it with the generic skin tight body suite, still baffled by this

Kaisa suffers from the same, her void symbiote looking like something you'd see in rule 34 rather than as living eldritch body armor

Pyke Neeko are alright Pyke looking like he's from bilge water pretty distinctly and neeko giving us more insight into the inhabitants of runeterras jungles. I think in the case of neeko they could have gone with the concept art to a greater degree shown here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YaBqgX To make her walk the line between creepy and cute more than just generic naive sweetheart character because frackly league has enough of those.

Back to qiyana from the look of her splash art she seems like she is going to be sassy due to the pose the artist picked to represent her which is alright since the last female champ we had to fill that role Xayah and it can work well and be clever so long as she doesn't feel like a watered down version of her predecessors. Her visual design is very striking though and the jokes regarding he looking like a hodgepodge of skins hold some merit, with her design both not doing enough to catch the viewers eye and too much with choice of colors on her specifically regarding her white hair and green attire it just clashes a lot and a small edit some one made to change to blackish brown made her look a lot more feasible.

Edit: I would like to remind everyone regarding Kaisa, the critisism regarding her wasnt about her having her tiddies out it was regarding the fact that she walked out the void with a skin tight body suit like shes ready for a day at the beach without a scar on her immaculate makeup and hair. This is in fact the same void that AurelionSol struggled to close the rift of, the same void that corrupted the ascended at the end of the war in icathia.

The one that horribly disfigures the beings it comes into contact with, Kaisa doesn't look nearly as battle hardened and weary as she should for having to travel the void alone, there is a grand disconnect between her character and her back story.

152 Comments

Kelg54 votes

I like how my brother described Sylas: "Dude in jeans"

And yeah Kayle's redesign is tragic, old one was much better.

LMAOOOOOO26 votes

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I like how my brother described Sylas: "Dude in jeans"

And yeah Kayle's redesign is tragic, old one was much better.

LMAO, I like to refer to Sylas as "homeless yasuo"

Ayzev17 votes

Isn't Yasuo himself technically homeless?

FlameHalbrdOkido2 votes

lets keep in mind they needed to slim Kayle down to match her gameplay, old Kayle looks like a tank, but the new Kayle just went TOO far in reducing the armor, they just needed to make the armor look more sleek,

R107 Games35 votes

All you did was downplay the 4 champions you consider to be a dull design. You can do this with any character:

Yasuo samurai with sword

Camille cyborg with scissor legs

AurelionSol dragon with powers

Galio statue with wings

Jhin masked man with gun

Sion undead man with axe

Yorick gravedigger with shovel

Fucking etcetera

OtakuBurrito6 votes

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All you did was downplay the 4 champions you consider to be a dull design. You can do this with any character:

Yasuo weeb magnet

Camille vi/j4 had a baby

AurelionSol drake rework 1.0

Galio watched too much gargoyles

Jhin she doesn't even go here

Sion detal metal concert

Yorick me in the morning

Fucking etcetera

FTFY

Wyrmblade8 votes

You just proved that they're more interesting even on the most basic and stripped down level conceivable.

Baa Woof22 votes

I think one of the most unique characters in LoL is Kindred .

I really hate reading books, okay it is not on a really “hate” level, but I would rather watch a movie. But, I could read about these two for hours, days, weeks, or even years. When it comes to them I really like reading anything about them, they are so unique, mysterious and have the coolest looks on the drawings (Talking about good death). You can tell them apart so well, Lamb likes to take things more slowly, and finish them of without causing pain, meanwhile Big Bad Wolf is like, kill it, I want to see them suffer. Man, I just can’t get enough of these two.

The skill set requires both parts to work together. You need to use W to make the Q better, and you can use your "empowered" Q to catch up and stack the E up. The ultimate is really "special" it effects both teams, and you don't know the out come.

The passive is also interesting, you can choose what you want to do, farm it on champions, or counter jungle or both.

They are not popular, because there are just better and easier champions to play(so why bother learning a harder one).

They are more than 3 years old now, kinda forgotten, but when it comes to looks, and skill set I think you can't really compare them to anyone and they still hold up really well.

Of course, this comment is coming out of someones mouth who hasn't played anything else for ~2 years now.

dome0255 votes

Perhaps an unpopular opinion but I think the reason that Kindred isn´t more popular is the champs poor execution and not because there are better and easier champs too play.

You refer to them as they but most refer to them as her and it has a reason. Everything is centered around lamb (visual- and gameplaywise). They should be the runeterra version of the grim reaper, yet they actively extend peoples life (at least ingame). And at least I believe a grim reaper doesn´t do this, the reaper might spare you because it isn´t your time yet but he does not actively save anyone.

Then there are gameplay problems which should have been seen before the release of the champ. She has a farming passive which randomly marks neutral and enemy jungle camps and she needs those stacks to get a strong late. But for those marks she needs a decent/strong early as well or/and good mates who picked champs which have lane priority.

Otherwise I would say there are other characters which are as unique as her or even more unique (Zac,etc.).

Smurfraka16 votes

Caitlyn woman with gun and poor fashion sense

Rengar cat that isn't even blue

Renekton Nasus these two are LITERALLY just bipedal animals. The furries on deviantart would scoff.

Tryndamere Garen guys with swords

You can play this game with any champ. I will agree Sylas is boring though.

Old Kayle was also just a generic suit of armor, so idk what the deal is there.

Camille Ferrøs13 votes

I really don't know what is going on. They have characters like Jhin, Swain (from recent years) and they have characters like Yuumi, Kai'sa, and Sylas. I really don't understand. How is this possible. The only thing I can think of is that some Rioter care more about the art and the creation itself. While others just care about what the bigger masses want...

Marshbouy13 votes

I was honestly annoyed to learn that the new champ is just "hot girl in skin tight clothing" again.

General Esdeath 11 votes

I don't know what people expected from Kaisa. She's wearing a small voidling like the ones Malzahar summons. It's not gonna be some big void dragon with 5 eyes and death spikes. She "killed" it as a child. If it was some mighty warrior like Aatrox Darius Garen Hecarim then yeah I could see some big horrific creature.

Kaisa wants to blend in and be able to hide as a small child, so of course it's going to be slim and focus on blending in, not sticking out.

I'd expect a guy version of Kaisa to look like this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metalgear/images/7/79/MGS1_Snake.png/revision/latest?cb=20190428033925

Not this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avatar/images/8/84/Aang%27s_armor.png/revision/latest?cb=20140905231942

Jhins Girlfriend14 votes

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I don't know what people expected from Kaisa. She's wearing a small voidling like the ones Malzahar summons. It's not gonna be some big void dragon with 5 eyes and death spikes. She "killed" it as a child. If it was some mighty warrior like Aatrox Darius Garen Hecarim then yeah I could see some big horrific creature.

Kaisa wants to blend in and be able to hide as a small child, so of course it's going to be slim and focus on blending in, not sticking out.

I'd expect a guy version of Kaisa to look like this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metalgear/images/7/79/MGS1_Snake.png/revision/latest?cb=20190428033925

Not this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avatar/images/8/84/Aang%27s_armor.png/revision/latest?cb=20140905231942

That doesn't explain where she learned to do a perfect face of makeup while in the void, lol

General Esdeath 2 votes

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That doesn't explain where she learned to do a perfect face of makeup while in the void, lol

That's not make up on her face

those purple marks are void corruption

She's got a man face

Jhins Girlfriend8 votes

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That's not make up on her face

those purple marks are void corruption

She's got a man face

.. She has eyeliner on, you can even see it in her splash.

Leetri3 votes

More or less every single female character in visual media wears eyeliner, Kai'Sa is no exception.

njrk979 votes

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I don't know what people expected from Kaisa. She's wearing a small voidling like the ones Malzahar summons. It's not gonna be some big void dragon with 5 eyes and death spikes. She "killed" it as a child. If it was some mighty warrior like Aatrox Darius Garen Hecarim then yeah I could see some big horrific creature.

Kaisa wants to blend in and be able to hide as a small child, so of course it's going to be slim and focus on blending in, not sticking out.

I'd expect a guy version of Kaisa to look like this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metalgear/images/7/79/MGS1_Snake.png/revision/latest?cb=20190428033925

Not this https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avatar/images/8/84/Aang%27s_armor.png/revision/latest?cb=20140905231942

As mentioned the issue is, she look like a purple champ, not something that survived in the void. The void is a horrifying and dangerous place that drives people mad simply seeing the portals., you then have Kai Sai waltz out in her tight suit, with immaculate makeup and a perfect little model face, no damage, no scars, no void corruption. She doesn't look traveled or like she has seen so much as a blade her entire life. She looks more like what a fashion show would make 'inspired' by the void.

Her attractiveness and her design seems to exist in direct contradiction to everything the void seemed to represent. She feels like they decided to make a sexy champ, then slapped the void theme on after the fact.

General Esdeath 2 votes

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As mentioned the issue is, she look like a purple champ, not something that survived in the void. The void is a horrifying and dangerous place that drives people mad simply seeing the portals., you then have Kai Sai waltz out in her tight suit, with immaculate makeup and a perfect little model face, no damage, no scars, no void corruption. She doesn't look traveled or like she has seen so much as a blade her entire life. She looks more like what a fashion show would make 'inspired' by the void.

Her attractiveness and her design seems to exist in direct contradiction to everything the void seemed to represent. She feels like they decided to make a sexy champ, then slapped the void theme on after the fact.

I always imagined the void is purple since, you know, everything it touches is purple. I think they just chalk it up to natural beauty and she's not scarred because she has full armor, including a helmet. The suit has been on her for years, almost her whole life in there. She's corrupted though. Listen closely when she uses E to speed up and turn invisible, she's panting because she's channeling whatever void corruption she has. She's in a similar situation as Kassadin, it's only prolonged. Most of it is mental though.

She's supposed to look normal to show how good of a hunter she is to get out of there just fine. Look at Kha. The guy isn't some amalgamation of everything he's killed, he looks fine. Malzahar looked pretty fine pre-rework. His skin looked aight, and that man channels the void every minute.

Leetri2 votes

Even now, Malzahar only has glowing eyes and Kassadin is just blue with rippling hot abs. Why aren't people complaining that Kassadin isn't scarred and horribly disfigured? He's been down there too, and he didn't have the benefit of an exosuit impervious to the Void's influence.

General Esdeath 2 votes

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Even now, Malzahar only has glowing eyes and Kassadin is just blue with rippling hot abs. Why aren't people complaining that Kassadin isn't scarred and horribly disfigured? He's been down there too, and he didn't have the benefit of an exosuit impervious to the Void's influence.

I said pre-rework. New Malz is, iirc, supposed to just be someone who heard the void and gave in to it. Old Malz seemed to walk in and out of the void town of Icathia, and was filled with void essence.

Kassadin has gear that delays him from being corrupted, it's slowing the process but not preventing it.

People seem to accept these just fine but don't seem to accept that Kai'Sa has a full suit to stop the void from corrupting her and saving her from being horribly scarred/disfigured.

njrk971 votes

As others mentioned Kassadin and Mal are rather older champions who could both use a touch up, but independent of that, notice how both of them have something that at least makes them look like they were affected by the void. Malzhar has the weird glowing void symbol thing in his head and his eyes glow with a unnatural void energy. Kassadin has a mechanical suit thing that was based around helping him survive in the void, even then his eyes or the mask once again glows yellow, his skin has turned blue and so on. Both of them feature some form of a physical alteration, some sign that the void has affected them.

Kai Sai walked out of years of exposure with a immaculate pedicure,perfect unblemished skin,brushed hair and a tasteful Vline for her suit. With the closest thing to a actual corruption the war pain markings she has perfectly applied to her face.

My issue with her is again how completely unimportant the void as a environment was to her, a place of cosmic horrors that drives many people mad at the mere sight of the portals feels a little less threatening when someone who survived in it walks out look ready to walk the runway.

It can be justified left and right but its just not that strong of a thematic Motif, considering the role the void plays having it be the theme for a cosplay champ doesn't really make sense, and yes of course it works both ways in terms of Mal and Kass but as you said, they have stuff like blue skin and glowing eyes, so why didn't Kai Sai, why not discolor her skin make it look more insectoid or turn the whites of her eyes black and give her glowing eyes. Do something, anything that thematically ties her into the other humans exposed to the void.

General Esdeath 2 votes

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As others mentioned Kassadin and Mal are rather older champions who could both use a touch up, but independent of that, notice how both of them have something that at least makes them look like they were affected by the void. Malzhar has the weird glowing void symbol thing in his head and his eyes glow with a unnatural void energy. Kassadin has a mechanical suit thing that was based around helping him survive in the void, even then his eyes or the mask once again glows yellow, his skin has turned blue and so on. Both of them feature some form of a physical alteration, some sign that the void has affected them.

I thought Kassadin's mask always glowed because he needs to see in the dark void

Kai Sai walked out of years of exposure with a immaculate pedicure,perfect unblemished skin,brushed hair and a tasteful Vline for her suit. With the closest thing to a actual corruption the war pain markings she has perfectly applied to her face.

Kai'Sa seems mentally damaged, and her eyes shouldn't be yellow (unless Kassadin has yellow eyes), it's possible that exposure at a young age works different, or being inside a voidling just makes you immune.

My issue with her is again how completely unimportant the void as a environment was to her, a place of cosmic horrors that drives many people mad at the mere sight of the portals feels a little less threatening when someone who survived in it walks out look ready to walk the runway.

Maybe it's because I think her face is manly but I feel like she doesn't look as pretty as people think. And she does seem to be driven mad by the void, just in a violent way rather than people like Jax's soldiers who just lose their memory and go insane.

It can be justified left and right but its just not that strong of a thematic Motif, considering the role the void plays having it be the theme for a cosplay champ doesn't really make sense, and yes of course it works both ways in terms of Mal and Kass but as you said, they have stuff like blue skin and glowing eyes, so why didn't Kai Sai, why not discolor her skin make it look more insectoid or turn the whites of her eyes black and give her glowing eyes. Do something, anything that thematically ties her into the other humans exposed to the void.

I would like her to have more, but I think they were trying to imply that her suit is void proof.

Towboat4212 votes

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Even now, Malzahar only has glowing eyes and Kassadin is just blue with rippling hot abs. Why aren't people complaining that Kassadin isn't scarred and horribly disfigured? He's been down there too, and he didn't have the benefit of an exosuit impervious to the Void's influence.

Actually the reason im ok with them is because those champs are as old as dirt and came from a time where the void was something different to what it is now, back when the institute of war was still you know a thing. I think they both need updates kass especially since his audio doesnt sync up at all with his current character but there are other champs that need it more urgently.

Leetri2 votes

My main problem being that people use Malzahar and Kassadin as examples of what the Void does to you to discredit Kai'Sa, when they in actuality just show that Kai'Sa isn't as egregious as they claim.

youngdrago5 votes

I’m kinda confused. Where exactly would you even see the scars? Her whole body is covered in a suit that repairs it’s self I believe so where would you see the scars? Plus she’s had a helmet so of course her face would look fine. I’m pretty sure she’s disfigured Under the suit but how would riot show that given her whole design revolves around d her wearing a suit. Also you guys act like she was in the void it self when the story makes it clear she was at the edge in some cave and shit. If you want a disfigured void character play Kassadin who actually dived into the void

AbiwonKenabi10 votes

I have mixed feelings on this. Kai'Sa was the last huge disappointment from a design perspective for me. I've warmed up a little to her and come to appreciate her more quiet, optimistic personality, but I feel like she could have been more creepy and fearsome. I feel like she should have earned her status as "scary to most normal people" a little more in her design.

Everyone else is either fine or good. Pyke is really creepy, sleek and cool. He looks like a native of Bilgewater, as OP said, and he's got a really neat splash art. I could imagine him frequenting the place of his splash to add to his list. They could have easily just made him a fish man, but I think animation and voice do a lot for the character as well.

Neeko, similarly is well-designed. She feels a little alien, but still cute and relatable. All the concepts from the page you linked really ended up looking similar to the final product, so I don't really see her looking that much different even if they went with a different idea. Her colors are great, her VO is adorable and hilarious and I can't wait to see her interact with more people in the lore. If only she didn't have a horrifying color story.

I think people are overstating how "bad" or "generic" Kayle's redesign is. She IS wearing armor, but they lightened the armor up to indicate that she's not that tanky, which is sensible. The biggest sin of this decision was that in-game the armor reads more like a body suit, but that doesn't mean she's NOT wearing armor. Even beyond that, she kept the basic elements of her old design (armored, helmeted angel smiting her foes with a fiery sword) and I like the added effect of her design evolution throughout an individual game. I like the added wings as she becomes stronger. I liked old Kayle design, but I think new Kayle is good, too.

I love Yuumi's VO, I just think Yuumi in general is a design that doesn't appeal to everyone. Like most designs in this game. With Yuumi in particular, you either like her design, or you think its generic. You can argue that she's "just a cat" all you like, but you can do that for a lot of characters. Anivia "She's just a bird" Annie "She's just a little girl with powers" Kayle "She's just an armored angel" (old OR new). Some people are going to love those designs, and others are going to think they are generic. The fact is, I've never seen a cat that uses a book as part of its power set, and Yuumi's lore even helped expand a bit of Runeterra's lore as a whole. So I think overall she was a fine addition.

Same could be said for Sylas. Its easy enough to boil down his design to "shirtless dude with chains" but the chains themselves are the stars here, as they are the main part of his kit and the main part of his lore. He's a Demacian that no longer wants to associate with the establishment, so he appropriately only has the Demacian-like chains, and nothing else. He isn't heavily armored, he isn't going to be wearing any Demacian colors or symbols other than the ones he is stuck with (the chains). I can't explain the shirtlessness though. He also has this really cruel laugh and really cruel smile to match, something that contributes to his now cruel personality. His design is fine.

You forgot to mention Mordekaiser, whose new design drew inspiration from Gothic architecture and is a great update to the old Morde look. I think he's definitely a good design.

So, imo we have disappointing Kaisa fine Yuumi Sylas Kayle and really good Mordekaiser Neeko Pyke . So I'd say its about half and half. Its honestly about the same as their usual output, design-wise. Look at 2016 Champs as an example: usually they have a few human-like Champions (Jhin Taliyah Camille ) and a few more quirky or out-there designs (AurelionSol Kled Ivern ). Its a good thing visual design is not the only thing going for a Champion, since I think Jhin, Taliyah and Ivern all get their core appeal more from their personality or gameplay, while having a design that's well suited for that personality or gameplay. I think that may be the case for our new Champion.

Towboat4212 votes

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I have mixed feelings on this. Kai'Sa was the last huge disappointment from a design perspective for me. I've warmed up a little to her and come to appreciate her more quiet, optimistic personality, but I feel like she could have been more creepy and fearsome. I feel like she should have earned her status as "scary to most normal people" a little more in her design.

Everyone else is either fine or good. Pyke is really creepy, sleek and cool. He looks like a native of Bilgewater, as OP said, and he's got a really neat splash art. I could imagine him frequenting the place of his splash to add to his list. They could have easily just made him a fish man, but I think animation and voice do a lot for the character as well.

Neeko, similarly is well-designed. She feels a little alien, but still cute and relatable. All the concepts from the page you linked really ended up looking similar to the final product, so I don't really see her looking that much different even if they went with a different idea. Her colors are great, her VO is adorable and hilarious and I can't wait to see her interact with more people in the lore. If only she didn't have a horrifying color story.

I think people are overstating how "bad" or "generic" Kayle's redesign is. She IS wearing armor, but they lightened the armor up to indicate that she's not that tanky, which is sensible. The biggest sin of this decision was that in-game the armor reads more like a body suit, but that doesn't mean she's NOT wearing armor. Even beyond that, she kept the basic elements of her old design (armored, helmeted angel smiting her foes with a fiery sword) and I like the added effect of her design evolution throughout an individual game. I like the added wings as she becomes stronger. I liked old Kayle design, but I think new Kayle is good, too.

I love Yuumi's VO, I just think Yuumi in general is a design that doesn't appeal to everyone. Like most designs in this game. With Yuumi in particular, you either like her design, or you think its generic. You can argue that she's "just a cat" all you like, but you can do that for a lot of characters. Anivia "She's just a bird" Annie "She's just a little girl with powers" Kayle "She's just an armored angel" (old OR new). Some people are going to love those designs, and others are going to think they are generic. The fact is, I've never seen a cat that uses a book as part of its power set, and Yuumi's lore even helped expand a bit of Runeterra's lore as a whole. So I think overall she was a fine addition.

Same could be said for Sylas. Its easy enough to boil down his design to "shirtless dude with chains" but the chains themselves are the stars here, as they are the main part of his kit and the main part of his lore. He's a Demacian that no longer wants to associate with the establishment, so he appropriately only has the Demacian-like chains, and nothing else. He isn't heavily armored, he isn't going to be wearing any Demacian colors or symbols other than the ones he is stuck with (the chains). I can't explain the shirtlessness though. He also has this really cruel laugh and really cruel smile to match, something that contributes to his now cruel personality. His design is fine.

You forgot to mention Mordekaiser, whose new design drew inspiration from Gothic architecture and is a great update to the old Morde look. I think he's definitely a good design.

So, imo we have disappointing Kaisa fine Yuumi Sylas Kayle and really good Mordekaiser Neeko Pyke . So I'd say its about half and half. Its honestly about the same as their usual output, design-wise. Look at 2016 Champs as an example: usually they have a few human-like Champions (Jhin Taliyah Camille ) and a few more quirky or out-there designs (AurelionSol Kled Ivern ). Its a good thing visual design is not the only thing going for a Champion, since I think Jhin, Taliyah and Ivern all get their core appeal more from their personality or gameplay, while having a design that's well suited for that personality or gameplay. I think that may be the case for our new Champion.

I can respect you opinion on yummi but i think you are missing my complaint with her, it isnt me looking at her and saying that a cat and thats it. A lot of ther voice lines are references to the fact that shes a cat, doing generic cat stuff so it feels like she is focucing on being a trope more so then being a character you get me? Like her taunt is "you look like unscratched furniture" its clear that its a design to appeal to same people who really enjoy those cat stickers you know the ones, she just feels pretty empty in terms of character design compared to a lot of other characters riot has made.

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

That's a fair critique. I think the impact her lore has made on the rest of the world is more valuable than what Yuumi's personality brings, but for what she is, she is enjoyable. I was mainly addressing a pretty common criticism of Yuumi I've seen around here: "she's just a cat". Which, if they were going for purely that, they would have given her a kit that reflects her cat-ness, but they didn't. They gave her the kit of a magical companion instead, and that's where her character focus is: on being a companion for her lost Yordle master (and other friends she finds along the way).

Towboat4211 votes

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That's a fair critique. I think the impact her lore has made on the rest of the world is more valuable than what Yuumi's personality brings, but for what she is, she is enjoyable. I was mainly addressing a pretty common criticism of Yuumi I've seen around here: "she's just a cat". Which, if they were going for purely that, they would have given her a kit that reflects her cat-ness, but they didn't. They gave her the kit of a magical companion instead, and that's where her character focus is: on being a companion for her lost Yordle master (and other friends she finds along the way).

Yeah i suppose but as AurelionSol says "I Tried to like you"

I wanted to like yummi and was honestly surprise it was a guy thought it was going to be an old male pocket follower like yoda but the cat thing just didnt grab me.

Blåsigt2 votes

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Yeah i suppose but as AurelionSol says "I Tried to like you"

I wanted to like yummi and was honestly surprise it was a guy thought it was going to be an old male pocket follower like yoda but the cat thing just didnt grab me.

The cat thing is not for me either, but I suppose we were not in Yummi's target demographic, which is fine by me. (This game has a huge roster, so one champion not being intended for me is a-okay.)

WAZZZUP5004 votes

Everybody complaining about sylas not having a shirt; y'all realize that there is no way sylas would be able to fit into a shirt with those chain gauntlets on his arms. very realistic design, thank you riot for attention to detail.

Whyte Lyon9 votes

Kayle redesign was probably the worst offender taking her armor'd samus aran-esque appearance and replacing it with the generic skin tight body suite.

Mate, you must understand. Sometimes Riot wants to design an armor-clad warrior angle, but they literally can't make it too bulky as she simply doesn't have a tank playstyle nor builds off tank item sets. To ignore that limitation just to give her a much more realistic armor design is to break the rules of visual/design communication and the importance it has. Her armor's design had to represent something far deeper than just the aesthetic.

But y'know. That fact doesnt register for most players. Of course not. It's easier to fit your version of the narrative by presuming devs that worked on her are just asshole who don't know anything.

Towboat4219 votes

[{quoted}](name=Whyte Lyon,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GzJwvnWE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-07T00:28:23.344+0000)

Mate, you must understand. Sometimes Riot wants to design an armor-clad warrior angle, but they literally can't make it too bulky as she simply doesn't have a tank playstyle nor builds off tank item sets. To ignore that limitation just to give her a much more realistic armor design is to break the rules of visual/design communication and the importance it has. Her armor's design had to represent something far deeper than just the aesthetic.

But y'know. That fact doesnt register for most players. Of course not. It's easier to fit your version of the narrative by presuming devs that worked on her are just asshole who don't know anything.

it worked prior to her rework where she wasnt a tanky character at all and dint convey that idea in the slightest you argument hinges on people being complete simpletons who are incapable of associating a champions silleute with a certain playstyle. Your defense of this generic character design is incredibly one dimensional and filled with an undertone of snobbish cynicism toward to community, people are allowed to have views that dont always praise a creator thats how artist improve you wanker.

AbiwonKenabi5 votes

I mean, I'm not really sure that Kayle's design worked to show what kind of character she was as far as gameplay is concerned. I've been playing the game for years, so I personally take for granted that Kayle isn't tanky. Would someone who had no idea peg Kayle as a tanky character? Traditional design practices indicate that they would think she is a little bulkier than most, which would be wrong.

I like old Kayle design, but you are kidding yourself if you think it is less generic than the new one. I also like the new one, and I don't think either design is as generic as you are making them out to be. A winged, armored angel isn't exactly ground-breaking. Of the top of my head, several Shin Megami Tensei enemies are armored angels, at least one of which is a woman, and they have been around for a while. Magic the Gathering has some armored angels (I don't play Magic, so I couldn't name a specific one, but I know they exist). Armored angels are a beloved, awesome trope, but they have the potential to be generic, like any other trope. Old Kayle's design isn't immune from that.

Edit: I reread my own argument and felt like it was confusing. My main point was that both old Kayle and new Kayle designs are about equally generic. Old Kayle could easily blend in with many other "armored angel" designs and new Kayle has enough similarities to do the same. That is not to say that either are entirely generic, just that neither is that much more unique than the other.

Blåsigt5 votes

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I mean, I'm not really sure that Kayle's design worked to show what kind of character she was as far as gameplay is concerned. I've been playing the game for years, so I personally take for granted that Kayle isn't tanky. Would someone who had no idea peg Kayle as a tanky character? Traditional design practices indicate that they would think she is a little bulkier than most, which would be wrong.

I like old Kayle design, but you are kidding yourself if you think it is less generic than the new one. I also like the new one, and I don't think either design is as generic as you are making them out to be. A winged, armored angel isn't exactly ground-breaking. Of the top of my head, several Shin Megami Tensei enemies are armored angels, at least one of which is a woman, and they have been around for a while. Magic the Gathering has some armored angels (I don't play Magic, so I couldn't name a specific one, but I know they exist). Armored angels are a beloved, awesome trope, but they have the potential to be generic, like any other trope. Old Kayle's design isn't immune from that.

Edit: I reread my own argument and felt like it was confusing. My main point was that both old Kayle and new Kayle designs are about equally generic. Old Kayle could easily blend in with many other "armored angel" designs and new Kayle has enough similarities to do the same. That is not to say that either are entirely generic, just that neither is that much more unique than the other.

I, too, think that Kayle's old design was incredibly misleading - a full suit of plate armor suggests that she should be played as a tank. I think the new design is fine. I do think, however, that her color scheme color scheme might be throwing people off.

Leetri4 votes

There's at least a good 20-30 angels in MTG that looks like old Kayle. They look cool, but incredibly generic.

WAZZZUP5004 votes

Haha you fool! You lose! When I started playing league, I though kayle was a tank. She was literally the only fully armored female champ besides Leona, who is a tank, and that perpetuates the misconception. Although I'm not a fan of the reworked design, I understand why they got rid of the armor. I don't think you have much of a mind for visual design...

njrk976 votes

Now i may just be speaking out my ass but it seems like everything has been somewhat 'less' this year, once again speculation but was it not the case that financially riot did not too super great last year and it seems like alot of stuff happening right now reflects the sorta kneejerk 'gotta turn a profit or daddy tencent wont be happy', i mean look at it.

Glorified, overpriced,overcharged gold chromas are added to every new skin line now

Quite a harder emphasis on popular champs getting skins with stuff like Lux and Ez double dipping,Jhin getting his legendary and the ever popular Tristana getting a skin choice as opposed to a decidedly more obscure character.

Significantly less tertiary content being added alongside new skin lines and instead the lines are simply dropped without much fanfare, in comparison to earlier years when entire maps, events or at least animations were made.

More questionable balance decisions, buffing or leaving popular champs in stronger states.

Even small stuff now like how the Essence emporium doesn't let you get default skin chromas for BE, so if nothing you already invested in the skin.

Much Safer champion designs and releases so that the champs made are still somewhat popular due to either being attractive, or 'cute', with the deviations from this having powerful kits to compensate (Pyke) or amping up the 'cool and flashy' factor.

Event passes for everything

It just seems like to me that Riot had a bad financial year last year and have either been told or chose to turn into damage control mode making sure they are making plenty of content that will guarantee to sell well, while cutting down on extraneous or other things that don't turn that profit (animations, maps, events).

This new champ is just another step in that, making another standard attractive champ so they know that they can safely sell them, while pushing Morde to the side since reworks may not sell as much skins and stuff, since people already own the champ and their skins.

I suspect this year is going to be the Year of being Safe, we are not going to get crazy animations or events, or super creative champs, we are going to get stuff that is going to turn them a nice profit consistently so they can go back to tencent at the end and show that they can still make bank. So more popular champs, more Popular champs leading skin lines, more Popular champs double dipping prestige skins and more boring and somewhat safe designs that will keep their profit margins nice and straight.

Lewd Interlude2 votes

Wait so Qiyana's wacky kit is safe? ooook I will agree that lux and ez getting 100 skins is a bit... (Insert any colorful word here.) Still I don't think things NEED to be flashy or crazy. Over all the complaints about Qi are lame, just about every dude in the game is jacked and fit, girls are slim with tight clothes blah blah but it's the way it is. IMO as long as the champ has personality and you can vibe with it that's the important selling point. Jhin is the best example of this, I hate his in game look on his classic skin. The thing on his arm is whatever, but MAN do you FEEL like you're playing a psycho. From his lines to the music, to his whistle then his twisted laugh. Jhin pulls you into his character and is a great example of what a champion can be.

JackMcCarry6 votes

MonkeyKing is a monkey with a stick Caitlyn is a girl with a sniper rifle Ashe is a girl with a bow Malphite is a rock Maokai is a tree Riven is a girl with a sword old Kayle is a flying angel with a sword Anivia is an ice bird

Wow! almost like if you boil down every champ into it's most basic forms they are dull!

LetsGetHIvern6 votes

Idk Ivern is pretty amazing

ModCaptainMårvelous5 votes

Really disagree with these overgeneralizations. While I do think Sylas and Qiyara are boring, I think you're overselling how "bland" Yuumi is. While Kayle is indeed problematic, her design is more "missed chance" than "outright bland".

There are always going to be some characters who people consider bland because some people lean more toward one or the other direction. Hell, Morde is about as generic "Dark Knight-y" as you can get but people still love him.

Celestial Lion123 votes

You try making 150 unique and interesting characters

Towboat4217 votes

[{quoted}](name=Celestial Lion12,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GzJwvnWE,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2019-06-07T04:31:24.014+0000)

You try making 150 unique and interesting characters

If you dont like it do better isnt a valid response to criticism nice try though

WAZZZUP5002 votes

I think he's just trying to get you to stop and think about the difficulty of the creative process when it's carried on for so, so long.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

is just a really buff dude in chains which doesn't exactly scream interesting character no real stand out features besides his shackles Is intended to be an escaped convict leading a revolution.

suffers from the same, her void symbiote looking like something you'd see in rule 34 rather than as living eldritch body armor Is intended to be a high speed marksman, and seriously, you can cover up the chest with her helmet. How are people still offended by the cleavage?

Towboat42118 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GzJwvnWE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-07T00:30:16.707+0000)

Is intended to be an escaped convict leading a revolution. Is intended to be a high speed marksman, and seriously, you can cover up the chest with her helmet. How are people still offended by the cleavage?

No ones offended its just dull if you could read you'd understand the complaint rather than making a strawman argument of the critques with these champions. Also maybe you should learn to format your comment correctly before you get snarky with some one on the boards so they actually read what you are trying to drool out.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

Calling something dull is not being offended? You even called Kayle’s design the worst offender. There’s a reason why Riot chose these designs. I don’t even like all of them but I try to understand their mind set first.

Chiyohitplayboi3 votes

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No ones offended its just dull if you could read you'd understand the complaint rather than making a strawman argument of the critques with these champions. Also maybe you should learn to format your comment correctly before you get snarky with some one on the boards so they actually read what you are trying to drool out.

That's an opinion my dude. I happen to like most of the champion designs. I think you're just being contrarian, because it's the hot thing to not enjoy conventionally attractive humanoids nowa days. But that's just my opinion and guess brah.

You'll get that female gragas someday bro.

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