Ranked is more about hoping you didnt get a terrible teamate

Towboat421·Aug 26, 2018·109 votes·21,555 views

More so than worrying about actual strategy and outplay, Losses always seem to boil down to that one guy deciding to give you the "next" and run it down their lane so the enemy is strong enough to end the game out.

Happens to me and the enemy in my ranked games.

The enemy team had a viegar who when he died he'd just type "zzzz" or "i dont wanna play anymore", and people will stand behind these people regardless of how obvious it is that they are intentionally trying to ruin the game for their teamates. It's so damn frustrating dealing with these people when you know for a fact they won't get banned hell they know it too theyll say as much in chat.

I had to make a ticket the other day cause a duo bot ran it down and ended up 0/10/0 before the 7 minute mark one started just stacking faier charms and spamming emotes. I don't get why trolling like that is so lightly punished in a game that towts being competetive as a focus.

130 Comments

The Highest NoonAug 26, 201835 votes

No no, Ranked is about who has the most skill. If you can't solo carry your game and bring everyone together and dominate every lane, you deserve to lose.

[sarcasm]

Towboat421Aug 27, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gn8bGFWx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-26T19:40:59.230+0000)

No no, Ranked is about who has the most skill. If you can't solo carry your game and bring everyone together and dominate every lane, you deserve to lose.

[sarcasm]

It's sad cause you are joking but some people will swear by this style of thinking like your are somehow supposed to outplay your enemies and somehow compensate for all your teammates short comings.

TheCodeisCupCakeAug 26, 201827 votes

I fucking had a Diana that at minute 1 ran back to fountain and typed, 'gotta go fuck my wife' and left the game. What the fuck?

CharDeeMcDennizAug 26, 201831 votes

i can't say i blame him if it's true...

sutora3Aug 26, 201839 votes

-league player -married pick one

exiledFromBadmenAug 26, 20185 votes

Knowing a married League player couple, one can pick both.

AneirinAug 27, 201812 votes

Some of us manage to play games and have social skills as well. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Evil Bisex PlantAug 27, 20184 votes

No you don't, one of those things is gonna be garbage if you attempt to.

AneirinAug 27, 201816 votes

Spoken like someone without the latter

ﬂooAug 27, 20184 votes

Works even better if you find said person in league

Rant AwayAug 27, 20182 votes

Meeting someone on league just sounds masochistic*[sg-zephyr]*

ﬂooAug 28, 20181 votes

So you call me a masochist, eh?

Rant AwayAug 28, 20181 votes

yus

ﬂooAug 28, 20183 votes

Rude [cass-cry]

edoxbox1Aug 29, 20182 votes

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ﬂooAug 29, 20182 votes

Oh hell yea

Toxic DianaAug 27, 20184 votes

Excuse me?

This Is Your DadAug 27, 20182 votes

Lol no one caught that. I see it though.

Toxic DianaAug 27, 20182 votes

I don't know what they're talking about, I'm an open lesbian and I'm reserved for Leona.

This Is Your DadAug 27, 20186 votes

As much as I regret diana and leona being lesbians, I wouldn't have a chance anyway. Girls always say I'm cute, but they're not into mushrooms. Maybe I can watch?

Toxic DianaAug 27, 20182 votes

You’ll have to ask Leona, she’s the dominant one x

Dat KatAug 26, 20185 votes

I agree with the title, there's always a chance of getting that "WTF ?!?! AUTOFILL" yasuo player on every queue.

Terrifying.

Bayo23Aug 27, 20185 votes

League is a coin flip game. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2852238979/234371946?tab=overview

Tundra HunterAug 27, 20182 votes

It is... The thing is, over a large amount of game, it's about how you can deal with tilt.

Often, my first game of the day I perform great. Sometime we win... but sometime I have a game just like your Zed 11/0/2 loss game. This tilts me, and I will play a second game, where I guess I perform okay but probably less than in the first because I am a bit tilted that I just lost a free win. If I lose that second game... I might start a tilt spree loss streak...

Then another I'll win the first, and win the second, third, fourth... starting a win streak.

It's crazy how tilt influence long term rank. Honest without tilt I would be diamond (been mid plat since s4). But tilts kills me... without me even noticing. Because of these coinflip games that have much more impact than a 1 time unlucky loss.

So statistically this work in our advantage? I actually don't think so...

CharDeeMcDennizAug 26, 20183 votes

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and people will stand behind these people regardless of how obvious it is that they are intentionally trying to ruin the game for their teamates.

who is standing behind them?

we see dozens of these posts a week and the response is pretty consistent

Towboat421Aug 26, 20188 votes

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who is standing behind them?

we see dozens of these posts a week and the response is pretty consistent

There will always be those apologists even in the posts you are mentioning, people who will try to write of inting as just a bad game even when people are being provably toxic in game. Seeing someone play devils advocate on their behalf is nearly as frustrating as having these people in your games, some people are genuinely that delusional.

CharDeeMcDennizAug 26, 20184 votes

if they are they are the extreme minority

most people are of the mindset that its simply too difficult to detect with an automated system

but alot of people who are in games with the trolls want that "instant gratification" of seeing people punished instantly for in-game offenses outside of chat which, quite simply, is not going to happen

as has been said before, RIOT will not risk punishing innocent people just to appease a lynch mob

Towboat421Aug 26, 20185 votes

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if they are they are the extreme minority

most people are of the mindset that its simply too difficult to detect with an automated system

but alot of people who are in games with the trolls want that "instant gratification" of seeing people punished instantly for in-game offenses outside of chat which, quite simply, is not going to happen

as has been said before, RIOT will not risk punishing innocent people just to appease a lynch mob

Maybe so but I think one is too many, people cant seriously defend those people not without it being at the expense of the games overall quality.

And yeah you make a point instant gratification wont happen but what I personally am tired of is seeing someone throw in my game then looking at their match history and seeing strings of matches like it. At that point it isn't an accident and personally I think going below a certain score on a major loss streak should grant you a temp ban from rank que so as to push people out who get their jollies off of being a nuisance. But that's just me, if they are going to hold the rules of the game in such contempt then I don't think they should be afforded leeway in their defense.

CharDeeMcDennizAug 26, 20182 votes

if someone CONSISTENTLY trolls in-game and is reported, they will be punished sooner or later, there's plenty of example on here of that

the problem is that the manual review process for these people is, from what i have read, at least 2 weeks backlogged

but unfortunately there just no other way to detect the subtle trolling that people are adopting

GarySeagullAug 28, 20182 votes

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There will always be those apologists even in the posts you are mentioning, people who will try to write of inting as just a bad game even when people are being provably toxic in game. Seeing someone play devils advocate on their behalf is nearly as frustrating as having these people in your games, some people are genuinely that delusional.

I generally see it as those people are the ones who like trolling in games and like the fact they can get away with it without penalty 99% of the time.

GarySeagullAug 28, 20183 votes

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who is standing behind them?

we see dozens of these posts a week and the response is pretty consistent

And you see hundreds of posts in those threads that basically say: "LOL get gud scrub" "Learn to carry" "You are less likely to get a troll, lol lol lol" "If you can't carry you deserve to be in silver"

"I've looked at your entire match history, I'm going to completely ignore 95% of the games you played because you did carry but i will hone in on this 1 game where you went 1/3/8 and tell you that's the reason you are in silver without any context of what happened in game"

The Nocturne GodAug 26, 20182 votes

Your statement is only true when you are playing at your skill level. If you are playing under your skill level then your team mates actions will rarely impact your ability to win. The problem is that the majority of people believe their skill level is a lot higher than it actually is.

Proof? Boosting and smurfing exists.

Towboat421Aug 26, 201812 votes

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Your statement is only true when you are playing at your skill level. If you are playing under your skill level then your team mates actions will rarely impact your ability to win. The problem is that the majority of people believe their skill level is a lot higher than it actually is.

Proof? Boosting and smurfing exists.

How is one to two people intentionally throwing a game for the sake of aggravating their allies in any way representative or indicative of the skill levels of the people who are actually trying.

Doing well in your own lane won't counterbalance actual intentional death. Me going 4/0 top lane or 1/0/12 in the jungle is going to do little to stop the kaisa and nami who are off their tits with gold cause bot is just right clicking the enemies turret.

The Nocturne GodAug 26, 20183 votes

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How is one to two people intentionally throwing a game for the sake of aggravating their allies in any way representative or indicative of the skill levels of the people who are actually trying.

Doing well in your own lane won't counterbalance actual intentional death. Me going 4/0 top lane or 1/0/12 in the jungle is going to do little to stop the kaisa and nami who are off their tits with gold cause bot is just right clicking the enemies turret.

Honestly, it is a very simple concept which low elo players typically haven't even started to grasp yet. But basically, a bronze 2 player getting fed will still have a lower GPM than a mid gold player who is just playing average. I'm diamond on my main account, every queue, since s5 [getting diamond in at least 1 queue since s4, plat since s3],. When I play on a smurf,my team mates could be feeding so hard that the enemy yi is 10-0 by 8 minutes, but I'll still have a hjgher GPM from a much superior macro, so I'll be ahead in tems of items. Then you add in mechanics, and really that fed opponent is just a money pot for you since shut down gold.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Honor+ribbon is an example of this when I play in bronze/silver. I easily average around 20 kills on any champion I'm semi competent on, which means my team didn't need to have a positive impact for us to win if I play correctly. You might need to look that account up in game to see match history, just ignore the 3s games.. was trying to teach a friend the mode. My last solo q game was 4v5, the support fed then AFKd, then thr adc fed and afkd, then mid and top, making it essentially a 1v5..still won.

the weeabooAug 27, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gn8bGFWx,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-08-26T22:07:10.722+0000)

Honestly, it is a very simple concept which low elo players typically haven't even started to grasp yet. But basically, a bronze 2 player getting fed will still have a lower GPM than a mid gold player who is just playing average. I'm diamond on my main account, every queue, since s5 [getting diamond in at least 1 queue since s4, plat since s3],. When I play on a smurf,my team mates could be feeding so hard that the enemy yi is 10-0 by 8 minutes, but I'll still have a hjgher GPM from a much superior macro, so I'll be ahead in tems of items. Then you add in mechanics, and really that fed opponent is just a money pot for you since shut down gold.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Honor+ribbon is an example of this when I play in bronze/silver. I easily average around 20 kills on any champion I'm semi competent on, which means my team didn't need to have a positive impact for us to win if I play correctly. You might need to look that account up in game to see match history, just ignore the 3s games.. was trying to teach a friend the mode. My last solo q game was 4v5, the support fed then AFKd, then thr adc fed and afkd, then mid and top, making it essentially a 1v5..still won.

Can’t shut them down when the Nocturne got 4 kills in the early game and now just R, AA, Q me and I’m dead. there’s no outplaying that shit either, mechanic don’t matter when you just get straight oneshotted.

MathgodpiAug 27, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gn8bGFWx,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-26T19:53:50.637+0000)

Your statement is only true when you are playing at your skill level. If you are playing under your skill level then your team mates actions will rarely impact your ability to win. The problem is that the majority of people believe their skill level is a lot higher than it actually is.

Proof? Boosting and smurfing exists.

Yep. When I go into stats, and it says that I perform much higher in almost every category than players in my elo, it means I deserve to be in my elo.

[Sarc]

The Nocturne GodAug 27, 20184 votes

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Yep. When I go into stats, and it says that I perform much higher in almost every category than players in my elo, it means I deserve to be in my elo.

[Sarc]

Those stats are incredibly misleading. I have accounts that show I'm dominating challengers in every single category. If you are good enough to climb, as in being a higher skill level than your rank, then you climb. If you aren't, then you don't climb and instead bitch on the forums about match making or team mates.

Meanwhile, smurfing and boosting still exist because a good player can single handedly win. The lower the rank the easier this is.

MathgodpiAug 27, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gn8bGFWx,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2018-08-27T01:18:11.375+0000)

Those stats are incredibly misleading. I have accounts that show I'm dominating challengers in every single category. If you are good enough to climb, as in being a higher skill level than your rank, then you climb. If you aren't, then you don't climb and instead bitch on the forums about match making or team mates.

Meanwhile, smurfing and boosting still exist because a good player can single handedly win. The lower the rank the easier this is.

No they aren't misleading. They clearly show that I'm outperforming silver players by a LARGE margin. When other players play against OTHER SILVER PLAYERS they do far worse than me. This can only logically mean that I should be climbing. The reason I'm not climbing is because the matchmaker is suppressing my ability to do so.

The Nocturne GodAug 27, 20182 votes

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No they aren't misleading. They clearly show that I'm outperforming silver players by a LARGE margin. When other players play against OTHER SILVER PLAYERS they do far worse than me. This can only logically mean that I should be climbing. The reason I'm not climbing is because the matchmaker is suppressing my ability to do so.

Then why is it, that if I or any booster played on your account it would suddenly climb from 600+ games in silver to plat 5 with No effort?

Spicy RiceAug 27, 20185 votes

Let’s put it in terms of basketball, because that’s the first thing that comes to mind.

There’s going to be a difference if you take a good player, and give him a bad team, and if you take Shaq, and give him the same team.

Just because the good player isn’t as dominating a force as shaq, doesn’t mean the good player is bad, or should be placed with the bad team

DisembarkAug 27, 20181 votes

Except I could bring a Silver account to Plat, and I have two times this season.

And I am only a Plat player - not Challenger or someone hard smurfing.

Fact is if you’re silver for 600 games - you are not good enough to climb.

Stats don’t mean shit - Challenger players have low KDAs because they do whatever the fuck they need to win the game - not the “safest” or best for padding their stats.

Spicy RiceAug 27, 20183 votes

Plat is top 10+%

silver is top 50% at best

Someone who can stay in plat is significantly better than people in silver, so much so, that you can make up for shoddy teammates with pure skill.

But it isn't fair to people in silver, if you have to be in the top 10% to be able to climb out of the top 50%

MathgodpiAug 27, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gn8bGFWx,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-27T02:57:35.706+0000)

Then why is it, that if I or any booster played on your account it would suddenly climb from 600+ games in silver to plat 5 with No effort?

I strongly believe that there's something going on with some accounts that doesn't happen to other accounts. I think it has something to do with the report system. It seems that accounts that have lots of reports filed against them get treated differently from accounts that have little to no reports filed against them.

The other week I won something like 20 of 25 games, but then out of the blue I started losing 60% of my games despite playing the exact same way. Obviously something happened which impacted how the matchmaker configured the teams I was on and against.

Here is something I'm wondering, why is it that I can't find a single video anywhere of someone solo-carrying a team where the top laner went 0-8, the jungler went 1-7, and the adc has 30 cs at 10 minutes? Welcome to 50% of my games.

Beach GuyAug 27, 20182 votes

I was reading something about how the matchmaking works. As you know it's a forced 50% because it's very very complicated and also unfair to write an algorithm to give you a higher winrate, therefore giving the enemy team a lower winrate. And trust me when I say that full random matchmaking will suck a lot. The more you win the worse your team gets because you have a higher winrate therefore your teammates MUST have a lower winrate to get a 50% WR in your team. That plus the fact that the bigger the streak, the bigger the MMR gain, therefore the better the team you get matched against. I once went in something like a 9 winstreak or something and my total winrate (the one that includes every single ranked match since the start of the season) was more than 60. I was in Silver I promo and according to OP.GG my MMR was in Gold III. After that I lost A LOT of games, demoted to Silver II and stopped when I reached 0 LP. Now I actually feel like I'm playing against silvers. Since the WR's trend is 50% a Winstreak is basically an statistical anomaly and the matchmaking will TRY to fix it by giving you worse teammates and better enemies.

Telephone BoothSep 1, 20181 votes

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Yep. When I go into stats, and it says that I perform much higher in almost every category than players in my elo, it means I deserve to be in my elo.

[Sarc]

Ooof.... dont use stats page to derive skill levels. It's a terrible measurement. Your individual stats in a 5v5 team game? Yeah. come on... dont be so simple minded.

MathgodpiSep 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gn8bGFWx,comment-id=000400010001,timestamp=2018-09-01T01:52:29.023+0000)

Ooof.... dont use stats page to derive skill levels. It's a terrible measurement. Your individual stats in a 5v5 team game? Yeah. come on... dont be so simple minded.

You serious? When I complain about teammates, people tell me to just focus on myself and what I'm doing. As soon as I focus on my own performance, people tell me "it's a 5v5 game". What am I supposed to do then? My stats clearly show that I'm steeply outperforming the average silver player in just about every statistic, yet I'm not climbing.

Today on 4 separate occasions there were teammates who bragged in chat about how they were going to either disconnect or int, then they went ahead and did it anyway. At some point reality just is what it is, trolling teammates are absolutely the reason why I'm not climbing. Period.

SprixOkAug 27, 20183 votes

I guess I can see where you're coming from but this is a big thing in the lower elos and possibly a little bit of high elos. Lets say a s3-s4 player is in solo q and they get in a low mmr game with a newbie that just hit level 30 and ran to ranked. He will most likely feed in lane, that will impact the s3-s4's ability to win since there is no guarantee that he or the other lanes will do well or get fed, plus along with the laner the newbie fed it's going to be even harder to win (not mentioning all the other factors playing into this). so basically your statement is only true when you're smurfing, playing a braindead champ, or playing a champ you're highly skilled at

The Nocturne GodAug 27, 20183 votes

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I guess I can see where you're coming from but this is a big thing in the lower elos and possibly a little bit of high elos. Lets say a s3-s4 player is in solo q and they get in a low mmr game with a newbie that just hit level 30 and ran to ranked. He will most likely feed in lane, that will impact the s3-s4's ability to win since there is no guarantee that he or the other lanes will do well or get fed, plus along with the laner the newbie fed it's going to be even harder to win (not mentioning all the other factors playing into this). so basically your statement is only true when you're smurfing, playing a braindead champ, or playing a champ you're highly skilled at

So basically, if you are good enough then the team mates won't impact you, which is my point. No one is playing at a plat level and stuck in bronze or silver. No one is stuck in a rank less than 2 divisions of their skill level. Smurfing doesn't mean you start with more gold, more damage, or better team mates. Smurfing just means you already learned how to graduate out of the rank you are smurfing in.

People claim match making, but if I go on 100 different bronze or silver accounts they will all climb with around 90% win rates and about 20 kills per game. No way I'm just that lucky. I've smurfed on about 12 accounts, haven't once had a cursed account.

coreychichiAug 27, 20181 votes

It’s a team strategy game you’re playing with strangers man. You’re always gonna have that. If you want your skill to be the only thing that matters go to Starcraft or street fighter.

Towboat421Aug 27, 20183 votes

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It’s a team strategy game you’re playing with strangers man. You’re always gonna have that. If you want your skill to be the only thing that matters go to Starcraft or street fighter.

there you go, another person twisting the point to try and make the post invalid.

I never said I want to be the deciding be all end all factor of a match you just put those words in my mouth, what we are talking about here is people who intentionally throw games constantly especially in ranked. What people want is for teammates to actually try not just give up immediately at the first sign of resistance or worse yet go into the game with the intent to lose.