Revert the ap damage to tower so atleast adcs are needed for something (tower killing), as it is you can just pick brand, auto win the lane, do huge damage with 1 item and then still AA towers for 200 damage +, this is stupid.
It would also help the whole towers die too easily by everything issue.
Adcs are completely irrelevant and have no more role in the game.
Dope Solo2 votesBot lane supports can protect mages from assassins.
IcyPepper1 votesADCs are still the most picked champions in bot lane, even now. They just have competition and a different laning experience like every other class.
Rexxiee2 votesADCs are still the most picked champions in bot lane, even now. They just have competition and a different laning experience like every other class.
Ok then, lets make adcs actually viable in mid top then so i can play jinx somewhere if she isnt viable bot.
After all DiVeRsItY
Critmaster Garen2 votesOk then, lets make adcs actually viable in mid top then so i can play jinx somewhere if she isnt viable bot.
After all DiVeRsItY
marksmen are viable mid, jungle and top lane. they have been for a very long time.
top: 
jungle: 
mid: 
those are just the most prominent cases. especially in the jungle, you can make a lot more of them work. ive seen jungle 
pulled off very successfully a couple of times.
its just not every marksman is viable mid and top lane under any circumstance, just like how not every fighter or mage is viable bot lane under any circumstance.
in all cases, its only a few exceptions.
just because less than a hand full of specific fighters, and mages with tools to outplay ranged physical damage dealers are viable bot lane, doesnt mean all of them currently are.
and 
being playable in bot lane doesnt mean 
is magically viable down there. just the same you shouldnt expect to be able to pull off 
in the top lane just because works.
IcyPepper1 votesNot all champions have more than one popular role, you know, and there's a few marksman who don't frequently bot lane in the first place.
It's really hard to have a discussion about this when people frequently go "After all DiVeRsItY" when we reach over the aisle to talk about it. Look up the statistics.
Tell me I'm wrong.
Tell me that you marksman are not the most played class in bot lane currently several days after the crit changes.
Tell me that Graves is not currently the most played jungler in Plat+ with a positive winrate, with Kindred not lagging too far behind.
Teemo top, Quinn top...
That nine out of ten of the most played champions in bot lane are marksman, and four out of nine of them have a positive winrate with the highest being ~53% and the lowest being 47%.
It's really getting frustrating when I get downvote bombed and you get upvoted for meming when I'm putting in twice the effort you are. I agree, the crit changes and marksman diversity could use some work here, but you are acting like an entitled brat. I really hate the term "circlejerk," but it seems like a vocal crowd of marksman mains are looking for an echo chamber so they can tantrum their way back to the status quo of "one marksman per team mandatory bot lane every game" instead of "let's make changes so marksman have essentially the same treatment as the other classes!"
Not every marksman will be able to solo lane, just as not every champion in the other classes can duo lane (like I said, marksman are still played most of the time in bot lane right now for good reason). Jinx mid/top probably won't happen without a lot of work, as she lacks hard cc and mobility without her passive, but you could make a strong case for champions like Miss Fortune or Tristana. The thing is, I agree with your comment here, but you're focused on mocking anyone who doesn't just supply an echo chamber for you when I'm trying to reach out and actually have a fucking discussion about something that we probably would have found a consensus on.
Critmaster Garen1 votesIt's really getting frustrating when I get downvote bombed and you get upvoted for meming
its probably himself on multiple smurphs. dont take it too seriously. hes a known troll aswell.
a couple days ago he was asking for garen nerfs just because of his high pickrate because of the skin.
IcyPepper1 votesIf it were just him, maybe, but I see this behavior a lot since the crit changes (well, it's always been a thing since we're human and all) and I don't know, I lost my temper for a moment.
There is a bit of a problem with the crit changes, and I want things to be smoothed out, but people seem to be volatile about it to have an actual discussion about something that almost everyone could agree on if they just talked to each other and I'm starting to get frustrated by the lack of progress on anyone's part.
It feels like one of those things that could have a solution for everyone but each party wants their extreme rather than a compromise. Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass, if that would require too much resources on Riot's part (the main concern I have for what would essentially be a juggernaut-scale times five rework of an entire class).
SithesisLord1 votesMages aren´t replacing ADCs at all. ADCs are just not mandatory because no one in their right minds is going to play a tank only to get fucked early, mid AND late game by a Conqueror user.
koochario1 votesthey don't have to revert it
they could just give turrets more HP and that itself would help
I don't think ADCs are that bad though. It's just a few mages like Swain who are actually good bot.
