Oh no she hit level 6, I guess she's already at late game hyper carry status. Can we please do something about this bullshit? Jinx and Vayne already hit late game status at level 6. Can we PLEASE tone down these hyper carries so that they don't hit Jesus status 10 minutes into the game?
YossarianSensei7 votesWhy does everyone on the boards have this impression that late game scalers are supposed to be worthless early game? Nobody would ever play them if that were the case.
There are no hyper carries in this game except maybe Poppy
Jinx's early game isn't that bad and her late game isn't unstoppable
TheI3igDaddy2 votes
and 
are the epitome of 'shit early, godly late'. 
as well.
Jinx also drops turrets obscenely fast lategame as well as turning into a crocket-firing Caitlyn by pressing Q. Both are bullshit.
SaltyKracka1 votes>Implying Kayle is shit early.
TheI3igDaddy1 votesAgainst pure melee champions she's not, but against everyone else, she's easier to fight than Ryze, at least. Before she gets Nashor's, you jump on her face once her Q slow wears off, because she doesn't have strong DPS with her E yet. She also has very low sustain outside of that shitty W heal, and she's obviously not going to max that first.
And if she tries to harass with E autos, she's going to push the wave, and open herself up to ganks because again, the only mobility she has is in that W boost.
YossarianSensei2 votesKarthus has pretty good DPS if he lands his Q's, even early game.
Nasus has insane sustain, and contrary to common belief Nasus is actually strongest mid game if he got his stacks. The entire concept of Nasus is that if he stacks fast enough he'll be ahead of the power curve of everyone else in the game thus relatively strong, he's not some kind of 'infinitely scaling uber god' like people make him out to be.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes"if he", but no. karthus get jumped by zed/diana/katarina everyone and he can just watch the death or survive with flash
TheI3igDaddy1 votesEven so, if Karthus is busy harassing and not last-hitting enough, he's going to run OOM. A Karthus without mana is literally more useless than a dead one.
Smart mid laners know to never stay out of the minion wave for long against him, because he loses the isolation bonus. And part of the reason Karthus is 'shit' early is because he doesn't really counter anyone in lane, and is very gank-prone due to his limited mobility (and the fact that his only CC costs 100 mana even at rank 1).
A Miss Fortune1 votesHoly crap imagine if Poppy's early game actually was good like Renekton's. I can already imagine the 100% pick or ban.
Yosuke Apperu3 votesJinx is fine compared to vayne IMO You can decide not to fight a jinx that wants to fight you... but you can't do that with vayne. Vayne decides the fight place and time.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votestrue
CelticSlayer2 votesThe issue with Jinx is her rockets early game. They cost nothing and give her a massive advantage in harass. They're a bit silly late game too with the AoE crits but whatever that's when an ADC is supposed to be strong. Why she has to have a strong laning phase too though.
IcyPepper2 votesThey cost a mediocre amount, not free.
Granted, they're pretty mana efficient, but too much spam without work does eventually leave a Jinx oom early game.
insaiyanbacca2 votesi mean you could play something like graves/draven maybe and/or a more aggressive support and usually they arent a problem
dragonboytsubasa1 votesHeck even someone like 
, who is also supposedly a hyper-carry, can do well against 
. Then you have other adc counters as well like 
. Not to mention she lacks mobility without her passive so as you mentioned aggressive supports like 
, 
or 
do a number on her too.
insaiyanbacca1 votesyup pretty much, mf is also a good adc pick into her right now to and taric is an ok pick vs her and i believe alistar is a good pick vs her as well but i dont play enough alistar to know whether hes really good to pick vs her or not
