So, I've been stuck in silver for over 3k games (S5 and S6)...

Niyumi··2 votes·609 views

Was wondering if anyone would want to look at my games, play with me, whatever, and tell me what I can do to improve. In most games, I do pretty good, but I still lose most of my games (<50% winrate), and have been in silver for ~3k games now, if not more.

My mechanics are fine, I know how every champ works and how to play against them (minus things like ADCs who just click on you and delete you), and I have a solid grasp on general things like CS, trading, poking, warding, map awareness, all that. Though, I feel like my teamfighting may be a little weak, and that could be an issue, but most of the times there aren't really any teamfights since either my team is super ahead, or their team is.

But, my opinion on my performance is pretty biased, obviously.

So, anyone wanna take a silver noob under their wing, see what the issue is, and what I can improve on? I'm a fill main and have several champs for every role, and can pick up a new champ in 10 minutes or so and do fairly well, so I'd be fine learning new champs into comps / matchups.

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Verxint4 votes

{quoted} So, anyone wanna take a silver noob under their wing, see what the issue is, and what I can improve on? I&#039;m a fill main and have several champs for every role, and can pick up a new champ in 10 minutes or so and do fairly well, so I&#039;d be fine learning new champs into comps / matchups.

Well this is part of your problem.

You can't pick up new champs in 10 minutes. You just can't. That's not how it works. Sure, you might be able to perform modaretley well, but that's not what you need in ranked.

Stop playing fill and changing up champions, pick two roles and 4-6 champs total and spam those. Learn them inside and out against every matchup.

More important, stop thinking so much of yourself. If you're silver after two seasons, you obviously don't have a good grasp of CS, trading, warding, map awareness, etc. The odds are there are major issues with your playstyle. If you were actually doing well as you say and understood those fundamentals, you wouldn't be silver.

An attitude of "Look I do all of these things right how come I'm not climbing" is not the way to improve.

Niyumi1 votes

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You can't pick up new champs in 10 minutes. You just can't. That's not how it works. Sure, you might be able to perform modaretley well, but that's not what you need in ranked.

Well, this is League. Once you understand the fundamentals, the rest is kind of easy. With up to a max of 4 abilities, it really isn't all that complex. I come from MMOs, where you had 20-30+ abilities, and had to manage ALL of them. So, compared to that, this is child's play.

And I make a policy of never playing a champ in ranked unless I have at least 10 games on them and am confident in them -- unless it's some braindead easy champ like Kat / Yi / LB, where I do well even though I have no clue. xD

Stop playing fill and changing up champions, pick two roles and 4-6 champs total and spam those. Learn them inside and out against every matchup.

See, when you main fill, you can react to every situation. I pick to fill a role my team needs (not lane). If we have a lot of CC, but no damage, then I pick an assassin. If we need a tank with good catch, then I play someone like Tahm / Blitz. If we need heavy CC, maybe someone like Zac, Amumu, Gnar or what have you. Like the champion thing, I have no issue playing different roles. They're all fundamentally the same, minus support and jungle. And, after having played ~5k games since last July (when I started League), I'm pretty confident in my ability to play every role.

More important, stop thinking so much of yourself. If you're silver after two seasons, you obviously don't have a good grasp of CS, trading, warding, map awareness, etc. The odds are there are major issues with your playstyle. If you were actually doing well as you say and understood those fundamentals, you wouldn't be silver.

I started last July, and got to 30 maybe a few weeks later. In probably August or early September I started playing ranked, and placed S2. Was one game from gold, but then lost continually until S5, and ended S3. This season, I placed B3, and immediately climbed to S1. Lost until S5, and stayed there for a while, but now I'm mid S2 and climbing slowly.

And, I know I do well, I don't just think I do. I have decent farm (usually more than my lane opponent), I have the fundamentals down, my average (over all my games on the website) KDA is 6.3:1 (meaning I don't feed, and usually do well), I usually win lane, I focus on objectives over kills, all that. The only area I think I might be a bit weak at is teamfighting, but that's only because it doesn't happen very often, and I always hesitate.

An attitude of "Look I do all of these things right how come I'm not climbing" is not the way to improve.

Well, like I said, my opinion is obviously going to be biased. Maybe I'm horrible at everything I said, and I need to work on all of it. That's why I'm asking for someone to look at what I do, play a couple games with me, and tell me what I'm doing and what I need to work on.

Dreadlocks2 votes

https://lol.arenaonline.com/stats/summoners/67921488/compare. You are pretty biased about your stats.... here is a little bit of an eye opener for u.

Verxint2 votes

This is a nifty website, though it seems linking the comparison page doesn't work. If he bothers to compare himself to me or you he might realize. His CS in particular is really low.

Dreadlocks2 votes

I have a couple ppl I play with in bronze, and even they question my decisions and argue with me about a decision they made. I really enjoy helping people, but I feel like most the people I Wana help are too busy making excuses -_- good luck tho, u seem to be a pretty humble person urself trying to help others.

Verxint1 votes

Yeah, the biggest problem most of my Silver friends have is pride.

Dreadlocks2 votes

Indeed... same with this guy. Could probably climb pretty well if he wasn't trying to justify every flaw.

Verxint4 votes

The fact that your immediate response to someone trying to give you advice is to argue why hes wrong and you're right tells me a lot about what your play is probably like. You already said you're stuck in silver after two seasons. Well take it from someone who has played since Season 2, who skipped Silver IV and II last season and got placed in Gold this season. As in, i got placed into a rank that you've spent two seasons struggling to get into. I don't mean this to be rude, I just want to point out that I might have a perspective you don't and you need to stop trying to contradict everything you're given.

So let me break this down.

Well, this is League. Once you understand the fundamentals, the rest is kind of easy. With up to a max of 4 abilities, it really isn't all that complex. I come from MMOs, where you had 20-30+ abilities, and had to manage ALL of them. So, compared to that, this is child's play.

And I make a policy of never playing a champ in ranked unless I have at least 10 games on them and am confident in them -- unless it's some braindead easy champ like Kat / Yi / LB, where I do well even though I have no clue. xD

First off, the number of abilities doesn't tell you how difficult a game is. Lethal League has 3 buttons, but is that game easy? Sure, it means you can enjoy it without a burden of knowledge, but it doesn't inherently make the game easy - high level Lethal League players demonstrate an extensive mastery over the game that you cannot develop quickly. Just because a game is fundamentally simple does not mean it is easy to play at a high level, especially in PvP games.

The reason why you focus on a few champions is because you learn everything about them in all kinds of situations. You learn what their limits are, how you can most effective impact a game, how to play every single matchup to win from the start, how to coordinate ganks with different kinds of junglers, how to respond to frequent meta threats, and more. You don't learn this from watching guides or videos, you don't learn this from reading the abilities, and you don't learn this from playing 10 games. This is knowledge you develop from experience with the champion.

See, when you main fill, you can react to every situation. I pick to fill a role my team needs (not lane). If we have a lot of CC, but no damage, then I pick an assassin. If we need a tank with good catch, then I play someone like Tahm / Blitz. If we need heavy CC, maybe someone like Zac, Amumu, Gnar or what have you. Like the champion thing, I have no issue playing different roles. They're all fundamentally the same, minus support and jungle. And, after having played ~5k games since last July (when I started League), I'm pretty confident in my ability to play every role.

You can already react to situations with a diverse pool of a few champions. For example, I main top lane

If we have a lot of CC but need damage:Fiora Darius Graves If we need a tank that can catch and disrupt:Maokai Nautilus If we have some AD and need AP and CC: Lissandra If our teamcomp is well rounded: Renekton

That's 7 champions, and includes a ranged top and an AP top. Instead of trying to pick the perfect champion out of 50, and doing mediocre on it, I can pick the most appropriate out of 7 that I'm extremely familiar with and always do well on them. Sometimes champions get added or removed to the list, but only one at a time. The advantage of maybe having the best champion for your team is not as good as being good at an appropriate champion for your team. Sure, I might have a game where in a vaccum, Gnar would be the best choice, but I play a much better Nautilus than I play Gnar, and I know how to play Nautilus in a way to fit that comp, because I have experience on the champion and know how he works from the inside out. And most importantly, when I lose a game, I know the champion so well that I can assess what I should have done in order to increase my chance of winning.

And, I know I do well, I don't just think I do. I have decent farm (usually more than my lane opponent), I have the fundamentals down, my average (over all my games on the website) KDA is 6.3:1 (meaning I don't feed, and usually do well), I usually win lane, I focus on objectives over kills, all that. The only area I think I might be a bit weak at is teamfighting, but that's only because it doesn't happen very often, and I always hesitate.

First; Here is what your stats do tell me:

The biggest thing I notice is that you have a reasonable KDA, about 7/4/8, on most champions, but you still have around 50% win rates on them, even the ones you've played the most. This tells me that you probably do well early to mid game but don't make use of your advantages, or that you're doing really well in some games and really poorly in others and lack consistency. From your match history, it doesn't seem to be the latter. So it's likely that you are mechanically fairly solid, at least enough to win lane against other Silver players, but you don't do the right things mid and late game to secure a victory. What that is varies slightly from game to game, and there's plenty of material to tell you about it. But this leads into what your stats cannot tell me:

I don't know what you specifically do that loses games where you have a lead. You might not have been doing enough damage control. You might be doing too much. You might be greeding for solo kills in the lategame. You might be farming by yourself at 35 minutes past the river. There's literally dozens of things you could be doing wrong that I would only know from watching and playing with you. Odds are there are obvious things to spot right away, but the biggest things to identify in someone's playstyle take time to observe because it's more about mentality than mechanics.

This is actually the problem that a lot of Silver players have, they don't understand that the game is more than kills and farm and turrets. I like to say that in Silver, the players know what it should look like, but not how to do it. This means, by extension, they know when they did it right, but not why it worked, and they don't know why it didn't work when it fails. Given your attitude so far, I doubt you really understand why your plays fail when they do.

Well, like I said, my opinion is obviously going to be biased. Maybe I'm horrible at everything I said, and I need to work on all of it. That's why I'm asking for someone to look at what I do, play a couple games with me, and tell me what I'm doing and what I need to work on.

Well to put it simply, if you can't escape silver in 300 games this season, you're doing something wrong. And you obviously know that, because you made this post. But you keep trying to reject everything you're told. The first thing I would suggest is to stop focusing on all the reasons you think you're doing well, because you're obviously not. 50% win rates is not an exceptional performance, it's an average performance in a slightly above average rating. Pragmatically, you're not doing anything exceptional to indicate that you are any different from the rest of the Silvers you play with. Personally, I would reckon that if I watched you play, I'd see the same kind of mistakes I see in most Silvers.

Start with the foundation that you can improve everything. Never decide that you've learned a champion. Never assume you know everything. You are constantly learning, evolving, adapting, and improving. That's how you climb, that's how you become a better player, and it's also how you do a lot of things in life.

Dreadlocks2 votes

Well put sir.

Gimpy891 votes

3k games 0-o holy shit. i have like 150 total ranked games. you need to learn to recnonise mistakes and improve on them. record games if you have too.

Niyumi1 votes

Well, all I play is ranked, and I play quite a bit. :P

But, if you look at my history, I do fine most games -- though my team usually doesn't. So, if I'm making mistakes, I don't know what they are.

Gimpy891 votes

i dont watch your games, but statistically you have to at the elo you belong and the only way up is to change/improve. the law of large numbers starts taking effect at about 100 games.

You might climb a division or two by trying to have your best games in ranked and your worse in normal. Then your elo will reflect your best and not your average.

Ie if you are upset,tired, dont feel sharp mentally play norms. if you are alert sharp and pumped do ranked.

also only play well practiced and your best champs in ranked.

Also lee is a little weaker in lower elo since often his early lead is thrown away by not closing the game correctly.

Alüe1 votes

Not going to give you an indepth analysis, however overextending, pursuing kills, lack of csing 20+ minutes, last hitting, denying in lane are all attributes that usually silver players suffer from. Start watching higher elo games and notice what they are doing in terms of trying to generate gold. Disparities are created by gold not by kills.

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