Yasuo and Jax Q vs E interaction is even more bugged than I imagined and makes 0 sense. Fix this

FalconPawwwwnch··88 votes·5,491 views

After some testing in a custom I discovered when Yasuo's Q is dodged by Jax's E and when it isn't. I also added when it SHOULD be dodged and when it should NOT be dodged; as you can see, these don't add up at all and there's bugs on the interaction

Yasuo First and Second Q: Jax will NEVER dodge this even when he's the only/first target being hit. If Jax is the first/only target being hit, the notification "Dodge" will even show up, but Jax still takes the full damage

Yasuo Third Q: Jax will take the knockup no matter what, but will dodge the damage IF he is the only/first target being hit by it, otherwise he will take the full damage.

Now, Yasuo's Q applies on hit effects to the first target only. All other abilities in this game that apply on hit effects are FULLY dodged ALWAYS. This includes Gangplank's Q, Ezreal's Q, etc. Therefore, Yasuo's first and second Q are not working properly vs Jax's counterstrike. However, the third Q is working properly because he dodges it if he is the only target hit but won't otherwise.

What I believe makes more sense:

1st/2nd Q when Jax is only target: dodges damage 3rd Q when jax is only target: dodges damage (I'd argue he should even dodge the knockup, as other on hit CCs are dodged too, like Renekton W and Ezreal Qing with Red buff)

Tl;dr Yasuo's First and Second Qs are bugged vs Jax's E, his third Q works properly

I've made threads before but nothing

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/r1YFEg2o-hey-riot-yasuos-q-goes-through-jaxs-dodge-when-hes-the-onlyfirst-target-being-hit

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5ItzraMH-yasuo-q-goes-through-jaxs-counterstrike

50 Comments

Jet Sett17 votes

If Jax dodges TF's gold card he also doesn't get stunned, likewise Yasuo's 3rd q shouldn't knock Jax up.

Alfayx2 votes

It would be correct for the e + q combo but the 3rd q is a skillshot so ,why should he block it? An even better thing would be that if jax is on melee range he will not get knocked up but if he's afar from yasuo he'll be knocked up by the 3rd q What do you think? It makes sense for me

dementik1121 votes

Makes more sense,but it will need to repair THE almighty CODE of this game,lol.

Jet Sett1 votes

As long as the 3rd Q is proccing on hit it shouldn't knock him up, if it's no longer applying them then that's up for debate, but the whole point is that many champs who rely on special on-hit abilities have them denied by dodge effects, but Yasuo is an exception.

Zalinthel7 votes

Jax shouldn't be getting knocked up either; back in Patch 5.22 (Marksman update) they changed ALL modified autos to neither CC nor damage through Jax's E, Panth's passive or blind (used to be you could do shit like stun through the dodge with Renekton's W.)

If every other auto-applied CC whiffs into his dodge, I don't see why Yasuo should be an exception.

FalconPawwwwnch3 votes

i agree with this

WoonStruck2 votes

Keep on fighting the good fight.

FalconPawwwwnch26 votes

Trying my hardest but none of these damn reds are listening

I posted this bug in report a bug multiple times too and even on reddit but nothing

WoonStruck14 votes

They never listen to anything.

Every Vlad player tells them to make his ult entirely selfish, instead of a team-wide buff, so he's not pick/ban in competitive any time he's not a steaming pile of garbage.

Will they listen? No.

GULAG 4 U14 votes

They do listen sometimes though. What happens? "Assassins kill me too quickly"

Now it's "Assassins are useless"

"Tank meta is cancer"

"People die too fast now"

"We want to be able to Q w/ more friends in ranked"

"What the fuck is this shit riot kys for dq"

see the trend?

Adriqnohee9 votes

Jez, its almost like different people have different opinion on stuff, and those complaining about A aren't the same people that are complaining about B.

Leetri2 votes

And then the people complaining about A complain that "Riot never listens" while people who liked A are happily playing the game. Riot gives in and changes it, and now the people who liked A are complaining that "Riot never listens". It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Adriqnohee1 votes

Pretty much, and it has been like that since I've started playing in 2010, and I highly doubt it will ever change.

Pacattack251 votes

{quoted}

They do listen sometimes though. What happens? "Assassins kill me too quickly"

Now it's "Assassins are useless"

"Tank meta is cancer"

"People die too fast now"

"We want to be able to Q w/ more friends in ranked"

"What the fuck is this shit riot kys for dq"

see the trend?

No it was "Assassins have no counterplay" instead of actually giving actual counterplay it was hard nerfs the whole way around

It was "Damage needs to be balanced" - and they threw the valve entirely the opposite direction

It was "Team builder is awesome but still needs improvement" Scrap it in it's entirety - and replace it with something that sucks.

Rito even when it does (rarely) decide to listen - takes it to such a degree that it just causes more problems... If they would have done a damage rework (which is really what they NEED to do... is check EVERYONE'S damage output and tankability) as to make sure that no one item/mastery is being utterly ridiculous in either department that would have been up - that's what we HAVE been asking for this whole time on either side of the issue.

Their assassin rework wasn't actually a rework... it was flat nerfs everywhere as apposed to say the mage rework that saw most mages getting significant changes to their kit - or the juggernaut rework which saw significant changes and updating... where as assassins as apposed to getting updated got nerfed.

We wanted Team builder 2.0 - Instead we got DQ which was a far inferior version - Team builder let you go 'ok am I willing to likely wait X minutes for X role' if you were solo and made sure that everyone (eventually) got their desired roles- DQ didn't - nor does ranked queue.

The trend is that Rito may be hearing us (if that) but isn't actually listening in to the actual problem at hand...

EmollientNut01 votes

I spent months trying to get them to fix the Graves Sheen bug through help tickets and the bug reporting, got absolutely 0 results

Sad reacts only

Funniest part is I've seen you post so many times on this subject and get a lot of upvotes, and they still don't address it lmao

Adriqnohee1 votes

They have a priority list when it comes to bugs and fixing them, if a bug is not game breaking or it doesn't happen too often, keep in mind that they also take into account how it happens and if enough people are going to reproduce it, not just how high of a chance it has to actually happen, for instance if every time Zed bought item 3089, his shadow stopped working for the rest of the match, it still wouldn't be too high on the priority list, because even if it happens every time he buys it, no one is actually building the item on him nor is it even a item he should be building, and if a bug is not high on the priority list they simply wont waste time and resources on fixing them, so just because a bug has been fixed yet, it does not mean Riot is not aware its there, or that they don't care about the game, they just think there are more important things to take care at the moment. Also what is that bug you're talking about?

EmollientNut01 votes

I definitely get there's a priority list for bugs getting patched, but I feel like if you're being told about a certain bug for months and months it gets to a point where you need to check your bug inbox more often.

The bug itself is pretty weird and I haven't tested to see if it was fixed in a while. For some reason if you buffer an auto with your E your dash won't put a Sheen proc up, which if you're in a match that either calls for you buying Tri/ibg or you just want to try it out, it's pretty gamebreaking.

Neidox4 votes

I've rarely seen a red respond to a thread like this. They pretend these type of bugs don't exist. Riven is also an example, she can CC dodge, and yet teemo has been disabled for a few days. I suspect anything that actually requires code being worked on is put aside, while things that can actually be worked on are disabled and fixed.

InfectedMushrums1 votes

Disabled maybe. fixed ... still don't see a fix neither news on when teemo will be fixed

WoonStruck1 votes

That's because Rioters had the day off for the past 3 days...lol

Use some logic please.

Joseraph1 votes

Except you are wrong. The "Riven CC dodge" applies to just about any champ with a dash/blink. This is like blaming Riven for the instant Recall Bug

Dracocrash1 votes

nah man, gota disable teemo for 2 weeks! Yasuo and riven bugged? keep them out forever.

King of Demons2 votes

I don't see the issue? Are you saying that Jax E should block a CC effect attached to a spell just because the damage it deals comes from an auto attack? That has nothing to do with inconsistency in the interaction, this is to be expected.

Enloct7 votes

Except that's how it works in every other case. Renekton Blitzcrank Udyr etc

Joseraph5 votes

That's how it works with every other spell in the same category though

Project omen2 votes

I think it has to do with Yasuo's Q being able to hit multiple targets. Gp's or ezreal's Q can't do that.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

did you post this in the bug forum?

Ruin Lance1 votes

it might be worth checking out if teemo's blind works the exact same way. i know that his first 2 q's deal full damage, but what about the knockup as you said in this?

FalconPawwwwnch4 votes

Jax takes no damage from the knockup if he's the first target hit, otherwise he takes the damage

He always gets CC'd though regardless

AirKingNeo2 votes

Teemo's blind isn't an auto attack therefore dodge wouldn't block it.

FalconPawwwwnch4 votes

he meant if teemo blind would cause yasuo q to miss

WoonStruck1 votes

If you test Teemo, be sure to remember that its relevant to when the blind and auto come out relative to each other.

I forgot which way it was though.

Its either the blind is retroactive, or only avoids autos started after the blind is in effect. I believe its the latter.

ReZisT Lust1 votes

Teemo can blind yas during his ult to make him miss, teemo cannot dodge yas q with blind cause hes just stabbing in a direction and its a skillshot

ReZisT Lust1 votes

lol that 1 dislike with no rebuttal am i using rebuttal correctly i cant remember

Joseraph1 votes

Ezreal while blinded cannot hit his Q. The definition of a blind is that any attack that applies on hit damage will deal 0 damage, the only exception being Infinite Duress.

Does Yasuo's Q deal on hit? Yes

Is Yasuo's Q Infinite Duress? No

Therefore, Yasuo's Q should not hit through Miss/Block/Dodge

ReZisT Lust1 votes

Thank you for saying something

4th3t0s1 votes

same bullshit with Shen's w as well

FalconPawwwwnch1 votes

Rito pls

aspects11 votes

shouldnt this be in report a bug?

VasilisGreen1 votes

well, the knockup is treated as a spell effect. But this is a weird interaction indeed

50000000000000001 votes

I guess Yasuo's Q counts as both a spell and an AA. When AA part is blocked, the spell part hits. If this is true, Jax's counter strike should block Yasuo's on-hit effects, but still take the damage from the spell part of the Q that hits everyone in the AoE. I'd test how Yasuo's on-hit items interact with Jax's counter strike. A sheen would do fine, since not only will it show the damage difference clearly, but also because you'd be able to see if the Sheen passive proc is consumed.

Sraeg20132 votes

Or with, say, item 3115 or item 3091 since it'd show on-hit damage as an entirely separate number.

420 grams1 votes

He shouldn't be able to dodge his q because then he'd counter yasuo and that's a no-no.

51653971DEL11 votes

I know people hate Yasuo on the boards, and hate people that support Yasuo but let's be honest. Jax is busted as hell himself.

FalconPawwwwnch2 votes
  1. Yasuo is better, Yasuo has nerfs for next patch

  2. What does balance have to do with a bugfix lmao

PermabannedGaren1 votes

{quoted}

  1. Yasuo is better, Yasuo has nerfs for next patch

  2. What does balance have to do with a bugfix lmao

Yasuo is not being nerfed because he's too strong, he's being nerfed to get people to stop banning him for no good reason my friend. Your logic also doesn't make sense. I know for a fact you (rightfully) believe Jayce to be busted, yet homie hasn't been nerfed at all, despite definitely being a better top laner than Yasuo.

Joseraph1 votes
  1. This is reporting a bug that also applies to Teemo

  2. No

Iźuku Midoriya1 votes

Its because how yasuos q is coded, Yasuo can still deal damage with Q through a teemo blind. They should fix it tbh

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