I hear all the time that AD carries are "out bursting assassins".
Most of the time, this is totally not true; what people are referring to are 
and 
These two champs are giving the ADC role a bad rap, they are the REAL problem because they are really only the only AD carries that have insane burst per second.
I'm leaving out Xayah because she has to set up for her burst but don't get me wrong, she is kinda op.
Big Lincoln4 votes
combo is why marksmen are so bursty, way too much damage front-loaded for a dps class
Penns1 votes7.9 riot buffed max shiv damage by 100 because it should be the burst item
makes sense for the "dps tanks and objectives" class hehe
Ahristocats2 votesdoesn't matter
https://youtu.be/5tyEMXMIwGg?t=251
the "adcs outburst assassins" is pure bullshit, they can only outburst leblanc who got a shitty rework that made her a mage, and still made her toxic
nm10101 votesI was watching that game, Talon was like 4-0 with duskblade youmuus and LLstyles had 0 armor. The Talon proceeds to build tabi and GA to shit on him all game.
PrinceOfStorms4 votesNo, the problem is literally all ADCs. Crit makes them really scary towards squishies, when they should only really be scary towards tanks. You literally cannot itemize against Corki, because Corki does 80% magic damage on his autos, yet the anti-ADC items all give Armor and not MR. Not to mention how MR is more expensive than MR and most tanks will only ever build one MR item. Lucian is gaining popularity in midlane (Faker recently picked him mid), when ADCs should never, under any circumstances, be taken into solo lanes in serious games.
I'd rather have ADCs that have really shitty AD scaling on their autos and low base AD (and no crit) but instead get lots of bonus armor penetration, so that they're god awful at killing carries but good at killing tanks. Like seriously. Make them take at least 10 seconds to kill a squishy mage or assassin, not the 1.2 seconds that you see now where an ADC with 
chunks you for 2/3 of your health per second with 600 damage autos.
Either that or make it so that crit is fixed at 5% on all champions, and crit chance items now increase crit damage.
Either that or delete the class entirely and rework them into mages or assassins.
Executioner1 votesif it takes 10 seconds to kill a squishy mage or assassin, they will have 2 set of rotations within that time frame. One combo usually kills them or almost kills them. If it took 10 seconds to kill an assassin or squishy mage that means it's gonna take longer to kill another adc, or support for that matter.
The only ones being taken into a solo lane are the ad casters really. Lucian and corki. That is about it going into the other lanes. Guess ezreal too, but a very much smaller scale compared to the other two.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesYou literally cannot itemize against Corki, because Corki does 80% magic damage on his autos, yet the anti-ADC items all give Armor and not MR.
Does Adaptive Helm not work against Corki's autoattacks? Never boethered to test it.
PrinceOfStorms1 votesProblem is Adaptive Helm is a shit item and if Corki hits you with any of his spells before he AAs you it won't work on his autos.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesAdaptive Helm tracks each source of magic damage separately.
It can protect against multiple abilities/effects at once.
PrinceOfStorms1 votesI remember a thread on reddit a while back that tested it and no, it doesn't. Which is why it's a bad buy against Cassio. Since she lands her Q, which gets its damage reduced by Helm, but it won't protect you from the E spam.
EndlessSorcerer1 voteshttp://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Adaptive_Helm
UNIQUE: Taking magic damage from a spell or effect reduces all subsequent magic damage taken from that spell or effect by 20% for 4 seconds. Multiple sources of magic damage can have this effect active at any one time and the duration is tracked separately per source.
If it isn't individually tracking and reducing damage from each ability, that sounds like a bug.
JackMcSnipeyz1 votes"i want an entire class to only be good against 1 class and that class only, and be garbage at anything else HIRE ME RIOT" ^
PrinceOfStorms1 votes"I want an entire class to be good against literally every other class in the game" -Riot apparently.
ADCs need to have a defined role. If that role is sustained damage, they should have zero burst damage. Which means they shouldn't be able to kill someone building full glass very fast. Currently, they're sitting somewhere between "More burst damage than most assassins" and "Higher sustained damage than anyone else"
Just take a look at Corki. He does more magic DPS than magic DPS champions like Cassio. Jhin's the closest thing ADCs have to good design but he's still busted because he gets 1000 damage crits (he shouldn't get the free AS, Crit Chance -> AD ratios he receives).
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesSo you complain adc kill you fast when you build glass cannon? What's that ol' saying people say to adc who complain about assassins deleting them? "Build defense" It goes both ways buddy, if you build defensive, no adc is gonna 1 shot you, if you build glass cannon, you will 1 shot the adc but also be 1 shot yourself.
PrinceOfStorms1 votesNo matter how many defensive items I build, the ADC will kill me faster, because ADCs are tanky burst DPS assassin skirmisher champions.
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesoh okay, i see the level of intelligence in your arguement, and choose to agree to disagree
Sp33d Zer03 votesYou have to remember that the league boards have a huge marksman bias. You don't see it nearly as much on the reddit page.
Executioner1 votestrue.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteslol im told cait still burst people
and she is cancer, anti fun, aids, oppressive and all the other KEY WORDS when clearly she is a bad spot...
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesikr
Big Lincoln1 votesshe is tbh
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesshe is what ?
Doodlzzz1 votesshe's in a bad spot but she is still cancer, aids ,anti fun lol!
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesits ok if people dont like her... but people end up letting emotion/bias toward something influence and point at things that are easily played around..
i am annoyed to shit playing a teemo... its a pain in the ass, his damage, dot, shrooms the whole 9 but i dont want him gutted in ever fashion cuz i personally dont like the champ.
and even though i cant stand the fukin rat bastard i learned how to deal with him how to play around him and how to beat him. this can be done with her ...
im all for if they take the headshot passive off of the traps ( meaning it dont trigger headshot) but in order to do so she would need to be compensated , 1st would be revert the AS nerf growth , maybe reward her with more damage on headshot via the stack passive rewarding her to being in combat might give a slight ad growth buff.
but no one wants to offer any solutions to how to compensate the champ if you take something away
God Raijin1 votesI feel like this thread is somewhat cherry-picking at this point. People WERE saying that....but then 
got buffed
CrisisEchoes1 votesTbh if you feed a twitch to the point he has you literally deserve to get deleted. The only situation he can rush those is when hes snowballing. Wanna watch a twitch become useless, do what my enemies do. Gank him. Gank him with 4 people even.
(but rito muh 1v5 montage)(teamwork? Blasphemy)
Sp33d Zer01 votesTwitch with RFC is bad, you get runaans.
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Twitch with RFC is bad, you get runaans.
Youre actually wrong ^.^ depends on what youre trying to accomplish. If your goal is to 1shot a fed ass adc a rfc is going to help you exponentially more than a runans. Just cause pros dont build it, does not mean you as a soloqueue with an idiot mid assasin cant benefit from it
z63XnLCMwX1 votesYoure actually wrong ^.^ depends on what youre trying to accomplish. If your goal is to 1shot a fed ass adc a rfc is going to help you exponentially more than a runans. Just cause pros dont build it, does not mean you as a soloqueue with an idiot mid assasin cant benefit from it
Twitch can easily get a double kill on both mid and adc with ult. i'd pick RFC/Shiv for the burst.
CrisisEchoes1 votesTwitch can easily get a double kill on both mid and adc with ult. i'd pick RFC/Shiv for the burst.
Thanks for reiterating what i just said a little more clearly ^.^.
Sp33d Zer01 votesAnd you would be wrong. Twitch doesn't need RFC, It actually makes his dps lower, and doesn't give him extra burst. All it does for him as someone who stacks fervor and not warlords is have more shiv procs, which doesn't matter at all if you are trying to "1 shot" someone.
I used two different builds, one using a single runaans auto, one using a single RFC auto. The damage was identical. If you don't believe me: http://imgur.com/a/hSfzj
Tell me which one got hit by which auto.
Sp33d Zer01 votesIf your goal is to 1 shot a fed ass adc, you already have incredible range with your ult. The one auto attack you get out of RFC is not going to be enough to handle the job properly. Twitch by nature has a very short auto range, so in my actual play time with Twitch, I found RFC to be a terrible pick up. It puts you at a range where you will either waste time on your ult, waste the proc on rfc, or waste attack speed coming out of stealth.
You can also just look at the items Twitch builds in game. None of the top builds, nor in even .45% of twitch games, does he build RFC. Because IT IS BAD ON HIM https://na.op.gg/champion/twitch/statistics/adc
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If your goal is to 1 shot a fed ass adc, you already have incredible range with your ult. The one auto attack you get out of RFC is not going to be enough to handle the job properly. Twitch by nature has a very short auto range, so in my actual play time with Twitch, I found RFC to be a terrible pick up. It puts you at a range where you will either waste time on your ult, waste the proc on rfc, or waste attack speed coming out of stealth.
You can also just look at the items Twitch builds in game. None of the top builds, nor in even .45% of twitch games, does he build RFC. Because IT IS BAD ON HIM https://na.op.gg/champion/twitch/statistics/adc
Lets see... I chat with master tier adc mains quite frequently and they all agree on one thing. getting shiv/rfc after ie is the best way to assasinate someone. That on top of twitches absurd range and 1shot potential make it quite broken. Its not bad in certain situations. It all depends on the current build and what you want to accomplish. If your goal is to kill someone squishy ie statik rfc is the single best build to accomplish it. You can argue me all i want but i have over 200 ranked twitch games backing me in plat. Runans is VERY situational, and good when teams know how to teamfight... which doesnt really happen until master tier tbh.
Sp33d Zer01 votesIf RFC is good on twitch, why is it less popular on him than ninja tabi, or even just the shard by itself? If runaans is situational on twitch, why is it his most core item?
Hell, I even just loaded up the training tool. I did two seperate test dummys. One I hit with a single runaans crit with shiv, one I hit with a single rfc auto and shiv. The damage was identical at 457. Having an RFC did nothing to help the initial burst coming from me
z63XnLCMwX1 votes
Do you consider her an ADC or assassin?
I'm pretty confident I can burst as much as the next assassin albeit a little slower because of the animations.
Doodlzzz2 votesshe's more of an assassin because she doent really have much sustained damage and she usually inst in the botlane.
Craft Zeppelin1 votesRemember the horror of pre-revert kog which had enough dakka that burst-dps'ed ANY class that diving that thing was suicide.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesOh is that so? Never faced a good critical marksmen then.