" Vayne is Good Because it's A Tank Meta"

doublelift fg·Jun 27, 2015·9 votes·1,054 views

lmfao people didn't realise YET that Vayne deals more damage to squichy champions

1000 hp: 8%1000=80+60=140

total dmg: 14%

3000 hp: 8%3000=240+60=300

total dmg: 10%

140/1000>300/3000

So DID you understood now? it isn't because she is a tank killer, it is because her W has litle counterplay and she is almost uncatchable with stealth,knock-back/stun,tumble,and her freaking thresh/any support,meaning that tanks will have hard time to catch her unlike assassin (anyway assassins will have hard time to catch her too)

33 Comments

LarasoJun 27, 201510 votes

Vayne has to proc silver bolts 13 times to kill someone, not counting AA damage. Against a squishy target, the 140 damage you take after 3 shots is absolutely nothing compared to the raw damage her AA's are putting out.

Tanks on the other hand get hit way harder by the silver bolts, while shrugging off the majority of the damage that her auto attacks deal.

To say that 140 > 300 because 140 is a slightly greater percentage of 1000 than 300 is of 3000 is completely asinine in this instance.

doublelift fgJun 28, 20151 votes

so you're still saying that she deals more damage to squichy targets because they have no armor?

Mecha MaIphiteJul 3, 20151 votes

No shit squishy targets take more damage. They're squishy.

Take Malzahar. Still 100-0s a squishy with his combo, but only 100-40s a tank with the same combo. Does that mean Malzahar is not a tank killer? No, because a different, non tank-shredding mage would only 100-70 the tank, while still 100-0ing a squishy.

KONO RUBICK DAJul 2, 20151 votes

tanks don't get harder by silver bolts, aren't you seeing that? OP showed that squichy targets get hit harder by silver bolts AND doesn't shrug off the majority of damage

LarasoJul 2, 20151 votes

Yes, they do get hit harder. Tanks don't care about her AA's very much, but they feel the sting when they get hit by Silver Bolts. Squishies will die way before the damage of Silver Bolts is even slightly relevant.

AMYS GRAVEJul 2, 20152 votes

not counting AA damage.

ummm ... on an ADC... who mostly builds AD... to make their AA hurt...

LarasoJul 2, 20152 votes

That's exactly what I said, and you're completely missing the point. The damage on Silver Bolts is extremely insignificant compared to Vayne's AA's.

MohawkBirdJul 3, 20151 votes

All because her ult gives her a free BF and then some.

Clint OrrisJun 27, 20159 votes

No it's just that her damage does not fall off as hard against tankier champs...lol

Meep ManJun 27, 20151 votes

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No it's just that her damage does not fall off as hard against tankier champs...lol

And she can life steal more off of Tanks, who also dont have the damage to burst her down.

DeynaTaggerungJun 28, 20154 votes

Last I checked everyone does more damage to squishy champions...

WisniaksiadzJun 27, 20152 votes

that Vayne deals more damage to squichy champions as do Jinx as do Kogmaw as do Varus as do Draven as do Sivir as do Graves as do Kalista, do I need to continue? ;]

TheRakkunJun 27, 20153 votes

Jinx doesn't have the mobility Vayne does Nor does Kog maw Not does Varus Nor does Sivir Nor does Graves Kalista is the only exeption

but for all of these you can fucking itemize against them.

khorneyJun 27, 20151 votes

who cares fed kog trumps all the other adcs. vayne you need frozen heart rand omen and thornmail

TheRakkunJun 27, 20151 votes

Like fuck I'm going to buy them on a bloody Azir... Or any other midlaner for that matter... Also mobility adds survivability, that's why kogmaw isn't a common pick, he's not a safe as Vayne.

khorneyJun 27, 20151 votes

no i thought you were referring to a tank. but him get that rylais and liadnrys and melt he ass

LordGeovanniJun 28, 20153 votes

item 3153 item 3031 item 3072 item 3046 item 3006 item 3035 . no tank can itemize to beat vayne ever. even with help she just shits on allies first then come to kill the tank

khorneyJun 28, 20151 votes

I would get tri force over blood thirster

LordGeovanniJun 28, 20151 votes

blood thirster efficetively nulls most of what a thronmails would do. tri force i dont think id seen it on vayne before more than twice

khorneyJun 28, 20151 votes

tri force procs off her tumble and is very effective with the stats and passive on both effects. why people thik it sucks on her is beyond me its no diff then getting it on lucian, there is a reason i said get frozen heart and rand omen, the thing that makes vayn strong is silver bolts does true damage which they need to change to magic damage or somehting not true damage, but you get those 2 itmes to lower her attack speed by a lot

LordGeovanniJul 2, 20151 votes

which she can recover with crits and more attack speed items which is her build anyway so basically those items are of minimal importance

khorneyJul 2, 20151 votes

doing 200% basic ad damage evrytime you q

LordGeovanniJul 3, 20151 votes

230% without crit

khorneyJul 3, 20151 votes

250% and max q

JustMyBassCannonJun 27, 20152 votes

You're ignoring the fact that Vayne--like literally every marksman ever--deals damage to squishy champs faster than tanky champs because of Armor. So the fact that her true damage is dealing slightly more of a squishier champ's total HP than it does to a tanky champ's is moot bitching.

DJ Di0Jun 27, 20151 votes

Techincally 140<300 but I get what you're trying to imply. (Even if you go by the % damage done, you forget that someone with 3000 hp that builds /armor/ will have more effective health than a squishy who has 1000 hp along with no armor built, but Vayne has shredded the tank's effective health as well.)

The thing you have to remember is that all adc's are like that.

If Draven gets a crit off it's obviously going to do more damage to a squishy than a tank. The reason Vayne does so well in this meta is that she also deals consistent damage to tanks along with squishy targets because of Silver Bolts.

khorneyJun 27, 20151 votes

screw vayne ap varus kills anyone end of story. his w is like silver bolts except it does way way way more damage but you have to porc it with q e or r

theragingnerdJun 27, 20151 votes

i love that its someone with double lift in there name too complain about vayne

Mew Goes ADJun 28, 20151 votes

Honestly, if you are going to complain about Vayne, her damage shouldn't even be on the radar. Any ADC can melt a target. Draven, Jinks, and even Twitch put out the damages.

The issue with Vayne, if any, is dash spam and knockback. If she was as easy to catch as any of the other ADCs that had that high of damage output, no one would be saying anything.

doublelift fgJun 28, 20151 votes

that's what i said if you look closely

and i didn't complain about her damage, i just said that silver bolt deals less damage to tank

LordGeovanniJun 28, 20151 votes

tanks get shat on by everyone they cant even survive long enough to do much unless you are garen. tanks only punish teams that have like 4 of one damage type ad or ap if you have 2 ap and 2 ad and a support doing either tanks have to build both defense and still end up getting bursted down by assassin and adcs. tanks can only function efficently if your team fuked up and didnt build diversely vayne shits on everyone cause she can build alittle attack speed and crit a shit ton for extra attack speed with abunch of ad infinity edge and amlify with her q and flat true damge with her w procs.

MyrddinJun 28, 20151 votes

You think it's bad now, wait until she gets sated devourer

Reaper SorakaJul 2, 20151 votes

I remember looking at the damage of silver bolts in a game earlier today, I was playing brand. Tumble did about 46%, the knockback one took a small percentage (although still above silver bolts damage,) and Silver Bolts did 10%. I was shocked that the silver bolts itself was the lowest damage amount.

I assume the rest of it was regular auto-attacks, but the game feedback didn't list it all.