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@Riot, lets talk nidalee

SwiftKitten88··1 votes·778 views

TLDR: nidalee was reworked in patch 4.10... later i this thread i will be asking for a revert to patch 4.17 (along with other things) this is AFTER her rework, (AFTER he nuclear tips spears were removed) ,and AFTER her insane bruiser top lane was fixed. this is BEFORE she could jungle which was added in patch 5.2.

TLDR 2: i am NOT asking for nuclear tipped nidalee spears to come back. i don't NOT want that. NO ONE WANTS THAT!!! those were removed during her rework in patch 4.10.

as everyone knows... nidalee was 100% pick ban at worlds

now we had an HUGE assassin update... nidalee wasn't on it...

now i have posted countless threads about how nidalee is bad in lower elos... how nidalee lost THREE roles in order to "jungle" and all of that no one cares about and they just yell "nidalee is OP in higher elos" so she gets nerf after nerf after nerf

her mid top and support winrates are now below 40% in EVERY elo (these were her prevoius three roles that were ALL balanced at 48-50% as of patch 4.17 and before 5.2 hen you let her jungle.

her low elos winrate has been abysmal for months... and now you finally managed to kill her high elo win rate..

IT IS PATCH 6.21. YOU LET HER "JUNGLE" IN PATCH 5.2. AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T BALANCED HER

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING?

As i nidalee main i can tell you how you can balanced her across ALL elos and FOUR roles, in TWO STEPS wanna know how?

step one: direct revert to patch 4.17
NOTE:to those reading this and don't know what happened when, this is NOT her pre-rework version, she was reworked in 4.10, 4.17 is her final post-rework balance patch before they threw her into the jungle in patch 5.2. (aka 4.17 is when they fixed her bruiser top lane build) step two: add 6.15 takedown changes in

your done... obviously keep all the bugfixes and visual changes in aka
5.2 attack frame 5.3 bugfix 6.4 bugfix 6.13 visual change 6.15 bugfix

and the hidden, never at all mentioned, "invisible spear" bugfix, which took you FOREVER to fix...

but seriously.. that's ALL you have to do... and you REFUSE to do it.

nidalee can now mid, top and support, and she wont be OP in the jungle... becuase hunted will NOT proc on jungle mobs.

33 Comments

Jaygo412 votes

I can't tell if you're shitposting or plain ignorant

Support Nidalee AND Top Lane Nidalee were CANCER.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I can't tell if you're shitposting or plain ignorant

i could say the same to you... honestly you are the first person i EVER have seen complain about support nid, (OTHER than the ADC's i got who raged at me for picking support nid as their support)

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

support nid use to be cancer til they nerfed her Q drastically

nid has been played support, mid, top and primarily jungle now

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T22:20:07.979+0000)

support nid use to be cancer til they nerfed her Q drastically

nid has been played support, mid, top and primarily jungle now

i know... i have PLAYED her in over 100 games in ALL of those roles..

but her Q used to be cancer? are you talking pre-rework support nid or POST rework support nid?

and her "Q" is her spear AND her takedown.. i assume your talking "spear" but you should be more specific.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

not gonna use take down as a support you are gonna chunk spears and 1 shot champs as a support

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T22:30:13.655+0000)

not gonna use take down as a support you are gonna chunk spears and 1 shot champs as a support just out of curiously... have you EVER seen a support nidalee in ANY of your game... either on your team or not?

i mean i am having trouble comprehending where you people get half of these ideas...

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

that is what support nid use to do before the nerf on her spear

remember the further away you were when you hit a target the more damage it would do damn near if not being a 1 shot to champs

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T22:55:10.391+0000)

that is what support nid use to do before the nerf on her spear

remember the further away you were when you hit a target the more damage it would do damn near if not being a 1 shot to champs

... further you ARE... it STILL increases with damage at range, and when u say nerf to spear and not using takedown you must be talking about pre-rework support nidalee.

i DID play SOME of that in early season 3 and 4... but that was a LONG time ago.. and honestly that has NOTHING to do with this thread... nidalee was re-worked in patch 4.10.. her rework was finalized in patch 4.17 and she was thrown into the jungle at 5.2.

if you READ my i said step one was to do a direct revert to patch 4.17. which is CLEARLY after her rework which was done in 4.10.

so what is the point of bring up how she was before her rework... NO ONE wants that.

i would NEVER suggest bringing that back... hell i would be the person LEADING to riot to stop that from happening.

i mean sure pre-rework nid is more fun in ARAM.. but post rework nid is a millions times more from to play than her pre-rework in rift.

hell i would prefer her current 45% win rate nidalee rather than go back to pre-rework nidalee. sure i liked her before her rework... she was still my main... but her rework was a freaking DREAM COME TRUE.

Jaygo412 votes

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i could say the same to you... honestly you are the first person i EVER have seen complain about support nid, (OTHER than the ADC's i got who raged at me for picking support nid as their support)

I'm sorry if you're offended.

BUT RIGHTFULLY SO. Nidalee ISN'T a support. Unless she's COMPLETELY irrelevant, Nidalee has NEVER NOT been a problem.

Additionally I know for a fact that I have a better understanding of Nidalee than you do.

SwiftKitten881 votes

{quoted} Additionally I know for a fact that I have a better understanding of Nidalee than you do.

yeah.. those 2 nidalee games you played in 2015 make you a real expert on her

why dont you look at MY match history of her..

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/207008136?champion=76

scroll down until you hit the bottom... see how long it takes.. (and do post the result then you get there.. i am genuinely curious, i have never had the patience to try to reach the bottom of the list to see how far back it goes)

Jaygo411 votes

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yeah.. those 2 nidalee games you played in 2015 make you a real expert on her

why dont you look at MY match history of her..

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/207008136?champion=76

scroll down until you hit the bottom... see how long it takes.. (and do post the result then you get there.. i am genuinely curious, i have never had the patience to try to reach the bottom of the list to see how far back it goes)

OHH! Thanks for reminding me to check out some stats here. In ranked play, you're 8-11 on Nidalee, with a 1.89 KDA. While my ranked play on Nidalee was limited, I won BOTH of the games i played with a KDA of 6 and one of those games was game 5 of my series to Platinum. Additionally, I'm rank 7 with a number of pop off games. I play a lot of normal games, admittedly, but my winrate in norms is rather high and my level of competition is somewhere in the mid-plat low diamond level.

I'm also rank 7 on Nidalee. I HATE this champion, I think she's cancer, but I learned her and branched out from my usual array of fighters and tanks because I needed to learn this cancer champ to stay up to date on Jungle meta.

I assure you, my friend. If you were better at Nidalee, you'd have much better than a 46% win rate in silver V.

Don't try and pull stats if you don't want to see the rebuttal.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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OHH! Thanks for reminding me to check out some stats here. In ranked play, you're 8-11 on Nidalee, with a 1.89 KDA. While my ranked play on Nidalee was limited, I won BOTH of the games i played with a KDA of 6 and one of those games was game 5 of my series to Platinum. Additionally, I'm rank 7 with a number of pop off games. I play a lot of normal games, admittedly, but my winrate in norms is rather high and my level of competition is somewhere in the mid-plat low diamond level.

I'm also rank 7 on Nidalee. I HATE this champion, I think she's cancer, but I learned her and branched out from my usual array of fighters and tanks because I needed to learn this cancer champ to stay up to date on Jungle meta.

I assure you, my friend. If you were better at Nidalee, you'd have much better than a 46% win rate in silver V.

Don't try and pull stats if you don't want to see the rebuttal.

um, are you looking at THIS season? yeah im 8/11 with her THIS season... you want to look into those ranked stats? lets delve deeper you will see between july 2015 and feb 2-16 i didnt place a single nidalee ranked game... this is becuase i quit league during this time and only rejoined with the relase of her "challanger" skin, by which time was when i started nidalee JUNGLE as opposed to "laning nidalee" which you can see my the teleports ame not having smite..

you will ALSO see that during this ranked season i got support THIRTY games in a row despite it being my secondary each time with jungle primary.

AND you will see that AFTER i climbed from bronze to silver for the THIRD SEASON IN A ROW, i STOPPED playing ranked. because there was NO POINT in playing ranked in a season where ranked meant nothing. and getting to gold would mean NOTHING if i did it THIS season. so i went back up to silver 5 to keep my silver border and stopped

my ranked stats on her this season don't mean anything because i didn't PLAY ranked this season.

i mean god.. if you looked at my profile this season by only RANKED games you would think i am a support main... XD

Jaygo411 votes

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um, are you looking at THIS season? yeah im 8/11 with her THIS season... you want to look into those ranked stats? lets delve deeper you will see between july 2015 and feb 2-16 i didnt place a single nidalee ranked game... this is becuase i quit league during this time and only rejoined with the relase of her "challanger" skin, by which time was when i started nidalee JUNGLE as opposed to "laning nidalee" which you can see my the teleports ame not having smite..

you will ALSO see that during this ranked season i got support THIRTY games in a row despite it being my secondary each time with jungle primary.

AND you will see that AFTER i climbed from bronze to silver for the THIRD SEASON IN A ROW, i STOPPED playing ranked. because there was NO POINT in playing ranked in a season where ranked meant nothing. and getting to gold would mean NOTHING if i did it THIS season. so i went back up to silver 5 to keep my silver border and stopped

my ranked stats on her this season don't mean anything because i didn't PLAY ranked this season.

i mean god.. if you looked at my profile this season by only RANKED games you would think i am a support main... XD

NGL don't particularly care about your other stats. You're missing the point entirely. Nidalee is cancer. Playing against people that are decent at the game and very good at Nidalee are oppressive and not fun to play against. She's supposed to be a jungler, honestly.

Please deal with it.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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NGL don't particularly care about your other stats. You're missing the point entirely. Nidalee is cancer. Playing against people that are decent at the game and very good at Nidalee are oppressive and not fun to play against. She's supposed to be a jungler, honestly.

Please deal with it.

... you say she is "supposed to be a jungler"

lore wise... yes...

game wise, BEFORE patch 5.2.. BEFORE she could jungle.. you want to know who begged Riot to let her jungle?? ME and you want to know what.. i was pretty convincing... because they finally DID IT

and i don't know if you have read "The Monkey's Paw", but that just about sums it up what happened next...

Jaygo411 votes

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... you say she is "supposed to be a jungler"

lore wise... yes...

game wise, BEFORE patch 5.2.. BEFORE she could jungle.. you want to know who begged Riot to let her jungle?? ME and you want to know what.. i was pretty convincing... because they finally DID IT

and i don't know if you have read "The Monkey's Paw", but that just about sums it up what happened next...

Ok. So she's being balanced around a position that she's supposed to be. She's incredibly high skill cap and has dominated ALL season long. I don't get the argument

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

now we had an HUGE assassin update... nidalee wasn't on it...

didnt know she was an assassin ?

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-03T21:19:19.902+0000)

now we had an HUGE assassin update... nidalee wasn't on it...

didnt know she was an assassin ?

um... where have you been the past 2 years... she has been an assassin ever since her 4.10 rework.... you know June 20th 2014...

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

thought she was a fighter/diver

similar to diana

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T21:28:35.076+0000)

thought she was a fighter/diver

similar to diana

not quite.... divers like Diana have abilities that let them go in and tank, but not get out, they usally have some sort of CC or shield. and have the ability to stay and fight after they kill thier target, or contuine the fight after they use all thier spells

assasins like divers have the ability to dive in really fast.. and burst you, but do NOT ability to stay and fight, instead if they fail they have an escape...

so champ like Leblanc and Zed (well known assassins) have the ability to go in AND out but are VERY squishy and prone to CC and generally have very little HP and get blown up fast if they try to stay

DIVERS like Diana have the ability do in.. and blow you up just as fast as an assassin. but can also stay and fight in melee range afterwards.. but DON'T have an escape move.

nidalee is squishy.. has no HP, and has an escape.. but like all other assassins.. she will get instantly blown up if she stays in, which is WHY her pounce reset is there in the first place.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

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not quite.... divers like Diana have abilities that let them go in and tank, but not get out, they usally have some sort of CC or shield. and have the ability to stay and fight after they kill thier target, or contuine the fight after they use all thier spells

assasins like divers have the ability to dive in really fast.. and burst you, but do NOT ability to stay and fight, instead if they fail they have an escape...

so champ like Leblanc and Zed (well known assassins) have the ability to go in AND out but are VERY squishy and prone to CC and generally have very little HP and get blown up fast if they try to stay

DIVERS like Diana have the ability do in.. and blow you up just as fast as an assassin. but can also stay and fight in melee range afterwards.. but DON'T have an escape move.

nidalee is squishy.. has no HP, and has an escape.. but like all other assassins.. she will get instantly blown up if she stays in, which is WHY her pounce reset is there in the first place.

just like DIANA nid only goes in if her spear hits or someone steps on a trap then she transforms and dives in

diana goes in when she lands q to proc her reset on her R and has

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T21:40:36.673+0000)

just like DIANA nid only goes in if her spear hits or someone steps on a trap then she transforms and dives in

diana goes in when she lands q to proc her reset on her R and has

... diana doesn't NEED to land her Q to use her ultimate... she can use it anyways it just goes on cooldown... which honestly is only 16 seconds anyways...

but that has nothing to do with assassins vs divers

also like i said... diana is built to STAY and fight.. THAT is the difference between "divers" and "assasins"

"divers" go in are tanky and can do extended fights, which why diana has a SHIELD and a CC and a passive that increases her autos "assassin go in and then get out, which is why they have ESCAPES and are squishy... which is why nidalee has an escape.. and a heal to heal up after she runs away with her tail tucked between her legs

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

{quoted}

... diana doesn't NEED to land her Q to use her ultimate... she can use it anyways it just goes on cooldown... which honestly is only 16 seconds to behind with anyways...

but that has nothing to do with assassins vs divers

also like i said... diana is built to STAY and fight.. THAT is the difference between "divers" and "assasins"

"divers" go in are tanky and can do extended fights, which why diana has a SHIELD and a CC "assassin go in and then get out, which is why they have ESCAPES and are squishy...

and nid has a built in heal that is strong when she has ap making her tanky and have sustain

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T21:46:46.285+0000)

and nid has a built in heal that is strong when she has ap making her tanky and have sustain

... a HEAL does not stop you from getting blow up... it is only going to save you if you can survive long enough to use it... you are NOT goign to be swapping to human form after you pounce in, which you would need to do to use your heal... you pounce.. deal damage.. pounce OUT, THEN heal..

if you HEAL first.. you CAN'T pounce out because of the cooldown between forms. which means your STILL dead.. becuase instead of youing your ESCAPE ability you used your "stand still and heal" ability and made it so you cant USE your escape till your form change comes off cooldown.. which by which time you will be LONG dead.

Cloud2731 votes

{quoted}

not quite.... divers like Diana have abilities that let them go in and tank, but not get out, they usally have some sort of CC or shield. and have the ability to stay and fight after they kill thier target, or contuine the fight after they use all thier spells

assasins like divers have the ability to dive in really fast.. and burst you, but do NOT ability to stay and fight, instead if they fail they have an escape...

so champ like Leblanc and Zed (well known assassins) have the ability to go in AND out but are VERY squishy and prone to CC and generally have very little HP and get blown up fast if they try to stay

DIVERS like Diana have the ability do in.. and blow you up just as fast as an assassin. but can also stay and fight in melee range afterwards.. but DON'T have an escape move.

nidalee is squishy.. has no HP, and has an escape.. but like all other assassins.. she will get instantly blown up if she stays in, which is WHY her pounce reset is there in the first place.

The cooldown on her ult refreshes if she kills someone with it, so she actually does get an escape if she gets the kill.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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The cooldown on her ult refreshes if she kills someone with it, so she actually does get an escape if she gets the kill.

i dont play diana... so i don't know the specifics of her abilties, but i THINK her ulti needs a target.. so u can use it to "escape" unless have a target to dash to that you are using as an "escape". and honestly that is more liely a tool to let her continuing fighting the NEXT target after she kills the first one... the only time you are going to use your "escape" pounce (the one you get from the partial reset) aggressively is if you DIDN'T kill the target, but would be able to finish them off with an auto after you pounced after them (usually from item 3100 ) and even THEN the pounce would reset again. so unless you are chasing.. like 4 targets that are 1 hit away form dying.. you use your pounce to run.

Cloud2731 votes

{quoted}

i dont play diana... so i don't know the specifics of her abilties, but i THINK her ulti needs a target.. so u can use it to "escape" unless have a target to dash to that you are using as an "escape". and honestly that is more liely a tool to let her continuing fighting the NEXT target after she kills the first one... the only time you are going to use your "escape" pounce (the one you get from the partial reset) aggressively is if you DIDN'T kill the target, but would be able to finish them off with an auto after you pounced after them (usually from item 3100 ) and even THEN the pounce would reset again. so unless you are chasing.. like 4 targets that are 1 hit away form dying.. you use your pounce to run.

You are correct about this. This is why I can't take people seriously when they complain about Yasuo's dashes. He has the same problem as Diana. He can get in easily, but he can't get out unless he has another target.

Montage Mee1 votes

I totally agree with you on this, I really like nidalee in the way her **abilities **work atm. She has always been one of those must pick or ban champs just because the power spike she reaches, i also think she should have been part of the Assassin update and gotten some kind of changes but no apperantly with all her mobility and jumps she's not an assassin worth to rework or change, this really bothers me.

Nidalee needs changes to her Abilities to be more fluent in the jungle.

but as now it's not terrible to play Nidalee jungle but it works. pls fix rito [slayer-jinx-unamused]

SwiftKitten881 votes

and honestly... I'm a nidalee main... why are you even _attempting _ to argue with me the proper use of her abilities.

i mean it's like the time i was visiting my parents, and my mother tried to tell me how to use the shower window and fan together and i told her it would be better to keep the window closed and she started to disagree I'm like: "MOM!!! I'M AM AIRCRAFT MECHANIC! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY ARGUING AERODYNAMICS WITH ME? and she was like "Oh, right..."

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol mechanic isnt an engineer

im an auto tech for a dealership dont mean im an auto engineer

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwyZTscK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-03T22:04:16.693+0000)

lol mechanic isnt an engineer

im an auto tech for a dealership dont mean im an auto engineer

ok this is getting WAY off topic... but for the record... have you EVER gone through airport security after 9/11? they don't let just ANYONE fix aircraft... you can look into specifics.. but... ill just start off with 1900 hour verify documented formal training. and that just to ALLOW you to TAKE the SIX FAA tests you need to pass... i could go on.. but seriously... this is getting WAY off topic..

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

not saying you cant turn a wrench brah

i can turn one too...

but i use a lap top for 90% of my work on cars

im what they call a "drive ability " technician i work with the communication systems, computer modules, electronics, fuel& tune, emissions etc more like an IT TECH with a wrench is the best way i describe it

there is alot of training and technical things that goes into being a aircraft mechanic ... but we both know we are far from being engineers lol

WoonStruck1 votes

Pretty much this.

Techs/mechanics do not usually design and build the things in the area of their expertise.

You can refer to yourself as an engineer or tech, rather than mechanic, to fluff up a resume, but it holds the risk of being called out on it or ending up in a position you do not have the experience for.

SwiftKitten881 votes

well based on another thread i know at least 1 person read my TLDR of the OP...

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