Compared to Luden echo/ Liandries, Spell binder does very little damage. (Some maths)

xxxMadLionxxx··2 votes·1,138 views

Lets just say on average, most mages do about 200%- 250% AP damage on a full rotation of spells. Now, after charging Spell binder to 100 stack, you then get 80 more AP upon activation.

80 AP * 200% ap scaling is an extra 160 magic damage. Even at 300% ap scaling, thats a whooping 240 extra magic damage.

Compared to Ludens passive, you get 100 magic damage plus 10% ap.

If the mage had 800 AP Ludens does 180 magic damage.

The big contrast is how easy it is to access the extra damage from Ludens, while spell binder take forever to charge for very almost the same damage.

I could probably proc Ludens, 10 times more than it would take to stack spell binder to 100. Liandries does about the same as Luden and more depending on the target health and how long the burn last.

Morello can deny 100-800 health in healing depending on the champ.

And having 120 vs 90 from ludens doesn't make much of a difference as Ludens can be used with transcendence to increase the AP. And the movespeed active is pitiful as it decays. And the best part, after taking forver to stack the item, the active is only 4 seconds long. Compared to Essence reaver that last for 6 seconds.

Overall, spell binder is in a terrible state and is basically a noob trap item. Waste of gold if purchased.

8 Comments

Beatrice falls2 votes

The window once you use it is so small that if you aren't Ryze or Annie, you're going to land 1/3 of your combo with the enhanced AP. Useless item is useless

Chibi Bronzlife1 votes

uuuugh spellbinder isn't really a damage focused item, it's a utility item that enhances damage stats, it's more beneficial for supports who get less AP overall imo.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

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uuuugh spellbinder isn't really a damage focused item, it's a utility item that enhances damage stats, it's more beneficial for supports who get less AP overall imo.

I thought is was a new item riot created specifically for mages to go bot lane. Which failed btw cause all mages now need a mana item first.

Chibi Bronzlife2 votes

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I thought is was a new item riot created specifically for mages to go bot lane. Which failed btw cause all mages now need a mana item first.

ummm doran's ring is a mana item. mages have gone bot lane before this item existed, I really don't see what the problem is.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chibi Bronzlife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwpjBaeB,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-26T18:23:45.854+0000)

ummm doran's ring is a mana item. mages have gone bot lane before this item existed, I really don't see what the problem is.

Dude, do you even play mages?

Chibi Bronzlife2 votes

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Dude, do you even play mages?

of course, do you?

xRadiant2 votes

I cant name a single support who builds this other than if someone wants to carry on full AP rakan :P

Psyrix1 votes

Spellbinder isn’t a constant buff, it’s a situational buff like a reverse Zhonya’s, instead of defense it’s for offense. The movespeed and extra dmg is really good on ap assassins for when they want to make a quick pick then get out. Or champs that want to get in the thick of it quickly (Vladimir and AP Rakan). Also functions well on healing/shielding supports who want an extra burst of healing situationally.

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