Support itemization PBE changes

Ahristocats··3 votes·769 views

Ardent Censer Unique Passive's Attack speed and attack drain on hit now scale up based on target's level. Attack speed scales from 20% up to 35% based on Target's Level (from 20%) Attack health drain on hit increased to 20-35 based on Target's Level (from 20%)

Athene's Unholy Grail [p] MR increased to 30 from 25

Chalice of Harmony [p] MR increased to 30 from 25

Eye of the Equinox Now has +10% CDR
Total cost increased to 2300 from 2200 (combine cost increased to 650 from 550)

Knight's Vow [p] Total cost lowered to 2300 from 2400 (combine cost down to 700 from 800)

Mikael's Crucible [p] MR increased to 40 from 35

Redemption Health lowered to 300 from 400 Mana regen increased to 125% from 75% Unique Active - heal value lowered to [40 +25 per level] from [130 + 20 per level]

Tl dr: -redemption is still a must on ALL supports but at lvl 18, rushing redemption is weak now -knight's vow is better for tanky supports, and eye of the equinox finally has CDR -Ardent censor is going to break adc once again

you're welcome

8 Comments

k wìx1 votes

It's interesting to see the MR Changes, I think Rito is trying to predict the AP Meta-shift bot lane and throw in some preliminary balance adjustments.

The problem I have with Ardent Censor is that it's broken on champions who can RAPIDLY heal and shield, like Karma Janna , but pretty much worthless on anyone who can't heal or shield, it's very polarizing.

Oleandervine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=k wìx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwd2xrG6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-12T13:32:28.074+0000)

It's interesting to see the MR Changes, I think Rito is trying to predict the AP Meta-shift bot lane and throw in some preliminary balance adjustments.

The problem I have with Ardent Censor is that it's broken on champions who can RAPIDLY heal and shield, like Karma Janna , but pretty much worthless on anyone who can't heal or shield, it's very polarizing.

You don't ever take it on anyone who can't heal or shield. You lose all of the passives if you don't take it on someone who can heal or shield.

That being said, most champions who can use the item bot lane can use it effectively. Off the top of my head, only Nami has one of the least spammable heals/shields, and even then, with CDR, it's not insufferable because it has potential to heal multiples. There isn't a single support with heals or shields that isn't using the item fully to potential, because most supports can near continuously recast their heals and shields consistently.

k wìx1 votes

Soraka average of 4 seconds... Taric 7.5 seconds.... Sona about 8 seconds... Orianna 9 seconds... Karma 9 seconds... Nami 10 seconds... Janna 10 seconds... Lulu 10 seconds... Ivern about 10 seconds... Nidalee 12 seconds... Lux 12 seconds... Alistar 15 seconds-ish Kayle 15 seconds... Thresh 20 seconds... Morgana 20 seconds... Does it work with her shield? no idea.

So Soraka/Taric/Sona are potentially getting the most out of it, while Thresh/Morg/Kayle are getting the least benefit.

Near continuously doesn't seem accurate, in my opinion - even with CDR.

Oleandervine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=k wìx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwd2xrG6,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-12T14:26:19.240+0000)

Soraka average of 4 seconds... Taric 7.5 seconds.... Sona about 8 seconds... Orianna 9 seconds... Karma 9 seconds... Nami 10 seconds... Janna 10 seconds... Lulu 10 seconds... Ivern about 10 seconds... Nidalee 12 seconds... Lux 12 seconds... Alistar 15 seconds-ish Kayle 15 seconds... Thresh 20 seconds... Morgana 20 seconds... Does it work with her shield? no idea.

So Soraka/Taric/Sona are potentially getting the most out of it, while Thresh/Morg/Kayle are getting the least benefit.

Near continuously doesn't seem accurate, in my opinion - even with CDR.

I forget Thresh shields ... but how or why would he or Alistar want to build the item? It directly defies their intended play styles of being tanky disruptors. They are not designed to be protectors or spam shields/heals given that their main objective is to charge in and soak damage. The item does not make sense on them from the start.

Ahristocats1 votes

Sona heal cd is almost 3 sec in late game

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=k wìx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bwd2xrG6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-12T13:32:28.074+0000)

It's interesting to see the MR Changes, I think Rito is trying to predict the AP Meta-shift bot lane and throw in some preliminary balance adjustments.

The problem I have with Ardent Censor is that it's broken on champions who can RAPIDLY heal and shield, like Karma Janna , but pretty much worthless on anyone who can't heal or shield, it's very polarizing.

Soraka + item 3083 item 3504

Her heals do not put her in combat.

LetMePullYou1 votes

Will item 2303 be better as item 3401 now?

I think I would still rather buy Face of the Mountain since it offers Blitzcrank some saving/shielding power.

rtbf2216514121 votes

On no... The heal was nerfed by 5. Whatever should we do? 130 base was ridiculous though. lol.

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