Zhonya's Hourglass needs a rework

Drunk Rummate··2 votes·2,027 views

This item is interesting in nature. It gives squishy AP champions an opportunity to build defensively. It's especially useful against assassins. Unfortunately it also has the side effect of being too useful for assassins. EX: Fizz, Akali

Zhonyas, for the most part, is fine. The active has a long cooldown and it can be easily punished. The biggest issue I see is when it is combined with high damage assassins who have slippery kits by nature (namely the two I listed already - Fizz and Akali). Akali jumps on her target, shrouds, finishes her burst cycle, and then casts the Zhonya's active to negate the 4 CC and burst abilities that are flying at her from the victim's teammates. Fizz completely overextends into the enemy team, gets a kill with his burst, casts Zhonyas, and then his cooldowns are back and he slides right back out of the fight untouched.

Despite this, I think Hourglass is a good item. A necessary item, even. The main reason I would cite is because it gives mages the defenses they need against these very same assassins (amongst others). It's the only thing that keeps many immobile mages viable. So how do you rework the item so that mages will use it, but assassins will not? That's where it gets tricky.

One approach could be reducing the total AP on the item and increasing the resistances. Assassins by default want to rush high amounts of AP. If Zhonyas gave 60 or 80 instead of 120, Fizz might think twice about that Lich Bane -> Zhonyas build.
-So in that vein, I'd recommend adding a new intermediate item to the game that builds into Zhonyas in place of the needlessly large rod. A twin to seekers armguard that gives magic resist and stacks. The final Zhonyas item would be ~~60 ~~ 80 AP, 40 armor, and 30 MR with the invincibility active.

The above may not solve the issue. But ideally with only 60 AP, assassins like Akali and Fizz would not be able to afford this item in their build unless they wanted to surrender the majority of their burst damage. That's my suggestion, what do you think? Any other alternatives?

5 Comments

Gorsz2 votes

So what you're saying is we should nerf one of the only items that make AP casters viable because a couple champions are annoying with it.

AP casters need the AP to be viable.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

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So what you're saying is we should nerf one of the only items that make AP casters viable because a couple champions are annoying with it.

Hourglass is the only defense against for the most part AGAINST those champions.

What I proposed would be a buff against those champions in my opinion. 400g cost reduction, you can buy it in smaller pieces, and more resistances. You can feel free to disagree with me but I've always found that more resistances faster is the best way to counter burst champions. Building a needlessly large rod to fight against Fizz as Orianna just feels silly to me.

PrinceArchie1 votes

Yea building more attack and effectively saying "the best defense is a good offense" is fighting fire with fire. You're essentially playing into an assassin's hands where quite literately their best defense is outplay and burst in other words offense. I think having the rod though or some other AP item (like blasting wand) is ok. But if this change were to happen AP assassins wouldn't benefit as greatly from this as easily which is a huge step in the right direction.

PrinceArchie1 votes

But he brings up an interesting point. Honestly nerfing the amount of AP it gives and increasing the resistances only bolsters what it can do "against" those champions. I Play alot of Diana Jungle so I sometimes even rush this item as a tool for initiation as the off-tank, while also knowing I sale extremely well of AP. Coming from that perspective I like the idea a lot.

Zhonyas is a bit over the top in that it's active is arguably the strongest in game while also giving a huge amount of flat AP with considerable defense. Toning down the AP to 80 is adequate, 60 is a stretch but honestly that would be very interesting. As it would effectively change the nature of the item in terms of who's buying it in what situation. Riot should definitely try this. Im all for it.

N3mO061 votes

Oh M8...you are the only one who share my same idea! Zhonyas is defensive, offensive snowbolling object, so if you are winning this object can give you enough ap to continue to win and an activable to being immortal if focussed. The only way to balance this item is to trasform Zhonyas in a difensive item.

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