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Can you imagine if you suddenly made it so Jax or Irelia didn't need to get mana at all and could start long sword instead of corrupting pot
Or if you made it so Mages didn't need to get mana/manaregen and just buy raw damage
Because that's what Riot did to Jayce by letting him skip tear
Sahn Uzal54 votesYes... Let's make Jax manaless...
FalconPawwwwnch7 voteslmao
Erractic Eick10 votesYES. YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
While we're at it, give him a REAL weapon!
Drahcir15 voteswhoah man, that's going too far.
Melledoneus4 votesLet's also let him break the CDR cap and hit 90%.
IPromiseTomorrow7 votesLet's make him dodge turret shots! Let's make him have extra Ad for buying ad! Let's make him break the AtkSpd cap and make 5.0 AtkSpd his limit!
Can't believe all of what I said happend in League.
IcyPepper5 votesBut not all on the same champion :V
IPromiseTomorrow2 votesBut it all happened in league at one point
IcyPepper4 votesIt's a good meme, but it's not all bad. Unique mechanics such as those just haven't been balanced appropriately or whatever, although we shouldn't discourage Rito from experimenting at all. And some of those mechanics work if they're an appropriate balancing lever (like Zed's W passive).
Although, it's like Jurassic Park. Sometimes you shouldn't do something just because you can :V
IPromiseTomorrow4 votesAlthough, it's like Jurassic Park. Sometimes you shouldn't do something just because you can :V
That's true. Riot was thinking of a Thresh ultimate that gives 80%cdr to an ally. Also it was 80%CDR added ontop of the allies CDR so it'd give the ally NO COOLDOWNS.
Like holy hell broken. Luckily Riot didn't let CertainlyT slip that in lol.
IcyPepper3 votes
heavy breathing
D2Vincent6 votesscrew that, let Thresh loose with a Karthus and get 2 ults out of that! :D
Heavier Breathing
Blackstone017 votesIf that actually existed I'm pretty sure the collective orgasms of every Karthus main would cause the Earth to be annihilated.
Sahn Uzal3 votesI don't think CertainlyT wanted to ship that. He tested it, but I don't think other Rioters needed to stop him from shipping it live...
HateDaddy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bm45kmLE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-11T18:53:44.798+0000)
Yes... Let's make Jax manaless...
Jekth*
GigaPube24 votesthis post is as dumb as the arrow pointing to your own title lmao. nobody "should" be "mana-gated". nobodies "letting" jayce skip tear. item builds are peoples choices, as are the champions they play. you dont just look at something and think immediately "well the pros arent building manamune on jayce, therefore hes broken". these kinds of assumptions are so close-minded and they show how much you cant think for yourself if the only thing you can back your argument up with is the assumption that the pros are playing it and they're magical gods compared to everyone with anything to do with league of legends and that none of their decisions are wrong and we must all learn to copy them before we can come close to being anywhere near as good. literally your post shows absolutely nothing to back up your claims besides what ive said so why should anyone take you seriously if all you can do is point at the pros and make them take all the blame and force them to backup their reasoning.
Handin Out Naps11 votesAh the good old "I dont understand how anything works, pro play means nothing" argument.
Meep Man14 votesWhat did Riot do that suddenly made Jayce not gated by mana?
Jinzo Torrance7 votesMelee E cost was reduced from 40>50>60>70>80>90 to 40 mana at all ranks
YumaS2Astral29 votesMelee E cost was reduced from 40>50>60>70>80>90 to 40 mana at all ranks
Actually, most Jayce players do not max E until late game. I suppose that this could had an impact on his late game, allowing him to rely less on Tear to not go OOM late. However, he could always go without Tear for a better early game. It is important to remember that his Q mana costs were reduced - not on this patch, but on patch 6.6
But for real, the reason why Jayce is popular now is the bug fix and the change to his hammer stance bonus damage from AP to bonus AD (it is still magic damage, though)
You can still get Tear if you want to go with a build focused on spamming Q late game. However, because of Jayce's early game power, most players are skipping Tear and going directly for Ghostblade to better take advantage of that.
Punching Top2 votesWait, isn't maxing Q-E better than maxing Q-W ? (Serious question, I have no experience with jayce)
Jinzo Torrance11 votesDepends, Q>E vs tanks or bruiser, Q>W squishy (Rumble, Lulu, Kennen). But W is generally better for the mana gain on attack, faster pushing thanks to the AoE damage and increased DPS.
ChaoticPinecone2 votesShort answer, no.
Long answer: Jayce used get the cooldown on his Acceleration Gate down to 10 seconds a long time ago (40% CDR meant that your Q+E combo was up every 6 seconds). It got nerfed to a flat 16 at all ranks. Since then, Ive found that Maxing W second is the best. When he used to have a 10 second Acceleration Gate, it was nice for spamming the Shock Blast+Acceleration Gate combo for poking them down, then going all-in with the higher damage of the To The Skies + Thundering Blow combo. With the increased cooldown on the Accleration Gate, you just arent going to have as many opportunities for poking them down with the Shock Blast + Acceleration Gate. You rely on your W's 3 quick shots as part of your "poke" before you all-in them.
But of course, this is in general in an even lane. If the enemy is armor stacking or health stacking, E might be better - your poke and auto harass isnt going to do much if the enemy rushes Thornmail. E is also definitely better in matchups where you cant get much autoattack harass off, since it gives you a higher all-in.
TL;DR - W is better if youre actually autoattacking.
Erockandroll2 votesActually, most Jayce players do not max E until late game. I suppose that this could had an impact on his late game, allowing him to rely less on Tear to not go OOM late. However, he could always go without Tear for a better early game. It is important to remember that his Q mana costs were reduced - not on this patch, but on patch 6.6
But for real, the reason why Jayce is popular now is the bug fix and the change to his hammer stance bonus damage from AP to bonus AD (it is still magic damage, though)
You can still get Tear if you want to go with a build focused on spamming Q to poke enemies until they are low or until they die. However, most players are going for the lane bully style, still maxing Q but focusing more on his hammer stance. For that playstyle, skipping Tear is better.
Well his W passive on his hammer stance does give back mana on auto attack. It's not like all of his builds were that reliant on tear. And in another sense, skipping tear makes him more mana gated, cause you have fewer spells to work with before you have to return to fountain. (And if you take him mid lane, you can pretty much rely on Blue buff.
The problem in balancing Jayce comes from his duel form. It gives him a variety styles of play, each of which use different builds. And right now, he's moving from a high capacity AD Siege, to a burst caster/skirmisher. Which means he can trade his mana battery for a little more bursting power. (and that is some how a problem?)
Though if Riot had to pick a direction for Jayce, it would likely be one where both stances work in unison. That wouldn't like be the AD siege build. (nor the Bruiser build that I prefer) But that scrappier skirmisher rout. Of coarse, that will be up in the air come preseason, as those armor pen items are getting looked at.
Ben Sharpio14 votesmake Sion manaless and give him a gun like jayce as well.
Ralanr1 votesA gun? All he needs is a axe big enough to do Q's the size of the lane in 2 seconds.
Tots fair bro.
Melledoneus1 votesWhat kind of person doesn't want their main to have a gun?
TyrekGoldenspear8 votesGraves mains.
They want him to have a cigar.
Melledoneus2 votesWhat if he had a cigar gun?
ThatHaleState7 votesThey lowered 1 abilites mana cost.... his E went from 40/50/60/70/80/90 to 40 at all ranks..... If Jayce wants to spam he still needs tear. The Pros play jayce now because Poke is in season and they know how to manage their mana pools.
Vallalan2 votes50 mana is huge.
Auz the Ripper14 votesBut it's on a skill that is traditionally maxed last and generally not used too often
wiggywonka7 votesjayce is fine just cuz the pros play him doesnt mean hes op. ive seen countless times in worlds where the jayce goes oom and cant do anything in a fight. Also most jayces we've seen so far just feeds lane and doesnt do anything
Vallalan2 voteshe is definitely too strong right now. no one is flat out graves rework level busted, but lets be real. jayce, syndra, nidalee, cassio are too good.
wiggywonka6 votesnobody was saying syndra and jayce were strong before worlds.
Vallalan3 votesnobody was playing them until they realized they were too strong. who cares if it took world to make people realize they are op. they are none the less op.
The Deckowner7 votesjax and irelia are bad examples, maybe use varus xerath ziggs ezreal as examples.
Irelia Bot3 votesWell then let us look at lux and Ahri who still have some mana limits.
Say that Lux E and Ahri Q had a mana cost of 20/25/30/35/40
They would be able to stay in lane spamming abilities for as long as they need to to get a no trade off back.
Cloud2734 votes^
Can you imagine if you suddenly made it so Jax or Irelia didn't need to get mana at all and could start long sword instead of corrupting pot
Or if you made it so Mages didn't need to get mana/manaregen and just buy raw damage
Because that's what Riot did to Jayce by letting him skip tear
What if we did this for Ryze, Cassiopeia, and Ezreal? Some of the most mana hungry champs in this game. I don't think it would break them. Ezreal and Cass still have to land their skillshots, or they can't do sh*t. Ryze would just hit his power spike a little bit earlier.
PermabannedGaren46 votesWhat if we did this for Ryze, Cassiopeia, and Ezreal? Some of the most mana hungry champs in this game. I don't think it would break them. Ezreal and Cass still have to land their skillshots, or they can't do sh*t. Ryze would just hit his power spike a little bit earlier.
It would make them fucking ridiculously stupid lol.
Cloud2733 votesIt would make them fucking ridiculously stupid lol.
They all have less than a 50% win rate. This would be a much needed buff for them. And even with the changes, Jayce only has a 50% win rate. He is in a healthy spot.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
Toastersaot18 votesThey all have less than a 50% win rate. This would be a much needed buff for them. And even with the changes, Jayce only has a 50% win rate. He is in a healthy spot.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
Jayce, who most people agree has a hig skill cap due to him having to combo his abilities well, knowing when to use what combos, when to go in melee, etc. is popular yet still has a 50% Winrate.
Ralanr3 votesOh shit. Above 8% playrate and 51% winrate?
That doesn't seem right at all.
The Bardic Gay22 votesWhat if we did this for Ryze, Cassiopeia, and Ezreal? Some of the most mana hungry champs in this game. I don't think it would break them. Ezreal and Cass still have to land their skillshots, or they can't do sh*t. Ryze would just hit his power spike a little bit earlier.
Is this a joke? Cass would rush Rylai's, press E on a champ, land a Q for free since you're slowed by 40%, them mash E over and over again with inpunity because the only thing keeping her from doing that at all times is that it's pretty taxing on her mana pool to spam E without getting the mana restore. Ezreal would be tossing out Qs on a constant basis and would be absolutely impossible to lane against a remotely competent one because of the combination of poke and safety without the fear of going OOM.
Punching Top3 votesrush Rylai's, press E on a champ, land a Q for free since you're slowed by 40%, them mash E over and over again with inpunity
like.. current 
?
The Bardic Gay14 voteslike.. current
Well... yes, but like... without the potential of running oom while doing so.
Chad Te Employee3 votesWait 
needs mana? I play him jungle and build 
for the stats not the mana...
General Esdeath 2 votesWait what do you mean? He can skip tear? When did this happen?
TheHypeGoku2 votes^
Can you imagine if you suddenly made it so Jax or Irelia didn't need to get mana at all and could start long sword instead of corrupting pot
Or if you made it so Mages didn't need to get mana/manaregen and just buy raw damage
Because that's what Riot did to Jayce by letting him skip tear
As a Jax main for 3 seasons I can tell you Jax is hardly a mana hungry champion. I also never start corruption potion, and if I do it's not for the mana. It's for health/dot damage. I always Doran Blade on Jax. Long live #Hashinshin
