A Point Worth Making About Swain

Smitemuffin··2 votes·404 views

If you look at Swain's kit and what he does, he actually bears a striking resemblance to a juggernaut. Rather than specifically nerf a champ with enough obvious problems that he's barely played, why not embrace his strengths and round him out? For example:

  1. Replace his passive. Having a mana regen passive is far less an identity-defining ability than it is a band-aid over the obscene mana costs he was given. Even with that passive, Swain players sometimes feel they need to buy item 3174

  2. Buff his defenses while in his ultimate. Swain needs too much of too many stats. He should either be fine focusing on HP items or fine on resistance ones

  3. Shift his spell range. Make him get closer to Torment and Decrepify, but increase Decrepify's tether range if needed. Reward players for kiting and picking short trades effectively, punish them for greedily slug it out with a sustained DPS champ

  4. Emphasize the Master Tactician. I strongly recommend focusing his defensive buff while ulting on some in-game factor. Maybe make his self-buff slightly stronger when near an ally with low hp and increases as more allies get low. Now he's a champ who punishes tactical mistakes in not finishing off his weakened allies.

NEW PASSIVE RECOMMENDATION - Carrion Call: Swain's spells cause spectral ravens to pick away at enemy champions for (+/-) 2 seconds. The crows steal X% of all healing, lifesteal and regeneration to afflicted champs. Reduced effectiveness if multiple champs are debuffed.Heal reduction does not stack with Grievous Wounds

This passive change allows for Swain to be less reliant on ult for sustain (you could remove it). It also gives him an identity as the anti-sustain champ. Doing it this way makes Swain less of a snowball champ who thrives when he's already winning and turns him into one who's at his best when he's not. Is his lane a little weak, leaving him a bit behind? It's fine, maybe he's baiting you into his trap. Just like he did to JarvanIV

6 Comments

The Bearded Bard2 votes

I don't see many people buying athene's on swain when ROA is better in damn near every way besides cdr. Tbh, if you don't stupidly use your ult he's not any more mana hungry than most mages. Only needs one mana item and you're good to go.

Smitemuffin1 votes

I often see both. RoA is always first and Athene's is second or third, particularly when a game has sustaining tanks in it

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Seems like a waste of a slot to me. item 3027 item 1001 item 3157 item 3065 item 3116 item 3151

Boots of your choice, ROA first, the rest of the order depends on the match up

Meep Man1 votes
  1. The main reason people are buying Athene's isnt because of his mana problems, its because it is right now one of two items that are AP and provide 20% CDR. The Athene's mana restore on kill also synergizes with his ultimate. He honestly doesn't have many mana problems.

  2. This why people rush Zhonya's on him. He is INCREDIBLY tanky with a Zhonya's.

The rest I have no opinion on since Im not a super avid Swain player. I like the look of the passive idea though.

Smitemuffin1 votes

I always used CDR runes for Swain so I didn't need them, then went RoA and Seraphs. But most of the people I've asked tell me it's for the chuck on mana on takedowns so they don't run out. But I'm also not a huge Swain player (except in URF, it's amazing) because I dislike how spread out his stats are

GSNightfall1 votes

Xer has mana recovery too and so does karth. If anything needs to be changed is nerf the base damage to his E. His W is fine(takes 1s to arm and you see it plus its smaller then Soraka's skills so if you can dodge hers you can dodge his) 8/10 I ever use his W is right after Q and even then anyone can dash/flash/move aside. If you get hit with 3 skills no shit your going to get chunked(every keeps QQing about how much damage he does, when you get hit with 3 straight skills no duh your going to lose a lot of health) as far as mana problems go turn off your ult and don't engage when you don't have it. Swain isn't meant for extended fights hes a brusier, deals w/e damage he can and either runs out, because hes out of mana or he gets killed. He HAS to be in the frontline.

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