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Crit ADCS are legit getting removed out of the game

D357R0Y3R··4 votes·1,176 views

IE costing 3700 gold, while not giving anything on its own zeal items costing 2800 gold LDR costing 2800 gold and losing the %bonus damage against tanks

but wait adcs are also getting -5 armor -4 ad and -2 hp regen with fleet footwork nerf

infinity edge damage got nerfed if you have less than 125 armor, which means now squishy champions aren't forced to build the broken item 3047 anymore and can focus on either offensive boots or mercury for more magic resistance

and then the first thing you see on the boards, are people getting upvoted to heaven for stating that adcs are being buffed [sg-lux-2]

adcs are legit going to be shit until 30 min, and their stats are being nerfed

just when you know that IE is costing so much while not giving crit at all until 20 or 22 min you know that you're going to see jhin/varus building lethality+ last whisper total armor pen, or lucian building essence reaver and trashing cait/trist/xayah/twitch/jinx

and now they will also have 23 armor, and their sustain nerfed

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18 Comments

Who Fed Ru5 votes

adcs are legit going to be shit until 30 min

Like crit adc are SUPPOSED to be in the first place. Welcome to the time where the game was still (more or less) balanced and classes still had their powerspikes.

Why should crit ADCs be allowed to have a huge late game and be good early on too?

D357R0Y3R6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bj6AGcng,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-05T12:01:33.886+0000)

Why should crit ADCs be allowed to have a huge late game and be good early on too?

that's a good question

and since it's no longer the case, why are the boards pretending that adcs are being buffed when games end in 20 min and marksmen are going to be irrelevant for a straight 20 min?

Who Fed Ru3 votes

Cause people complain about everything. They are neglecting the most important fact that item 3086 will be + 100 gold, the Zeal upgrades + 200, and IE + 300. In total the ADCs 2 item power spike will be delayed by 500 gold, which is huge. Maybe they would statistically deal more damage, but the 500 gold cap is already at a later point of the game.

Another point is that games also won't end in 20 minutes when the ADCs power spikes will be delayed. In the end, this is a change where only time will tell how they end up.

D357R0Y3R4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bj6AGcng,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-05T12:15:14.766+0000)

Maybe they would statistically deal more damage, but the 500 gold cap is already at a later point of the game.

they will less damage if you buy less armor which is the point of the changes because meddler did say that right now adcs prevent any squishy in late game to do anything, adcs are like assassins right now which is why everyone buys ninja tabi, even adcs themselves

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bj6AGcng,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-05T12:15:14.766+0000)

Cause people complain about everything.

so we agree in the end

Mordepool3 votes

The free ride had to end sometime

D357R0Y3R5 votes

i'm happy about nerfing crit adcs

but the boards tell you that they're being buffed

like lol...

Mordepool2 votes

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i'm happy about nerfing crit adcs

but the boards tell you that they're being buffed

like lol...

Well the math is pretty clear.
Marksmen 2 item spike right now needs to be gutted, thier 3 item spike is strong

on PBE. Marksmen 2.5 item spike = marksmen 3 item spike. In sheer strength
That only been delayed by 500 gold.

Bear in mind that ADC items are still cheaper than other classes core items

This is one of those situations where riot should be Applying just Nerfs. Not compensation power shifts. Most of the changes seem like a underhanded buff since thier power is still going up and alot of people believe the delay of 500g isn't near enough if they are going to be more powerful.

Honestly I expect another round of small buffs and power shifts.

D357R0Y3R3 votes

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That only been delayed by 500 gold.

and zeal costs more gold, and LDR costs more while getting -10 ad and the bonus damage against tanks removed

Bear in mind that ADC items are still cheaper than other classes core items

i beg your pardon? mages got rylai giving 90 ap for 2600 gold or ROA costing 2700 gold and gives 100 ap or spellbinder now giving 120 ap for 2900 gold

even freaking tanks have cheaper items than adcs now, the only one having a shit itemization are bruisers

This is one of those situations where riot should be Applying just Nerfs. Not compensation power shifts.

this is ONLY NERFS i don't see any compensations the damage when you have more than 125 armor is not even close to be higher, it's +15 damage if you have 200 armor are you kidding me? not forgetting that the math that people did was WITHOUT counting LDR penetration that would have changed everything

the damage of marksmen against tanks aren't getting changed they deal less against squishies and have their core items costing way more AND their base stats are getting shit on

and alot of people believe the delay of 500g isn't near enough if they are going to be more powerful.

believe anything you want, 100 gold nerf on an item is already huge 500 gold on 2 items is asking to remove a class of champions 1000 gold nerf on 4 items is the pinacle of everything

Mordepool1 votes

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i beg your pardon? mages got rylai giving 90 ap for 2600 gold or ROA costing 2700 gold and gives 100 ap or spellbinder now giving 120 ap for 2900 gold

None of those items are core to mages. Some get used in edge cases when certain kits have synergy. But they are not CORE to mages.

Rylais has been Dogshit for a while

Rod of ages. Takes ages to get any value out of

They changed spell binder because the active is garbage and probably will continue to be.

D357R0Y3R4 votes

{quoted}

None of those items are core to mages. Some get used in edge cases when certain kits have synergy. But they are not CORE to mages.

NOTHING is core anymore on mages except lost chapter items

Rylais has been Dogshit for a while

and now it's 105% gold efficient, slot efficient, and costs 2600 gold

Rod of ages. Takes ages to get any value out of

wow, 10 min is a lot now

They changed spell binder because the active is garbage and probably will continue to be.

except no one cares about the active, the item is incredibly gold efficient without the active now

Malix Farwin2 votes

Good

Chalze1 votes

Yasuo

D357R0Y3R4 votes

what is yasuo doing in a marksmen thread

Chalze1 votes

Relate it to the IE changes

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Varus won't go lethality... he'll just be play played like current one item 3124 item 3115 item 3089 item 3135

D357R0Y3R1 votes

well that's true that this build is good

but imagine if last whisper gives total armor penetration, and marksmen are having a very low base armor wouldn't varus like more lethality than ap build

Cocho1 votes

yeah but they're getting compesation like 200 more health, % armor pen on last whisper. that lw thing alone is big

Sahn Uzal1 votes

No, Crit Marksmen are not being 'Removed from the Game'. On the other hand though; No, Crit Marksmen are not being buffed either.

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