Since Scuttle change prevents lvl 2 ganks way better than XP nerf. Can you revert XP nerf now?

BigFBear··14 votes·6,889 views

The reason why the XP nerfs were made was because they wanted to prevent junglers from making early ganks and beeing oppressive in the first minutes of the game.

What happened after the first nerf (4 camps to get lvl 3 instead of 3 camps)? The Junglers now ganked even earlier, right after their buff, with level 2.

So, what did RIOT do? They nerfed Jungle XP again, but that didn't stop junglers to lvl 2 gank the lanes. The only thing it did is that there are really big gaps between Levels in early game now, which makes jungling feel really odd and "not right". Often as jungler you are lvl 4 when top and mid are 6 and you don't catch up until lvl 9-10. That leads to very frustating moments where your toplaner begs for a gank but you just cant do it beceause the enemy Darius is lvl 6 already and would smash your lvl 4 ass with ease.

With the Scuttle change they finally hit the right thing. It actually works to prevent lvl 2 ganks. I can speak from personal experience. The reason why i could lvl 2 gank so good before the change was, that the Scuttle was the perfect follow up after the early gank. I could do red -> lvl 2 gank -> and then the Scuttle was right on my way through mid, filling up my almost empty mana bar. It was just a perfect stepping stone for a transition gank, making this route viable.

Now without Scuttle i fuck my own pathing really hard when i go on lane after buff. I have to go all the way back to Krugs or Raptors and even then i would have mana problems if i dont start with Hunters Talisman which gives me mana but a slower first clear. This change makes the oldschool "standard" clear (Red -> top side Jungle) worth considering again (especially for junglers with mana).

So... good work on that. Even if it is kinda bad for me. But you finally figured out something that helps.

#BUT...

this change makes the whole "my mid/top is 2 lvls higher than me and ungankable for a long time" thing not better. I can understand that you wanted to prevent lvl 2/3 opression from junglers with the XP nerfs. It was an uggly but needed option, like "Monsterhunter" is an ugly option to prevent gold funneling, but you found a smarter way now. So pls give us back a bit jungle XP so we can gank (our mid/top) not with lvl 2/3 but at least with lvl 4/5/6+

Ty

7 Comments

Marlusia2 votes

yes, please give me some more exp in the jungle. The role feels so underwhelming. This explains why you're more likely to get autofilled jungle now-a-days.

Shiroyashayami2 votes

To be honest jng needed a nerf, but exp nerf was bad. 2nd exp nerf was even worse. Even scuttle change didn't help with lvl 2 ganks. I think Riot should find a way of balancing jungle and revert one of exp nerfs. At least a little bit buff jg, but not too much bc jg should hit lvl 6 after mid and top. So that it is not overwhelming.

Pika Fox1 votes

Then youd just be back at square one with level 2 ganks? Literally what would happen.

Mactheplumber1 votes

9 times out of 10 junglers are going bot jungle. exceptions of course. You guys are saying level 2 ganks like it is a guaranteed kill. And like only the enemy jungler can gank YOU. Not vice versa. You know how to not get ganked? Do not play out of position. Watch your jungler. You should be able to gauge when enemy jungle is coming given yours kill time on buff. Then stop tunnel visioning and watch the sides. What about your wards? Oh. riots fault you don't ward.

Beerstein1 votes

As a Jungle main I can't play support with secondary jungle when I feel like playing Support now it's so weak, I always autofill into jungle. Had to change secondary to ADC just to get assigned support...

KirbyCake1 votes

The scuttle change is clearly not intended to stop level 2 ganks. If it was then it would be r%%%%%ed as junglers were ALREADY ganking before doing scuttle for optimizing time.

BigFBear1 votes

Intended or not. It works. Lvl 2 ganking is way worse pathing now.

And before Scuttle there was no Scuttle at 3:15. If you lvl 2 gank now you need to make weird pathing to get one Scuttle at 3:15. If you do a fast clear red/raptors/wolf's/blue/Gromp you come perfectly out at 3:15 for Scuttle.

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