9.2 nerfs/buffs plan by MappleNectar

D357R0Y3R··47 votes·21,756 views

"And we're back! Below are some of our targets that we're targetting for 9.2. Worth noting that on top of this we're working on a few larger projects:

  1. Reducing systemic damage in the game
  2. Slightly lowering jungle influence
  3. High MMR game pacing
  4. Marksmen itemization"

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"High mmr game pacing includes things like retuning baron buff a bit and some turret/inhib defense adjustments"

https://twitter.com/RiotMapleNectar

Ok so let's talk about this list, I feel like Riot is trying to please challenger players and low elo at the same time

item 3916 nerf, you should give mr pen the lethality treatment and call it a day. MR pen should depend on lvls like armor pen item 3068 buff, oh boy. what will it be? since 2010 you never managed to balance this item in any possible area (stats, or the passive damage). How about you give it some utility? Make the burn damage apply a debuff reducing enemies's autoattack damage by 10%. Galio nerf, listed twice LMFAO. Does this mean that you're going to gut him? good. Jax Brand Zyra nerfed for low elo, whatever I don't main them

But if you're going to nerf zyra and brand, where the fuck is alistar nerf? "oh but they're nerfing targon"

are you fucking serious? So you're going to nerf Nautilus TahmKench Braum Leona because of alistar and pyke? what the fuck is happening, you're nerfing RAKAN for high elo players, but you're not nerfing Alistar?

This is a failed plan, Leona does not deserve a nerf because of Alistar this is really fucked up.

DrMundo buff, STOP. you've tried enough times already. Everytime it's the same outcome MUNDO CANNOT BE BUFFED. You can't even balance him between LCS and solo queue, everytime he has 49% or 50% win rate in solo queue he's permabanned in pro. This champion should not be buffed, just like Galio

189 Comments

wolf jade33 votes

Jax is not nerfed for low elo at all.

D357R0Y3R6 votes

take any high elo player http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=s04upset

try to count the amount of jax you cross, compared to Urgot/Irelia

wolf jade11 votes

huzzy games. nb3 (Not for a video) said "i am sorry but tf blade champ pool is so toxic, jax irelia and akali 3 broken champs" "jax can go 0/10 and still 1v5 late game" "jax is broken" huzzy games - jax has been broken for the entier season now"

D357R0Y3R5 votes

Yea, and who else except TF blade plays jax?

legit take the opgg of any competitive player and watch the amount of jax games compared to the others listed

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=xdan+xdan

one jax game

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=s%C3%A2torius

one jax game

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=odoamne

zero jax game

weird isn't it?

As I said , if you see a jax it's just someone who mains him, jax IS NOT fotm

"jax can go 0/10 and still 1v5 late game"

bullshit

wolf jade17 votes

play rate - 4.73% (top)

play rate - 4.54% (ig) jax is in 9% of the games.

are you for real telling me that youre gonna take something like 73M players on 3 profiles? Nice

FFrazien22 votes

I don’t understand why is Renekton getting buffed, he has solid win rates and I wouldn’t say he’s underperforming

y0r1ck7 votes

He doesn't feel like the free top lane win he used to be.

Warlord Rhinark21 votes

The Magic Pen just needs to be removed from Oblivion Orb entirely, and for it to be replaced with Grievous Wounds.

This fixes the issue of Mages ignoring too many of the enemy's resistances too early into the game, and also gives them an early GW item like AD champions have in the form of item 3123 and Tanks have in the form of item 3076

Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votes

1500 gold for GW? Sounds terrible.

SHIN0BU2 votes

Sorry what??? I play asol and often in my games at full build item 3165 item 3116 item 3020 item 3135 item 3089 item 3027 I still can’t even scratch a barely fed Garen and there’s others tankier than him so nerfing magic pen is an uninsightful nerf plus it costs more to build mpen than lethality AND it caps out lower item 3135 item 3165 vs item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3036item 3071 see the difference? As a mage there are SO few armor nullifying options compared to ad champions.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

{quoted}

Sorry what??? I play asol and often in my games at full build item 3165 item 3116 item 3020 item 3135 item 3089 item 3027 I still can’t even scratch a barely fed Garen and there’s others tankier than him so nerfing magic pen is an uninsightful nerf plus it costs more to build mpen than lethality AND it caps out lower item 3135 item 3165 vs item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3036item 3071 see the difference? As a mage there are SO few armor nullifying options compared to ad champions.

  1. The Magic Pen on Sorc Shoes can be buffed to 20 to compensate for the removal of Magic Pen on Oblivion Orb.

  2. If you're trying to kill Tanky champions, build a item 3151, silly. Combine it with item 3116 + item 3135 and you should be shredding Tanks.

  3. Lethality is also a problem, but it wasn't the topic of the post, and as such I left it out.

Removing Magic Pen from Oblivion Orb is not an uninsightful nerf just because you are unwilling to itemize according to the enemy team.

nelogis14 votes

Ready to hit'em with the old-school special?!

DrMundo item 3068

Abibyama II8 votes

Along with Renekton Shyvana

Sirchachat12 votes

Inb4 the proposed changes boil down to: Buffs : More base damage on abilities. Nerfs: Removed some utility from kits, however we will be compensating with damage buffs. Adjustments: "Akali's winrate has been garbage recently so as a result we are buffing shroud!" [slayer-jinx-unamused]

We all know when riot says they are working on reducing damage they actually mean increasing it because of compensation buffs.

Dracocrash12 votes

Neeko is getting buffed?

BestPudgeNA10 votes

Neeko Buffs

LUL

boricCentaur18 votes

One: I hope they buff sol differently then what was originally planned. Two: they keep pushing back the voli buffs. Three: why do they keep buffing mundo no one plays him and no one like playing vs him and every fucking time they buff he is boken.

Lauchmelder9 votes

Voli doesn't need a buff. He needs a VGU

Moody P7 votes

wrong

kingDeDeDarius6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZPLpb5R,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T13:02:20.320+0000)

wrong

Why? Because YOU like him in his current deplorable state? Offer one good piece of evidence for why voli isn't incredibly outdated, or at least some solid reasoning of some kind.

Moody P5 votes

"I want a new champion to metaslave with" isn't a valid reason for vgu

SithesisLord5 votes

"This champion is absolutely unhealthy for the game in his present state, regardless of his success or lack thereof" is a very valid reason.

Volibear needs a VGU. That´s not conjecture. It's fact.

Butterwood4 votes

Only a Sithesis deals in absolutes

SithesisLord2 votes

Lmao, didn´t see that one coming.

Moody P4 votes

Yeah, all these "healthy" new designs that are exactly what you want out of "better" champions that you hate anyway lul, keep doing more of that Riot

Man I can't wait for Kayle

SithesisLord1 votes

Honestly, speaking as a Kayle main, i don´t even care if she turns out broken or super weak. I just her lore to not be shit and her visuals to be badass with sprinkles of Joe Madureira's Darksiders art.

The lore part is asking a lot from the lore team, imo, as i´m still very bitter about the shit show they did with Elise's lore.

As for the recent reworks, yes, those were failures in terms of game health, but you shouldn´t throw all of them into the pit because of a few mistakes.

WW, Sion, Yorick and Poppy were still pretty good, healthy designs. And Warwick was designed by the guy no one should trust with making healthy designs. Galio's problem is that Riot wants to please "greeks and trojans" instead of just sticking with one type of playstyle.

Moody P1 votes

sion and yorick are trash

CT is consistently the best dev on the team and your standards for good are completely arbitrary

SithesisLord4 votes

Sion has consistently been meta for quite some time now.

Yorick is merely overnerfed.

CertainlyT is by far not the best dev, especially when he's allowed to break established design rules.

His WW design the only worth of praise, because it features exactly zero of his rule breaking mechanics.

Lauchmelder3 votes

Volibear is just basic af. That wouldn't even be a problem in and of itself but the main problem is that he either runs at you at mach 5 and mauls you or he gets kited to death. There is nothing inbetween.

Moody P4 votes

Volibear can play for peel perfectly fine and is in fact picked occasionally in high elo as a support exactly for that

you continue to miss the point which is why I'm 100% certain any rework even minorly influenced by you will be a. Colossal failure. it has nothing at all to do with his play pattern

Lauchmelder4 votes

The point is that he's not meant for support! He's played as support because of exactly the problems I mentioned. His kit is trash unless he gets ahead, he is extremely feast or famine. No amount of buffs will fix that.

And the irony of you talking like we don't know jack shit about balance is hilarious.

Moody P4 votes

he's played top jungle and support

his kit is trash

wrong again. again, you miss the point, so why do you even argue the subject?

Lauchmelder2 votes

Then fucking tell me the point already and stop beating around the bloody bush! Enlighten me with your bullshit.

Edit: Looks like you have no idea about "the point" and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Moody P1 votes

thought i replied to this, but i'll gladly tell you that i've debated this more than enough times and franky im a little sick of repeating myself to the same 3 people who don't get the hint

voli kit is fine and he's held back almost entirely by numbers. in a vacuum his kit is objectively quite good and he's got a lot going for him. his numbers are remnants from a slower paced game where fighters did not typically buy nearly as much AD as they do now; but now they do, so his own damage - combined with the worsened tank items - leaves him in a tight situation

in terms of a rework the main justification has nothing to do with "muh counterplay" because he already has plenty to it, just because you can't avoid his damage doesn't change this. his justification for reworking comes down to the fact that despite what he can do there's nothing that makes him truly standout; there's not many situations where you can pocket-pick volibear as a good idea. he's not an answer to anything another bruiser or tank isn't.

you and that other dude neglect this every single time you try to argue the topic with me, and you're wrong every time; he deserves a rework so you can point at something new-voli does and say that it's HIS thing and his alone

Lauchmelder2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZPLpb5R,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T19:45:05.159+0000)

in terms of a rework the main justification has nothing to do with "muh counterplay" because he already has plenty to it, just because you can't avoid his damage doesn't change this. his justification for reworking comes down to the fact that despite what he can do there's nothing that makes him truly standout; there's not many situations where you can pocket-pick volibear as a good idea. he's not an answer to anything another bruiser or tank isn't.

/thread Nothing else in your post matters.

kingDeDeDarius5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZPLpb5R,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T16:15:16.426+0000)

The point is that he's not meant for support! He's played as support because of exactly the problems I mentioned. His kit is trash unless he gets ahead, he is extremely feast or famine. No amount of buffs will fix that.

And the irony of you talking like we don't know jack shit about balance is hilarious.

I agree Shuriman...Moody P isn't Moody...he's just a pretentious, arrogant snob who thinks he knows better than anyone. I've read his posts and comments for months now, and at first they were ok and reasonable, until I realized that he really has nothing to contribute but arrogance.

Lauchmelder3 votes

Yea, best to leave him alone. Every once in a while you'll see one good post followed by weeks or months of absolute BS. At this point he's close to getting blacklisted by me. There's having a civil discussion where you can talk some sense into someone else (or someone into me) and then there's talking with a wall.

kingDeDeDarius4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZPLpb5R,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-08T15:50:39.191+0000)

Yeah, all these "healthy" new designs that are exactly what you want out of "better" champions that you hate anyway lul, keep doing more of that Riot

Man I can't wait for Kayle

I'm glad you're not a champ designer. It would be awful.

Moody P1 votes

i'm glad you'll vocally hate every rework that riot gives you and then ask for more reworks. it's hilarious

kingDeDeDarius3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZPLpb5R,comment-id=000100000000000100000000000100020000,timestamp=2019-01-08T18:54:10.741+0000)

i'm glad you'll vocally hate every rework that riot gives you and then ask for more reworks. it's hilarious

Do I hate them all? Because I happen to love urgot, ww, and nunu reworks. I like akali, she just wasn't balanced. I like'd darius's save a couple reservations. The list goes on but I've made my point. What I find hilarious is that you assumed I hate every rework. You're a pretentious snob and offer nothing good to these boards.

Lil Homie busta7 votes

Reducing systematic damage in the game

Scorch -5 damage

Velzard of Koz6 votes

Galio is so broken he is listed twice.

AS I LAY FEEDING5 votes

The whole list is bad btw. Its just stupid to include conq champs when its obvious that the rune should get removed. J4 is the only legit champ that needs buffs. Mundo and voli needs a rework.

King Jarvan4 votes

So glad JarvanIV getting some much needed love :)

Salvor Hardın18 votes

I hope the buff isn't damage, I don't like how Jarvan went from being a fighter to a kind of assassin who has as objective to oneshoot a carry with the R.

King Jarvan3 votes

Yup tank j4 was the shit, so let us hope this dmg bullshit is yeeted.

y0r1ck7 votes

Damage J4 has been strong since at least season 3.

Ahris1 votes

No Ahri buff like always

Chembaron Yamada11 votes

It's Ahris. Ahri could have a 100% winrate in every elo and they would still claim that she is useless and needs buffs.

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