You know, if im being honest, I think Camille is overloaded. And i hate it

Skorch··3 votes·1,018 views

I hate it. I dont think Yasuo/Vayne/Riven kits are Overloaded I dont think Azir's kit was Overloaded The only problem with Ekkos Kit was Tank Abuse. Lee Sins Kit i think CAN be balanced as long as his fucking Q,Q,R doesnt kill you with nothing but a cleaver. THAT was Bullshit. But thats a numbers problem.

I also dont think "This kit has been problematic in the past" Is a valid rework reason. Its just a lazy cop-out reason.

But Camille is an issue.

Now to be clear i have played Camille like twice, and since shes banned ALWAYS i never see her, so i may get some kit things wrong. But everytime i do see her, Its bullshit. While some champions have an ability thats an auto attack reset that deals bonus % damage or something. Camille has 2 Auto resets AND one does TRUE damage.

Her Passive makes trading with low damage top laners really easy, since if you get the camille combo right you can get in and out VERY fast not NEAR enough time to pop her damn ult.

Her W, while needing time to aim, usually doesnt matter and IF she hits it she gets an easy escape or engage, and heal.

If im not mistaken her E is the longest range basic ability dash in the game, thats actually a stun. And its actually 2 dashes. Which only goes farther if shes heading toward a champion.

And on top of that, Camille is free to build REALLY tanky because of the amount of damage she does. Making trading even HARDER.

AND HER ULT, while a little upsetting, Is actually not that bad. Its probably the most balanced part of her Kit. I hear a lot of complaints about it being a better Jarvan ult. But i think if you tweak slightly the damage and knockup time of Jarvans Ult they could be pretty even. (And maybe make Jarvans circle a LITTLE bit bigger too.) I mean honestly Jarvans Ult forces a flash, and while you can't flash out of Camilles ult. You at least still have flash.

I hate complaining, I usually complain about complainers. But its SO damn ridiculous.

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WalkingInACircle1 votes

Meh, whatever bells and whistles they slap on her, it's just another click-on-you champion.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Hmm...

Keep in mind her Q lasts for a very short amount of time, compared to other auto attack resets. I think she gets 1.5 seconds to use it - avoid her for that long, and you'll be good. They also nerfed it's numbers, so all you really gotta worry about is the second Q. This is much easier in lane, and gets harder as she gets more CDR.

E: That's actually not true. Renekton's 2 dashes have far more range. Kha's Evolved Leap has the same range if it's shot from max range and not towards a champion. Also, it's mobility is very bad for juking things because she only dashes once her hook hits a wall - she doesn't dash instantly, so until it hits the wall, she's just walking and is an easy target.

R: Jarvan's ult doesn't CC his target at all. They also nerfed it's base damage for AoE. The worst part of Camille's ult is how snowbally it is. If she can kill you in the duration of her ult, and you won't kill her before she kills you, if she ever gets into ult range, it's over. Also, it's a guaranteed gank.

Camille isn't banned often anymore, so... might wanna play her a bit more before coming to conclusions? I can tell you that the Q nerfs really hit her upfront burst, although the True damage is still something to watch out for.

Skorch1 votes

If she isnt banned anymore than she isnt being picked, I HAVE been playing less within the last month or so, but i still have been playing and have seen her maybe twice. Sadly i don't own her or i would have been playing her.

Its just every time i see her she jumps on me with 3k health and explodes me instantly. I see so little downsides in her kit. E in Q, Titanic Active, True Q, W away. And i lost half my health. Barely popped her passive, and if i woulda chased she wouldve healed from W

Or if you are an ADC or Mage, your just dead by the time your team can hit her.

She just feels wrong and i have never said that about ANY champ.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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If she isnt banned anymore than she isnt being picked, I HAVE been playing less within the last month or so, but i still have been playing and have seen her maybe twice. Sadly i don't own her or i would have been playing her.

Its just every time i see her she jumps on me with 3k health and explodes me instantly. I see so little downsides in her kit. E in Q, Titanic Active, True Q, W away. And i lost half my health. Barely popped her passive, and if i woulda chased she wouldve healed from W

Or if you are an ADC or Mage, your just dead by the time your team can hit her.

She just feels wrong and i have never said that about ANY champ.

You might want to chase her when she uses her W, using your own gapcloser to both avoid the W and then fuck her afterward. Yes, you're gonna start off on the losing side of the trade, but that's what you get for getting hit by her E. There is plenty of counterplay for dodging her E.

That's because Camille's DPS is quite low, compared to most. If you're a decent duelist, save your damage after her shield goes down, then use it. Don't try to break through the shield - it's generally not worth it.

Fact is, 50% of your health from a full combo is... quite minimal, compared to all the other bruisers out there.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

No shit. She's a bruiser with actual counterplay; of course her kit is going to be overloaded.

Oleandervine1 votes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You must be fucking joking to think that Riven, Azir, Lee Sin, Yasuo, and Ekko don't have overloaded kits. Every one of them is extremely versatile, to the point where they have options for any situation, and until they were all nerfed, they had very little in the line of weaknesses.

Skorch1 votes

Stength and a kit being overloaded are different, Riven, Lee Sin, and Yasuo just got nerfed cause they are older champs and Riot thinks their kits are fine, as while they do have some really high patches, they have just as many really lows.

Azir and Ekko DID get kit changes but that is because they had highs and higher. So it was evident on release that their kit was an issue. Personally i dont find a shield on Azirs collision dash nor his w tower shred was that strong but it may just be me.

I personally prefer number changes to kit changes.

Lauchmelder1 votes

I agree with most of this except:

Azir was overloaded. The knockup was too much for how much damage he did (and still does) on 6 items. And that's from an Azir player (don't really want to say main, he's my pocket pick, but picking him is putting yourself behind by default until you got 4-6 items)

Skorch1 votes

I guess, i mean if i am remembering correctly Azir got changed REALLY quickly and we didnt see much of LCS with him. But with how he was doing AFTER those changes he wouldve been really strong. I really liked his W tower shred, and maybe if they brought those back Azir would have a decent winrate again.

Then again, it would become TOO high most likely, and i highly doubt people wouldnt take Courage on him as that shield would be MASSIVE.

I dont know i guess. I just dont remember his W and Shield being my issue with Azir, it was his godamn zoning. Then again that was REALLY long ago.

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