I hope you're nerfing Ezreal if you're planning to buff Manamune

D357R0Y3R·Apr 23, 2019·8 votes·7,734 views

It's been a long time that the item was balanced around Ezreal

it's time to balance ezreal around manamune now

23 Comments

Chembaron YamadaApr 23, 20193 votes

It's been a long time that the item was balanced around manamune

You mean that the item was balanced around Ezreal? Anyway, I don't know why they are actually buffing manamune in the first place. It is an item which is solely used on Ezreal and I don't think they will buff it enough for other champions to consider picking it up.

D357R0Y3RApr 23, 20191 votes

Yes my bad it was a mistake

SaezioApr 23, 20192 votes

Simply remove/rework Manamune.

An item that is used by 1 champion 99% of the times should not exist in the game.

Chembaron YamadaApr 23, 20191 votes

I see where you are coming from, but I picked Ezreal up after his rework and have to say that I like the idea behind manamune. Would be kinda sad to see it entirely removed.

SaezioApr 23, 20194 votes

You see, when manamune was created more than just 1 champion used it. Jayce,Varus, old urgot.

I don't think having an item that is suited for only 1 champion that can abuse it nonetheless is healthy for game design.

Either make manamune an attractive choice for an array of champions, or just straight up remove it and rebalance ezreal around not having the item.

Ez has never been weak by any stretch of the imagination, I am guessing this is mainly because of his enormous fan base. So I wouldn't worry about him not being viable. Actually can't think of a single split/worlds that ez wasn't picked at least a couple times.

EphixusApr 23, 20191 votes

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You see, when manamune was created more than just 1 champion used it. Jayce,Varus, old urgot.

I don't think having an item that is suited for only 1 champion that can abuse it nonetheless is healthy for game design.

Either make manamune an attractive choice for an array of champions, or just straight up remove it and rebalance ezreal around not having the item.

Ez has never been weak by any stretch of the imagination, I am guessing this is mainly because of his enormous fan base. So I wouldn't worry about him not being viable. Actually can't think of a single split/worlds that ez wasn't picked at least a couple times.

So what items you would give for skill shot adc based?

Guinsoo? Infinity Edge?

Nothing left to build for him.

SaezioApr 23, 20191 votes

Trinity, BT, LW, Lethality, GA.

Basically everything ezreal used to build seasons 1-2-3+ all the lethality items.

Ez can build anything really. From AP to AD to Gauntlet, does he need an item created entirely around him? (and if we are doing that, we might as well create items specifically for any unique champions) The entire AP bruiser class has no items but we have 1 item that is useful (and frankly kinda busted) on only 1 items.

Also, Ezreal should need to auto attack in fights and not simply spam abilities, what's the point of the att speed passive then? Just a farming/early game crutch?

EphixusApr 23, 20191 votes

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Trinity, BT, LW, Lethality, GA.

Basically everything ezreal used to build seasons 1-2-3+ all the lethality items.

Ez can build anything really. From AP to AD to Gauntlet, does he need an item created entirely around him? (and if we are doing that, we might as well create items specifically for any unique champions) The entire AP bruiser class has no items but we have 1 item that is useful (and frankly kinda busted) on only 1 items.

Also, Ezreal should need to auto attack in fights and not simply spam abilities, what's the point of the att speed passive then? Just a farming/early game crutch?

So go attack speed ezreal build and we will see your score at the end.

It's not season 1,2,3 and as far as I remember manamune existed back in season 3 or even 2.

SaezioApr 23, 20191 votes

manamune yes. Muramana no.

And ez didn't buy it.The mana is not so much an issue for me, the bonus ad either. It's the toxic muramana passive damage.

I didn't say he should build att speed. Just that he shouldn't be balanced around "doing an adc's amount of damage just with Qs". You will also see how many auto's players like Pray and Deft weave in the rotation.

So, you think it's ok to have an item that is specifically designed for one champion only? And in that case, shouldn't every champion get an item of sorts then?

EphixusApr 23, 20191 votes

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manamune yes. Muramana no.

And ez didn't buy it.The mana is not so much an issue for me, the bonus ad either. It's the toxic muramana passive damage.

I didn't say he should build att speed. Just that he shouldn't be balanced around "doing an adc's amount of damage just with Qs". You will also see how many auto's players like Pray and Deft weave in the rotation.

So, you think it's ok to have an item that is specifically designed for one champion only? And in that case, shouldn't every champion get an item of sorts then?

Got a better idea then lets give him a special item like Viktor can purchase.

SaezioApr 23, 20191 votes

That's viktor's passive. Ezreal has a passive. If they removed the passive and made it "Can buy manamune" it would be fair.

EphixusApr 23, 20191 votes

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That's viktor's passive. Ezreal has a passive. If they removed the passive and made it "Can buy manamune" it would be fair.

Why exactly "Manamune"?

Remove Manamune and give something new to ezreal, with different type of passive, stats or w/e.

SaezioApr 23, 20191 votes

Sure. I don't disagree. I just don't see how keeping an item that is used by 1 champion is a thing. They can't buff the item to make it attractive to others (althought apparently they are buffing it next patch) because it will break the champion, so, isn't it logic to change the item?

What other item is being picked by 1 champion 99% of the time? Also, I find it ridiculous to have an AD+Mana item when no AD ever buys mana except collaterally.

On a side note, IBG needs to be melee only. It's useless for it's intended audience, and it was nerfed because ez abused it. xD

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 23, 20191 votes

I don't think having an item that is suited for only 1 champion that can abuse it nonetheless is healthy for game design.

are you fucking kidding me now? even if noone else uses the item he's "abusing" it? can y'all just put this petty ez hate aside? or is it gonna keep going until he just isn't able to access the shop?

SaezioApr 23, 20194 votes

You are saying it is ok to have an item that exists specifically for one champion then. That is your opinion. Mine is different.

Yes, he is abusing it, because the item is not nearly as effective on ANY OTHER CHAMPION.

So not having 1 item specifically designed for him means he now "isn't able to access the shop". Ok. Love the logic.

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 23, 20191 votes

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You are saying it is ok to have an item that exists specifically for one champion then. That is your opinion. Mine is different.

Yes, he is abusing it, because the item is not nearly as effective on ANY OTHER CHAMPION.

So not having 1 item specifically designed for him means he now "isn't able to access the shop". Ok. Love the logic.

yeah cherrypick words i said to twist what i really said.

Every single time ezreal synergises with an item he's abusing it according to these boards. Even the item that's considered so bad it's only used on him is "abuse".

I specifically said "is this gonna keep going until he can't use the shop?", is that deadass gonna be what it takes for him to not be abusing items?

How is he abusing anything? it's literally an item intended for heavy mana ad champions, LIKE EZREAL. The item synergises with his kit to the extent he actually relies on it. Just because others like jayce can get by without it but not him just shows how weak the item it is despite being so important for him.

if logic means ignoring half the other person says to attack them instead of the argument then choke on your logic.

SaezioApr 23, 20193 votes

I attacked you? Sorry, I didn't mean to. I am only trying to understand how you can say that it is ok for one item to exist to serve specifically one champion, this has never been the case for any other item in the game.

You seem to not like the word "abuse" but what word can I use when every other champion can get a maximum X value from the item while ezreal gets 2X or even 3X value from the item?

Sure it is an item for AD casters, but the item also synergizes with auto attacks, this seems off to me, if there was an array of marksment that used similar kits to ezreal's I could see the reason for the item's existence, but strangely, ez is the only champion that gets value from all 3 of Mana, Spells, Autoattacks.

So, what should be done (according to me personally)? The item should either A) change and make it attractive for more champions (if ezreal ends up being underpowered, buff him afterwards) B) remove/replace it and adjust ezreal accordingly.

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 23, 20191 votes

You seem to not like the word "abuse" but what word can I use when every other champion can get a maximum X value from the item while ezreal gets 2X or even 3X value from the item?

No i don't like the word, it makes no sense to me. the word when in the context of object usage refers to the misuse or usage to achieve cruel/bad things. Not using an item on a champion that synergises perfectly with it, like it was intended.

You could maybe just put it as it is and say he uses a certain item? Any item ezreal uses is abuse according to the boards.

manamune wasn't changed to be weak on others just so ezreal could use it better, the others just found better builds. Jayce hasn't been building it for ages as he can just oneshot from a screen away with lethality builds and Varus has been reduced to the second coming of koggers as LCS didn't like Legolas builds. Maybe if other ad champs relied as heavily on mana (to the point they're basically a mage) to simply function they'd actually use it. the item needing changes isn't ezreal's fault.

Abibyama IIApr 23, 20192 votes

The word "abuse" has lost all it's meaning, you pretty much use it when you lose to something

D357R0Y3RApr 23, 20191 votes

hahaha, that's so true

Abibyama IIApr 23, 20191 votes

they're going to rework it, they have to

FOR JUSTICEApr 23, 20191 votes

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Simply remove/rework Manamune.

An item that is used by 1 champion 99% of the times should not exist in the game.

Viktor Kalista

100% of the time

(Obv satire)

boricCentaur1Apr 23, 20191 votes

Wait isn't a manamune buff just a ez buff like who else takes this item or wants too like there is no buffs they do can without breaking the item to make champions build it.