And People Say Elo Hell Doesnt Exist

VvVVvV·Apr 30, 2018·1 votes·919 views

Must never had to play with a KALISTA jungler before. The one champ in the game that cant even ult when alone.

37 min game she did 8k damage.

Luckily we overcame this 4v6 game.

11 Comments

saltranApr 30, 20184 votes

Elo hell doesn't exist

GabresolApr 30, 20181 votes

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Elo hell doesn't exist

I can claim "Every catholic priest is a %%%%%%%%%" and not give you an explination, evidence or anything to it, making creating a comment as useless as yours.

Giving a jungle Kalista as prove for Elo-Hell is also nothing confincing, but it at least gives some sort of material to work with

saltranApr 30, 20182 votes

I explain: Elo Hell is the excuse that ppl use to justify themselfs for not being able to climb out of low elo instead of admiting that they are just not good enough.

And there's nothing wrong or shameful about being low elo, majority of the playerbase is below plat, the problem is when the guy that is hardstuck silver thinks that he belongs higher and blames the "elo hell" for that.

DW DianaApr 30, 20182 votes

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I explain: Elo Hell is the excuse that ppl use to justify themselfs for not being able to climb out of low elo instead of admiting that they are just not good enough.

And there's nothing wrong or shameful about being low elo, majority of the playerbase is below plat, the problem is when the guy that is hardstuck silver thinks that he belongs higher and blames the "elo hell" for that.

Not true. Some people can't climb out of low elo because they can't solo-carry their teams. Theres a difference.

saltranApr 30, 20181 votes

If they can't climb they belong to bronze/silver/gold or whatever rank you are talking about.

VvVVvVApr 30, 20181 votes

As you see in my post...we won the game.,.....but it had absolutely nothing to do with the kalista jungle who had no ganking potential other than whoever she was bind to and finished a 37 minute game with 8k damage, so it was like playing a 4v6..we was at a disadvantage especially with the other team having a real jungle (Warwick) who was out jungling her in every way.

now as for the off topic part you are trying to take it to................ clearly do not see the difference between a person who plays carry champs and someone who doesnt.

For example, when i mid...i usually play Ziggs or Zyra...........do you know how many times I have been extremely fed on these champs...just to lose the game because even tho i may be like 13-4-9......i look at other lanes and see 1-9 or 0 - 10, and no matter what I eventually become useless?????

BUT......if you take a carry champ like Yasuo or Zed mid and you go that same 13-4-9 there is a very big difference between those to being fed to high heaven than a Ziggs or Zyra.

GabresolApr 30, 20181 votes

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Not true. Some people can't climb out of low elo because they can't solo-carry their teams. Theres a difference.

While there is an undenying factor of luck involved with the teammates you get and the, because of the sheer amount of people in low elo a critical skill difference in laners may occure, the chances of the enemy team having 4 aweful players is the same as yours.

If it's not your mechanical skill that is lacking then there must be something else you are doing wrong to get o the 50% winrate needed ofr climbing. Maybe you lack the map awareness to avoide ganks. Maybe you do not give enough insight about your own lane Maybe you forget that to win you need to take objectives (shout out to Yi mains who go 16/4 while dealing 0 damage to turrets and take no drakes) Maybe you blind pick Vayne and get completly counter picked

DW DianaApr 30, 20181 votes

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While there is an undenying factor of luck involved with the teammates you get and the, because of the sheer amount of people in low elo a critical skill difference in laners may occure, the chances of the enemy team having 4 aweful players is the same as yours.

It's not nessessarily about you entire team being bad/unskilled/feeding. This seems to be a common misconception about low elo. The problem with low elo is it really only takes one or two people feeding while 2 or 3 opponents are getting fed and that can be it.

E.G. your adc and support are feeding and getting ganked. Mid and top are even. Their jungle is fed through bot and is someone like rengar. They now have a fed support (say alister) who is tankier than your toplaner and can peel endlessly for their adc, (say Vayne) who can stred your top laner and jungle, while your adc does next to no damage. Their mid/top laners can also get fed from your adc/support, and can easily pick up kills in teamfights where the fed teammates are essentially leashing them. Findally you have that wonderful fed jungler (say Rengar) you can turn up at a moments notice and one shot your midlaner or adc (probably the former seeing as the latter does little to no damage at this point) to ensure there is little to no carry potential remaining in your team.

No we all know getting behind isnt the end of the game, throws happen and scaling is a thing. But the problem in low elo is that once you've reached this point it's very hard to come back from it, and EVERY game is like this, with one side or the other getting a couple of kills and snowballing. At that point its about trying to make it be your team taht snowballs, but unless you can solo carry once ahead, you have to rely other the person who does snowball being good enough to use it to win. Thus it comes down to you being about to solo carry, as in low elo there is only ever one constant: you cannot rely on your teammates to make the right choices.

If it's not your mechanical skill that is lacking then there must be something else you are doing wrong to get o the 50% winrate needed ofr climbing. Maybe you lack the map awareness to avoide ganks. Maybe you do not give enough insight about your own lane Maybe you forget that to win you need to take objectives (shout out to Yi mains who go 16/4 while dealing 0 damage to turrets and take no drakes) Maybe you blind pick Vayne and get completly counter picked

Show me a midlaner who doesn't ping furiously when their laner roams bot, gets ignored because of that last minion the adc must cs, or the last hit on the tower that they absolutely MUST make, and their 20 cs down akali comes back with a double kill. I know this happens in higher elo too, but in silver/gold its every game, almost every 5 minutes. And then you get the joy of the enemy bot lane roaming to mid with zero pings or roam from bot and its a 4v1 in midlane with your tower a prize after an easy towerdive.

For me it's never been about warding, winning lane, not roaming enough (I play Malz, litterally these are the 3 things I can do early to get ahead/no die), it's just sometimes no matter how you try, the game is not decided by how YOU play, but how your ADC/Jugnle plays. To the point I'm actually practicing my Junglers atm to have the impact needed to solo carry again.

DW DianaApr 30, 20181 votes

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It's not nessessarily about you entire team being bad/unskilled/feeding. This seems to be a common misconception about low elo. The problem with low elo is it really only takes one or two people feeding while 2 or 3 opponents are getting fed and that can be it.

E.G. your adc and support are feeding and getting ganked. Mid and top are even. Their jungle is fed through bot and is someone like rengar. They now have a fed support (say alister) who is tankier than your toplaner and can peel endlessly for their adc, (say Vayne) who can stred your top laner and jungle, while your adc does next to no damage. Their mid/top laners can also get fed from your adc/support, and can easily pick up kills in teamfights where the fed teammates are essentially leashing them. Findally you have that wonderful fed jungler (say Rengar) you can turn up at a moments notice and one shot your midlaner or adc (probably the former seeing as the latter does little to no damage at this point) to ensure there is little to no carry potential remaining in your team.

No we all know getting behind isnt the end of the game, throws happen and scaling is a thing. But the problem in low elo is that once you've reached this point it's very hard to come back from it, and EVERY game is like this, with one side or the other getting a couple of kills and snowballing. At that point its about trying to make it be your team taht snowballs, but unless you can solo carry once ahead, you have to rely other the person who does snowball being good enough to use it to win. Thus it comes down to you being about to solo carry, as in low elo there is only ever one constant: you cannot rely on your teammates to make the right choices.

Show me a midlaner who doesn't ping furiously when their laner roams bot, gets ignored because of that last minion the adc must cs, or the last hit on the tower that they absolutely MUST make, and their 20 cs down akali comes back with a double kill. I know this happens in higher elo too, but in silver/gold its every game, almost every 5 minutes. And then you get the joy of the enemy bot lane roaming to mid with zero pings or roam from bot and its a 4v1 in midlane with your tower a prize after an easy towerdive.

For me it's never been about warding, winning lane, not roaming enough (I play Malz, litterally these are the 3 things I can do early to get ahead/no die), it's just sometimes no matter how you try, the game is not decided by how YOU play, but how your ADC/Jugnle plays. To the point I'm actually practicing my Junglers atm to have the impact needed to solo carry again.

It's simply is a fact elo hell exists, but only for those with a good macro. In clash my team and I wrecked our opponents, not because we were playing our mains (our ADC was a jungle main, our jungle was a top main, and I didn't touch Malz the entire time (he was perma banned because of my 60% winrate), but because our macro was solid. In Silver elo, macro is a thing that the pro's do, that is like magic.

GabresolApr 30, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I explain: Elo Hell is the excuse that ppl use to justify themselfs for not being able to climb out of low elo instead of admiting that they are just not good enough.

And there's nothing wrong or shameful about being low elo, majority of the playerbase is below plat, the problem is when the guy that is hardstuck silver thinks that he belongs higher and blames the "elo hell" for that.

there we go.

giantZorgApr 30, 20182 votes

I think I actually experienced this once, probably as a duo with top who goes support-ish. As for the elo hell: Given that you don't go jgl yourself (or duo with a jungler where you can influence the pick), you have the same chance of getting the Kalista in your or the enemy team. This means also there is no elo hell going on. The problem here (actually proven) is that humans are bad which small probabilities and the large sample size they need to feel "fair"/"balanced"/"right", whatever you want to call it.