Elise's Human form Q (Neurotoxin) is finally a poison!

CatSith··1 votes·1,168 views
8/6 PBE Update

Elise Neurotoxin (Q) [ EFFECT Change - Here's the updated tooltip: "Posions an enemy for 3 seconds dealing 20/30/40/50/60(+.15 AP) magic damage each second. Neurotoxin lasts 6 second when applied to monsters.] Cooldown lowered to 1 second from 6

Cant wait to see the full changes :D.

8 Comments

Trebbi2 votes

Singed top, Cassiopia mid, Elise Jungle, and Teemo and Twitch bot.

Raxistaicho1 votes

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Singed top, Cassiopia mid, Elise Jungle, and Teemo and Twitch bot.

Most people don't realize that Twitch's passive is actually a poison.

Abyssphere2 votes

Damage changed to 60/90/120/150/180 (+ 45% AP) over 3 seconds, cooldown reduced from 6 seconds to 1 second.

Ability is gutted. DOT destroys her burst pattern and lack of % HP damage means it's no longer a tank-melter. All this does is encourage her to build Liandry's, full tank and spend entire team fights in human form.

I know she needed nerfs but they should have been regular number nerfs. This change makes Neurotoxin trash at everything it's currently used for, the ONLY positive thing is being a bit more thematic and having stronger synergy with Liandry's. And the AP ratio is horrendous, too. God forbid AP Elise be viable - tank Elise is obviously way healthier and more fun to play.

CatSith3 votes

They needed to change her kit and changing Neurotoxin is a better way to help adjust her damage. Having one Hp % spell is good enough, if anything they should buff the Venmous bite scaling to compensate. I like these changes and its a good way to make her a healthier champion without nerfing her strong utility ( stun.)

The damage scaling for the new neurotoxin is pretty low though so well see what happens later.

Abyssphere1 votes

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They needed to change her kit and changing Neurotoxin is a better way to help adjust her damage. Having one Hp % spell is good enough, if anything hey should buff the Venmous bite scaling to compensate. I like these changes and its a good way to make her a healthier champion without nerfing her strong utility ( stun.)

Venomous Bite can't be used to poke tanks down, though.

Thematically I love this but her kit has no synergy with DOT given that her assassination pattern is quick and reliant on an execute - an execute that will do less damage if used quickly because Neurotoxin will only have applied one of its three ticks. And it goes completely against her supposed play pattern anyway - she should be encouraged to go into her melee form to take risks for reward. This change is encouraging her to spend entire team fights in human form, constantly re-applying her Q to everyone she can reach.

CatSith1 votes

Venomous bite isnt for poking its for executing. What i meant was since they removed the hp% from neurotoxin, they should buff the scaling for her Venomous bite to compensate because neurotoxin's damage is drastically reduced.

I think the changes is a good synergy for her as she can Q W E R Q and Q W R Q. The CD is said to be 1 second, having such a low damage but spam-able is a plus. Only problem is the range and mana cost.

Abyssphere1 votes

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Venomous bite isnt for poking its for executing. What i meant was since they removed the hp% from neurotoxin, they should buff the scaling for her Venomous bite to compensate because neurotoxin's damage is drastically reduced.

I think the changes is a good synergy for her as she can Q W E R Q and Q W R Q. The CD is said to be 1 second, having such a low damage but spam-able is a plus. Only problem is the range and mana cost.

I know Venomous Bite isn't for poking, that's what I meant - I'd rather have % HP on a poking skill than an execute, frankly.

jjookkeerr1 votes

if the poison dont stack this will be HUGE NERF

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