Everyone knows it isn't fun playing against yasuo because of his kit and when hes strong there isn't much anyone can do. You've done this before with champions who need work on their kit before any changes are done to them.
Popularity shouldn't equate to buffing a champion you know that has such a glaring problem.
Skorch12 votesBecause you can do that on Yorick/Urgot/etc. But you CANT do that on a champion with a 16% pickrate while also being a 45% winrate. While also having one of the most dedicated playerbases.
People act like any buff will ascend him into broken unkillable state. And any nerf isnt strong enough. When in actuality Yasuo's winrate is so volitile that the smallest indirect change can just GUT the champion.
Believe it or not Yasuo CAN be in a position where he is SOMEWHAT BALANCED. Frusterating? Sure, ill give that to you. But he can be in a good spot.
The most infuriating thing to see is people BLATANTLY LIE that Yasuo is "still strong" because they just cant vision a time of ever beating a Yasuo when he isnt in an awful state.
CatSith7 votesLike i said, Popularity shouldn't equate to buffing a champion you know that has such a glaring problem.
SORS Bot5 votesPopularity ALONE shouldn't equate buffing, but if a champ is played alot by the player base and still has a subpar winrate then you know he's not in a good position.
SEKAI3 votes[{quoted}](name=SORS Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AhGOPIKe,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-09T08:09:30.266+0000)
Popularity ALONE shouldn't equate buffing, but if a champ is played alot by the player base and still has a subpar winrate then you know he's not in a good position.
No, in fact it depends on the champ. If a champ is supposed to be hard or intricate of sort, and played a lot by the player base, their win rate is supposed to be subpar. It's basic statistic 101. Because if a hard champ is balanced at the balanced benchmark and that they're enjoying high popularity, a lot of bad players will drag the stat down; because again, the champ is supposed to be harder to get around, and most people simply aren't good enough. So if you balance a champ like that to be about 50% on average, effectively meaning even bad players are doing reasonably okay on the champ they're not supposed to be good at, this champ effectively becomes overbearing or even overpowered, or in other words, "overtuned", when in the hands of experienced players who knows what's up.
This has historically been Riot's balance blind spot for a great deal amount of time, and I can't believe there are people still haven't figured it out yet.
Flexible champs with high popularity are supposed to have a subpar win rate, Riot and some of us in the community really needs to get this into their head for once.
DeadNeko1 votesYou definitely right! But if a low winrate was because of unskilled players the people who've mastered the champion, i.e the high elo mains of him would still be doing well. So lets look at some of the high tier yasuo mains! Moe less than 40% winrate. Mikasage 38%. Forever Fly486 43%. Arkadata and lieder both sitting at around 40% as well. This isn't to say everyone yasuo main rn is failing, but to show that a vast majority of some of the best yasuo players in both EUW and NA are struggling when they historically have done well.
KVbqbFsC8e4 votesYou answered your own question.
Schàdenfreude1 votesHow so?
KVbqbFsC8e8 votesPopularity shouldn't equate to buffing a champion you know that has such a glaring problem.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votesEveryone knows it isn't fun playing against yasuo because of his kit and when hes strong there isn't much anyone can do.
Speak for yourself.
they barely buffed him... just l2p
Stars Shaper4 votesMyabe stop ult at his windwall as MF?
Spank the Fox3 votesComing up to 3 years and people still can’t play against his Windwall.
I mean, I guess people still stand in Akali’ shroud 8 years later so I shouldn’t be surprised
Disulfiram5 votesIt usuallly is the other way around; Yasuo will just save his wall precisely for things like MF's ult. He has no need to ever waste it by using it predictively: when used reactively, it will always block any incoming projectile.
Stars Shaper3 votesThat is called outplay. Yasuo wall has a high CD and if you don't bait it before Ulting as MF or whoever gets his main tool destroyed by it then it's right that you are at loss.
NCBuckets1 voteslol people downvoting u cuz they cant fathom being better than someone
Stars Shaper2 votesThey can't pull the card "you're a Yasuo main" so that's all they can do :3
AR URF3 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AhGOPIKe,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-09T12:25:51.907+0000)
Myabe stop ult at his windwall as MF?
The fact that you got down-voted means so many MF mains do that.
Stars Shaper5 votesIf they'd put the same effort at countering Yasuo rather than downvoting no1 would be whining for any buff to Yasuo... ever!
JustMonika131 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AhGOPIKe,comment-id=000400020000,timestamp=2017-12-09T17:16:41.103+0000)
If they'd put the same effort at countering Yasuo rather than downvoting no1 would be whining for any buff to Yasuo... ever!
Look at you, defending one of the hardest counters for what I can assume is your main based on your IGN.
I like you.
Stars Shaper1 votesI also like Yasuo a lot but I’m not that good with him and anyway I don’t get chances to play him xD
I hate having to deal against good ones but that doesn’t mean the character is unfair. There a lot more frustrating than him.
chipndip14 votesHe's been a shit champion all preseason. Before preseason, he had like 48% to 49% general Diamond win rates. The reason Riot buffed him now is because if it was done like you said in the OP, they'd NEVER buff him. Yasuo, at this point, has a horrible stigma about him where nothing you can do about improving the champion will go well. He's inherently toxic and unfun just for being Yasuo. You could even rework the guy and remove a tool or two of his between his shield, windwall, dashes, or whatever, and people would STILL bitch about the remaining mechanics, on top of any new mechanic they put in. It's IMPOSSIBLE, so they might as well just buff the guy.
Salron2 votesYasuo was fine at the end of last season when he had a 49%~ winrate They're trying to get him back to a similar level
Salson2 votesYasuo isn't unhealthy.
His player base has a high percentage of assholes.
He forces you to rely of your jungler, which I admit is a bit bad in lower ranks where you don't have a jungler.
But the champion is overall good.
And ofc, I enjoy the hilarity that ensures when Akali hits 6 in this matchup.
AR URF1 votesYasuo isn't unhealthy.
His player base has a high percentage of assholes.
He forces you to rely of your jungler, which I admit is a bit bad in lower ranks where you don't have a jungler.
But the champion is overall good.
And ofc, I enjoy the hilarity that ensures when Akali hits 6 in this matchup.
I have yet to see a yasuo main that is salty.
Salson2 votesPlay Akali or Malzahar. It's super effective.
Seenan2 votesYasuo only gets 'unstoppable' when he gets at least 3 of his items, one of them probably having to be lifesteal-based. The other two being IE+zeal item. And, partly from the fact that he gets a free ult on any displacement whatsoever, he's actually difficult to play until then.
Take a Darius, Renekton, absolutely shit on him.
Also, the Ferver deletion hit him pretty hard.
Fedoran2 votesr e w o r k t h e p a s s i v e ?
SanKakU1 votesYeah where's the wind wall rework? Currently it's like a box instead of a wall.
Schenix1 votesWell one, that would be a really long time. Two, the champion is pretty close to being balanced recently -- just needs a few touches to make him not awful to play against everyone else who got burst buffs and early power in relation to Yasuo losing most of it in comparison. Balance doesn't necessarily equate to health however, so if it is "unfun to play against", then balance isn't the issue, yes. The windwall needs a rework, but keeping him bad is an awful tactic. Also not everyone knows, Platinum and Diamond Yasuos I face down to Silver and Bronze are all fine with me to fight even if I lose to it-- that's an opinion.
Yasuo is broken usually only when he doesn't need to build his crit items or if his core items are both cheap and other early bullies are weak. Between his horrible base stats and his required items for relevancy, the champion stays relatively squishy for his melee range and incredibly susceptible to CC or any form of outplay in which you know Yasuos kit rather than mindlessly attacking. It takes more thought, but he gets shut down harder and faster and easier than a mage in that position. Whenever he is allowed to build tankier items first and get away with it is when he spikes in relevant power and consistency historically.
SB Arneeman1 votesHonestly the main problem is his W. It is insanely strong vs a lot of champs, maybe the best ability in the game overall. However, it's also useless vs some champions. This creates very unbalanced matchups, where some ranged champions have no counterplay vs Yasuo while some other champions can easily destroy him. This leads to him haing a rather low winrate while also being super oppressive in many matchups.
BoilTheOil1 votesPeople complain about more than half the roster now smh yasuo has a good kit
DHXD1 votesYasuo is so shit at the moment that it's actually sad that someone is saying that he is strong