@RIOT Why is lee sin getting a buff like this?

CatSith··217 votes·12,938 views

Lee Sin

Dragon's Rage (R) [new effect] Tooltip now includes "Every time the target collides with an enemy champion, the target also deals 15/18/21 % of their bonus health as physical damage."

His ult has a strong base damage and 200% ad scaling, why does it even need to do bonus health damage?

222 Comments

Hola Hello132 votes

Gotta get him ready for worlds, obviously

IcyPepper57 votes

dem #LC$BIGPLAYS

now for the annual Corki buff...

DJ Di019 votes

Don't you know? Worlds is coming up, bud. Can't have a big event like that without #LCSBigPlays incarnated showing up.

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dem #LC$BIGPLAYS

now for the annual Corki buff...

Along with Alistar and Trinity Force buffs.

IcyPepper13 votes

Oh, my bad, forgot about #PunsOfDamage

Thankfully they won't have to buff Thresh, because we all know he's going to be picked.

Photos of Ghosts10 votes

But they will nerf once more.a side-build of him, since it's clearly what makes him overpicked.

Bears Dont Care5 votes

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Gotta get him ready for worlds, obviously

What he said it's for world's for the flashy lcs plays obviously.

Fadedpf73 votes

WTF? So Lee can kick the tank into all the squishies and 1 shot them now? Good to know.....

KoKoboto13 votes

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WTF? So Lee can kick the tank into all the squishies and 1 shot them now? Good to know.....

Holy shit this is so true, just kick that tank who just engaged back into the enemy team PENTA KILL LeeSin Ez

bad manner kid54 votes

The champion that has never left the LCS gets buffed

:gun icon: :face icon:

CatSith34 votes

Making his stacked kit even more stacked. Logic

I Main Swain7 votes

you know what he needs now? a cooldown refreshing passive! yay!

GigglesO6 votes

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The champion that has never left the LCS gets buffed

:gun icon: :face icon:

They are trying to buff lee, so that people forget how atrocious the morde update is.

Troll for Trump18 votes

YOu think Morde's update is bad? Skarner RIp

MrTheFlame698 votes

item 3145 Amumu ?

Rogue Revenant31 votes

Lee Sin is the antithesis of Irelia.

Instead of "Better Nerf Irelia" it's "Better Buff Lee Sin"

Awesome that your tank suddenly becomes an extreme liability to your team.

TotalJerk11 votes

I repeat, Lee sin has been nerfed 10 times. This will be his first buff in a long time.

And before people lynch me, I'm not saying that champions are balanced just because they've been nerfed a lot. Riven has received a metric fuckton of nerfs and she's still ridiculous.

Leu074 votes

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Lee Sin is the antithesis of Irelia.

Instead of "Better Nerf Irelia" it's "Better Buff Lee Sin"

Awesome that your tank suddenly becomes an extreme liability to your team.

"Better Nerf Irelia" now changed to "Better nerf Sona" and "Better nerf Cass"

SquishyArchon16 votes

Wait is this real. I mean I knew Riot was stupid but this actually seems to cross the line into them intentionally spitting on our faces and kicking us in the balls. The community as an overwhelming majority has consistently called for Lee Sin to be nerfed throughout the years but instead they just randomly throw out a buff to his ult?

Like honestly Riot why do you guys insist on being such fucking douchebags? And you're going to tell us this buff is in no way related to Lee Sin maintaining his position as a flashy LCS playmaker? No doubt this buff was 100% designed with the intent to make crowds go crazy off of Lee Sin triple kill ult executes.

Fucking failures lmao.

Nameless Voice12 votes

This is one of my most-hated abilities in the entire game. It has so many really strong uses, while having no cost and a very low cooldown.

Point-and-click instant cast means that there's no counterplay to it other than "don't be near Lee Sin" - which you don't have much choice about if you are a mêlée champion. Massive knockback makes him almost impossible for any mêlée champion to duel - he can just kick them away if he's in trouble. Massive damage and ratios means he can use it to kill squishy enemies easily. Repositioning tool allows him to do Insec plays.

And those aren't even the intended use case of the ability, which is to kick a champion into the middle of the enemy team to damage and CC them all.

Now, on top of all that, it gains tank-shredding power? (Edit: or possibly the power to shred others with their team's tank, tree description is a little ambiguous.)

DorkunedAuras5 votes

It actually does 0 more damage to the person he kicked. It just gives benefits for kicking the tank, rather htan always targetting the squishy. If the tank sets himself up wrong, he can be used to do big damage to his team based on his bonus hp. Though the Ratio is a bit much. You could set it up so that high stacks, item 3725 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 item 3083 Sion can be used to insta quadra kill the enemy team, followed by Sion not dying anyway, denying lee's penta.

Wyrmblade12 votes

Lee Sin doesn't need buffs.

He needs a damn rework.

sp44111 votes

Lee Sin's getting buffed, Lissandra's getting buffed, Lucian's getting buffed, Zed's getting buffed, mages as a whole are getting nerfed due to the MR itemization changes, AD assassins and marksmen are getting buffed as a whole due to the armor nerfs...

...Yeah, I'm not the most cynical of people, but I think we can all see the motivation behind these changes.

Why the fuck Riot would think that the same fucking champions every single fucking year on every single fucking match makes for interesting tournaments is beyond me.

Auz the Ripper9 votes

Lee sin hasn't been the dominant jungler almost all season.

Clearly riot needs to rectify this.

Vistha Kai9 votes

AD Lee Sin ults a tank.

Pentakill.

Lmao.

ZzEslIolZQ9 votes

He was outta the meta for a month, fuck us right.

Meep Man8 votes

Great, now people are gonna complain again about Lee Sin. I think Im gonna leave the forums for like... a month so everyone can get their heads straight and wait for actual gameplay of the new updates and not judging things on paper.

CatSith28 votes

Lol the description is enough to see how overpowered its going to be. Actual gameplay isn't gonna suddenly change it.

Lee sin for one, does not need damage buffs.

Hola Hello21 votes

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Great, now people are gonna complain again about Lee Sin. I think Im gonna leave the forums for like... a month so everyone can get their heads straight and wait for actual gameplay of the new updates and not judging things on paper.

Straight up buff, no need for gameplay to see how this will turn out.

Fowus7 votes

Fuck ghostcrawler

Nameless Voice8 votes

You mean the guy who doesn't actually have anything to do with balancing directly?

Puri Puri Taric7 votes

oh and yea aegis nerfed gg. randuins nerfed gg.

Count Buffon6 votes

It's been almost a year since he was pick-or-ban every single goddamned game. So they nerf tanks and buff Lee just in time for worlds. Happy birthday, Insec.

Devourer meta out of control. Better nerf Cinderhulk...

Cenobite Azaziel6 votes

I like how they "buff "( gut) garen, mordekaiser and in the same pbe patch give MORE free stats to lee sin. The guy with insane damage, mobility, early game pressure, with an execute, NEEDs more damage. 21% popularity in ranked. Geez.

Photos of Ghosts5 votes

This is insulting. He needs to finally be unviable for a couple years, like any other champ now and then.

Vier5 votes

Oh wow I didn't see him in a game for 3 days... said no one ever.

Doctor Dyment5 votes

Holy shit... are you serious? I thought it was something minor, like ten more damage on his Q or something. Not... MAX health damage. This is ridiculous!

Blue Moon Wolf5 votes

meanwhile, top lane champs with no ranged abilities and mana are getting indirect nerfs because of armor changes, this is starting to go from "league of legends" to "league of ADCs".

SensualMuffins3 votes

Welcome to late Season 2.

manbearswine5 votes

You don't get it,lee had this sort of weakness against tanks where he didn't scale very well against them if he messed up his early,so this will allow him to be able to deal with that,contributing on his established identity of being an overloaded mess.

But hey,could be worse,they could've remembered zyra still exists,luckily we dodged that bullet and it's just a lee sin buff.

FantasySniper11 votes

If someone messes up their early, they're not supposed to do all that well :/

manbearswine2 votes

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If someone messes up their early, they're not supposed to do all that well :/

So should lee just fall off then if he fails to capitalize on his oppressive early? That makes no sense,the buff is very deserved.

FantasySniper11 votes

So someone messes up and is behind despite having an oppressive early? That makes no sense, they have an oppressive early, but they should also do well late no matter what?

Lugg5 votes

Worlds is coming soon, so screw balance, we need #BIGPLAYS!

Norscout4 votes

"muh LC$"

VeryGreen3 votes

The head of riots balancing team is the same person who "fixed" MissFortune by letting her keep all her ap scalings. So good.

Leu074 votes

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The head of riots balancing team is the same person who "fixed" MissFortune by letting her keep all her ap scalings. So good.

MF really needs a buff right now, either delete the cast time on her E or give impure shots a better scaling so her ult would actually do damage.

Hi Ima DONGER2 votes

ARMOR NERF = LEE NOW AN ASSASIN!

Bears Dont Care6 votes

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ARMOR NERF = LEE NOW AN ASSASIN!

He was always an assassin. His base damage rivals assassin's as well as his scaling.

For Carthage1 votes

That's already the case. It's a tooltip update, not a buff. Have you really never noticed that?

CatSith16 votes

Its a new effect, so yes it is a buff.

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