Please stop giving juggernauts low elo buffs

Moody P··5 votes·3,014 views

Quick recap of my grievances:

Season 8: Darius bad? Damage buff. Still bad in high elo. Garen is bad, buff his damage.* Season 9: Nasus is bad? Just buff his stacks. Nasus jungle meme arises and tanks his winrate to the shitter. (Top lane's actually decent in Diamond again, I'll give Riot credit) Shyvana is bad? Buffs her dragon damage. We don't know what Mundo is getting.

To Riot's credit, the Volibear E change is actually pretty good, making his damage about the same or better versus durable opponents and making his E a better one-point-wonder skill. This is a great change, even if the R buff is whatever. It's not quite the change I was hoping for, like a revert to W's AS nerfs or a better passive, but I'll take it. The Yorick changes giving him tons more agency over his Maiden are fantastic, and I'm actually worried they might be too strong, but they're certainly in a great direction.

But these other ones aren't really going to pan out. Buffing Darius's damage and tank-killing just forces him into an already-filled antitank niche when he's supposed to be filling on the most generic Juggernaut fantasy of being a big raid boss and chaining multikills after he pops off. Darius also struggles from the current damage-heavy meta because he has NO innate defensive capabilities and his healing is basically permanently reduced by 40% because every mage has Morello's. If you wanted him to succeed in high ELO you could have improved his defenses, his target access, or reducing the ability for coordinated enemies to shut him down with barely any thought.

Buffing Nasus's damage, which we've done so many times now, makes it so that he comes online earlier, effectively turning into an unbeatable laner post-6 if he wasn't completely denied CS and doesn't have a Sheen by now, which drastically alters his fantasy of being the late game raid boss. Instead of making it less of a hassle to actually apply the damage, you've gone and made it so that he'll just do more. Nasus is a very meta-volatile champion; he's primarily good when there's low-pressure on top lane, like tanks, and not a lot of jungle interference. You can expect 100% that when the game changes in his favor again he's going to absolutely decimate soloQ for Plat and below even if he's still kind of a "whatever" champion above that.

Shyvana's dragon passive buff is not going to help her at all in high ELO where her """niche""" can be completely dismantled by simply keeping dragon warded, and any gank jungler will easily abuse Shyvana's horrible pre-6 ganking to get his bot/mid ahead and make it impossible for Shyvana to safely secure dragons. This is 100% a low elo buff. If you wanted to make Shyvana viable in high elo... You'd rework her, because nothing short of making her hideously overtuned will make her a champion that anyone who isn't a dedicated OTP would want to play in high elo. But really, just revert her Q nerf and she'd be fine again.

Low elo buffs on the top 3 classes that abuse low elo to ridiculous degrees when decent pushes juggernauts further into unfair stigmatizing. Any improvements on the champions should be entirely focused on better usability across the ladder.

* Garen actually ended up a fairly powerful pick in S8 when the buffs happened but that's not because the buffs happened. He just happened to get buffed right at the time when the meta shifted drastically into his favor with very few mages and a bunch of melee/short-range opponents like assassins, divers and Lucian. He fell out of favor pretty much exactly around the time that Aftershock mages made their way into the game and Garen went back to being invalidated by them.

8 Comments

Fraggleroc3 votes

this game is in the dumps when it comes to balance.

we need to change whoever is on top of balance. Reorganize the entire team. Before we will see change.

Alis Contritum2 votes

stop giving anything low elo buffs

SS19861 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b5yHLRg7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-12T12:45:21.602+0000)

Season 9: Nasus is bad? Just buff his stacks. Nasus jungle meme arises and tanks his winrate to the shitter

The reason the jg winrates sucks is everyone rage quits in low elo cause you pick it its good if people did not act like 5 year olds and rage quit cause the jger did not win my lane for me by 5 minutes .

DarwinTheory1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b5yHLRg7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-12T12:45:21.602+0000)

Quick recap of my grievances:

Season 8: Darius bad? Damage buff. Still bad in high elo. Garen is bad, buff his damage.* Season 9: Nasus is bad? Just buff his stacks. Nasus jungle meme arises and tanks his winrate to the shitter. (Top lane's actually decent in Diamond again, I'll give Riot credit) Shyvana is bad? Buffs her dragon damage. We don't know what Mundo is getting.

To Riot's credit, the Volibear E change is actually pretty good, making his damage about the same or better versus durable opponents and making his E a better one-point-wonder skill. This is a great change, even if the R buff is whatever. It's not quite the change I was hoping for, like a revert to W's AS nerfs or a better passive, but I'll take it. The Yorick changes giving him tons more agency over his Maiden are fantastic, and I'm actually worried they might be too strong, but they're certainly in a great direction.

But these other ones aren't really going to pan out. Buffing Darius's damage and tank-killing just forces him into an already-filled antitank niche when he's supposed to be filling on the most generic Juggernaut fantasy of being a big raid boss and chaining multikills after he pops off. Darius also struggles from the current damage-heavy meta because he has NO innate defensive capabilities and his healing is basically permanently reduced by 40% because every mage has Morello's. If you wanted him to succeed in high ELO you could have improved his defenses, his target access, or reducing the ability for coordinated enemies to shut him down with barely any thought.

Buffing Nasus's damage, which we've done so many times now, makes it so that he comes online earlier, effectively turning into an unbeatable laner post-6 if he wasn't completely denied CS and doesn't have a Sheen by now, which drastically alters his fantasy of being the late game raid boss. Instead of making it less of a hassle to actually apply the damage, you've gone and made it so that he'll just do more. Nasus is a very meta-volatile champion; he's primarily good when there's low-pressure on top lane, like tanks, and not a lot of jungle interference. You can expect 100% that when the game changes in his favor again he's going to absolutely decimate soloQ for Plat and below even if he's still kind of a "whatever" champion above that.

Shyvana's dragon passive buff is not going to help her at all in high ELO where her """niche""" can be completely dismantled by simply keeping dragon warded, and any gank jungler will easily abuse Shyvana's horrible pre-6 ganking to get his bot/mid ahead and make it impossible for Shyvana to safely secure dragons. This is 100% a low elo buff. If you wanted to make Shyvana viable in high elo... You'd rework her, because nothing short of making her hideously overtuned will make her a champion that anyone who isn't a dedicated OTP would want to play in high elo. But really, just revert her Q nerf and she'd be fine again.

Low elo buffs on the top 3 classes that abuse low elo to ridiculous degrees when decent pushes juggernauts further into unfair stigmatizing. Any improvements on the champions should be entirely focused on better usability across the ladder.

* Garen actually ended up a fairly powerful pick in S8 when the buffs happened but that's not because the buffs happened. He just happened to get buffed right at the time when the meta shifted drastically into his favor with very few mages and a bunch of melee/short-range opponents like assassins, divers and Lucian. He fell out of favor pretty much exactly around the time that Aftershock mages made their way into the game and Garen went back to being invalidated by them.

What the f*CK are you talking about!!!!!!!

Garen got a plus 20 Q buff but becuase low Elo feeder idiots fed and cried it got taken away again!!

What is your problem exactly? Garen was massively needed with the juggernaut rework got that buff then had it taken back. Garen is TRASH!

Nobody in gold plus has an easy time playing Garen everyone counters him!

Teemo Nasus Vayne Quinn Renekton Jax Trynd (yes this forum says build thornmail lel but tryndamere mains on Reddit openly call Garen easy!)

Fuck! Not even riven is hard countered by Garen anymore!!

Garen was nerfed and is shit! What part of that does this idiotic forum not understand????????

Z3Sleeper2 votes

I think you need to take your medication.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Additionally, stop giving them low elo nerfs that screw over high elo.

BigFBear1 votes

Hey Moody since you are a fan of Voli I would like to hear your opinion about my Voli Buff thoughts.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cVOrUg70-current-pbe-voli-buffs-e-stronger-than-w-now

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