For example, I am willing to play every role BUT Jungler. There would be no secondary option (or maybe 1 preference of the remaining 4). The rest would be treated the same as if you selected fill.
Playing the same role every game gets boring after a while and you want to switch it up, but cant pick fill because you hate that 1 role. This would be for those times.
Aseraan3 votesWe talked million times over this. This is why we have autofill cuz none in the right mind wants to play support. You can switch things up already stay away from fill pick top/adc or adc/mid mid/top, options are there. The idea ur putting up is just being lazy lazy.
Crispy0Snake14 votesAseraan1 votes[sg-janna]
Dont emoji me ima supp main AND I FEEL SICK PLAYING SUPP IM USELESS if im not playing jungle wich is fun cuz lot of players thinks jungle role is the cause of this but no the game is in this state because riot wanted this epic clownfiesta of electrocute lethality/stormrazor shit.
Crispy0Snake1 votesIf you facilitate the damage dealt by your allies, you indirectly deal the damage. This makes support the best role!
Aseraan1 votesSweet talking only where i play this doesnt work cuz ppl actualy want to deal damage and play lcs bigplays..... As much as i agree that supp is the best role, sometimes i cant carry from supp while i could carry from ym junge or wise versa.
But i can tell you sure ppl dont want to play supp in low elo cuz they dont want to be asinged under anyone. Cuz lets be real ppl have no respect for supps (like we have respect for anyone in low elo my bad).
End enchanters arent real supports.......
WoodenCreature5 votesDont emoji me ima supp main AND I FEEL SICK PLAYING SUPP IM USELESS if im not playing jungle wich is fun cuz lot of players thinks jungle role is the cause of this but no the game is in this state because riot wanted this epic clownfiesta of electrocute lethality/stormrazor shit.
Support is one of the most impacting roles lol. W/o good support that sets up proper vision you can't take objectives at all and if your team facechecks w/o vision they will just die blame the supp and just lose the game. If you say that supp is useless then u have no idea what this game is all about.
Aseraan1 votesWhithout meaning full team behind you you can land every hook peel all day long but nothing not even praying will stop the enemy from stomping you if noone can capitalize on the playmaking supps can pull off.
Second pls dont say i cant take objectives around gold level i still can take rift and drakes whithout being interupted let alone my fking control ward cleared from its pit. I say supp is useless like every other role if the roles beside cant play the game.
Also lemme explain pls i said i am useless OR atleast i feel useless a lot of the time im supporting, when i could play jungle or adc and be more usefull cuz im paired whit players who played 10 or 50 ranked games this season while im at 1500 ranked games played and they in basic have little to no idea how to play the role on basic level i can solocarry in.
W/o good supp and vision pls again as far as i can call it concerns i have, a lot of games where i as the jungler have higher vision score than the supp on my team, so as vision control go its again not rly role reliant until higher ranks, could even say IRRELEVANT cuz what we use the vision for?
Watching ganking routes and objectives and when i can take objectives whithout being interupted we cant talk about vision control.
WoodenCreature1 votesWhithout meaning full team behind you you can land every hook peel all day long but nothing not even praying will stop the enemy from stomping you if noone can capitalize on the playmaking supps can pull off.
Second pls dont say i cant take objectives around gold level i still can take rift and drakes whithout being interupted let alone my fking control ward cleared from its pit. I say supp is useless like every other role if the roles beside cant play the game.
Also lemme explain pls i said i am useless OR atleast i feel useless a lot of the time im supporting, when i could play jungle or adc and be more usefull cuz im paired whit players who played 10 or 50 ranked games this season while im at 1500 ranked games played and they in basic have little to no idea how to play the role on basic level i can solocarry in.
W/o good supp and vision pls again as far as i can call it concerns i have, a lot of games where i as the jungler have higher vision score than the supp on my team, so as vision control go its again not rly role reliant until higher ranks, could even say IRRELEVANT cuz what we use the vision for?
Watching ganking routes and objectives and when i can take objectives whithout being interupted we cant talk about vision control.
Also i saw your stats and u pretty much never ward u average something like 15 wards placed which is really low. when i play supp i buy like 15 control wards and get pretty high vision score. Something like 50-60 at 20 mins. Supp is all about controll no matter the elo u play it in.
Aseraan1 votesYep totaly true lately i have been pretty low on playing like i wanted even trolled/trow some games not my best games ye truth there hurts.
Illabethe1 votesAtm it's more no one wants to jungle....... 80% of fill is jungle atm.
JavelinJoe1 votesThey are not in their right mind, proven by their own words no less.
This is why we have autofill cuz none in the right mind wants to play support.
then
Dont emoji me ima supp main
Aseraan1 votesWell ye probably.
I hate EMOjies there is no text but that one popemojyie that makes me an insane person.
Krynnˉ2 votesWe talked million times over this. This is why we have autofill cuz none in the right mind wants to play support. You can switch things up already stay away from fill pick top/adc or adc/mid mid/top, options are there. The idea ur putting up is just being lazy lazy.
I'd rather play support then be autofilled jungle or mid, at least in support the early game is more straightforward than having great macro play. Just pick a lane support like Soraka or Leona and not worry about playing the map. Jungle is the hardest autofill role to autofill imo because no other role requires you to path correctly to get optimal gold, and no other role can be shut completely out of the game as bad as jungle can.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesMaybe people would be interested in playing support if: They weren't demoted to ward bots. Weren't significantly behind their team all game long. Had impactful agency in teamfights. Could have noticeable means to protect/damage objectives. Were actually given respect.
Aseraan2 votesWard bots totaly agree, i think every role should have its own pickable warding/wardclearing option outside of trinkets. Right now enemy can clear more wards down whit duskblade and sweeper than your supp can place down.
Hmmm sadly this comes whit the fact that supps have a shtload of utility most of the time and we all saw what happened when the supps got their power level raised to line whit others, looking at you Knights vow also pls dont forget ur not farming whit supps so if ur not there to leech the exp up you are getting behind.
They would have agency in teamfights tanking damage, peeling, catching, etc the problem is again that the damage is too high and lot of times stacking armor doesnt worth it or ungodly expensive.
Objectives should be team efforts as a supp you can have clear vision on it and even call others to take it down this is more of a personal trait and experience as you play more and start calling things as you see the opportunity.
Ye i said supps have no respect this is pretty much the same old game but just want to make a small comment on this that every other role gets its disrespect too, but supp is a funny one cuz in general i see ppl expecting way too much from a supp than lets say an adc at the same skill level wich is not fine.
ZT Xperimentor2 votesSadly true, while I'm glad trinkets are an option, they're too easily negated/removed these days.
Kind of an issue with the meta, as long as one player is going to be kept behind, they have to have innate power to keep up, or be useless dead-weight. Their items also have to be restrictive or those get abused by everyone else too.
Agreed, most of their utility is outclassed and superseded to the point of being negligible, which is why kill lanes have made a return.
Perhaps, though marksmen were originally the objective takers, with the repeated nerfs to towers along with buffs to damage, about anyone can split-push with a minion wave or two. However because towers aren't a threat after a few minutes, supports can't even defend them against a hefty minion wave. Ohm wrecker has been reworked a few times only to be immediately gutted because it gets used in 'pro' games, but should be a functional support item, if riot would drop the double standards.
I recall days when supports got more respect than junglers even, those weren't good days either; still I agree common respect for fellow players is a disappointing rarity. Disproportional expectations have made it quite hostile to play in general.
Aseraan1 votesWow thats the best answer i got in weeks and i have read it all.
Dude nice one.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesThank you, guess it comes from being a veteran lol. Nice to have an interesting discussion too!
FilDaFunk1 votesDon'y you dare insult support players, there are too few of us without your comments.
Aseraan1 votesDon'y you dare insult support players, there are too few of us without your comments.
Im a support player myself as well. I mean no harm but thats how it is outside the dedicated supps lot of other players rather dodge or troll if getting supp filled.
FilDaFunk1 votes"none in the right mind wants to play support." Great job not meaning any harm, then.
Aseraan1 votes"none in the right mind wants to play support." Great job not meaning any harm, then.
Oh im RLLLLLLY sry if you get offended only by that. I would not even dare to asume ur an apacheattackhelicopter......seriusly......jeeez dont stand out in the rain you will melt.
FilDaFunk1 votesWhat is your problem, dude? I'm pointing out ur insulting supp main,s then you try to deny it, then this is your reaction to me proving you did.
Moonshade1 votesI don't mind playing support, my issue is I only have one decent Jungler and that's Amumu lol
Aseraan1 votesI don't mind playing support, my issue is I only have one decent Jungler and that's Amumu lol
I dont mind supp either but yu know sometimes when i play jungle i wish i could support cuz our supp is terrible atm lets say.....so next game i Q for supp but than we get a jungle whos never seen a scutle crab upclose.
Now im sticking whit supp for example i was trolling too much whit jungle got tilted pretty hard gota let someone else take the blame now.
Amumu is a nice pick aoe stun a stun whit gapcloser tanky hes all nice.
Moonshade1 votesI mainly like Amumu cuz he has a fairly easy clear due to his E and W, his Q makes ganks easy (glitchy hitbox plus a solid stun with crazy range) and I'm usually bad at tanks cuz I fail to stay alive and more often than not and my team doesn't realize I've engaged but with Amumu you can pretty much die after R and if u hit a carry or 2 the fight SHOULD be won, and his R is a pretty obvious ATTACK NOW kinda spell.
Only downside to him is his early dueling sucks so you're jungle often gets stolen, I had a game where the enemy Kayn took my entire red side jungle and I got jumped by him and their mid when I tried to steal some of his jungle, we still won though cuz Amumu ult is just SO strong in team fights, much more useful than their Kayn
whizkid751 votesWe talked million times over this. This is why we have autofill cuz none in the right mind wants to play support. You can switch things up already stay away from fill pick top/adc or adc/mid mid/top, options are there. The idea ur putting up is just being lazy lazy.
Glad this is downvoted into the ground.
Sukishoo2 votesI remember something on that testing like last year but it never went through.
Jeddy0171 votesYeah, because most people would just put support as the exclusion & queue times shot through the roof.
GigglesO2 votesPlaying the same role every game gets boring after a while and you want to switch it up, but cant pick fill because you hate that 1 role. This would be for those times.
That’s actually why they don’t do this... they are afraid that removing a roll from fill is going to raise the demand of one roll.
ValyrianBlade1 votesAlready fill is pretty close to support.
Making it "all except one" would make it "all except support" versus "support". In OPs situation you'd never have to play jungle - you'd only play support.
NuggetMilk1 votesAlready fill is pretty close to support.
When I pick fill, I only get support like, 2/5 times. Picking fill is not close to support
ValyrianBlade1 votesWhen I pick fill, I only get support like, 2/5 times. Picking fill is not close to support
It must depend on elo and time of day...
I seem to get filled every 4 or 5 games to support when I'm queuing mid/top. Why wouldn't someone queuing fill be getting support? Although I guess the short answer might be they're getting filled to jungle (because they picked fill) and I'm getting filled to support. In which case if I can queue "not support" I'll get jungle in that case, and your "fill" will become support. i.e. same end result.
sneakydoug1 votesAs someone who pretty much exclusively chooses “fill,” I can tell you in gold elo and above, I’m assigned support about half the time or a bit less. I’m often assigned top or jungle.
DrCyanide1 votesIn Blind Pick going Fill I got Support about 40% of the time, which I think is ok. Maybe a little high, but ok, particularly if you consider it a second. It doesn't become a problem until people who are only ok with getting support every so often start getting it far more frequently. That's what lead to Auto Fill - we had a cascade of people saying "I'm not going to Support!" which caused people ok with supporting to start getting it way more often.
The same problem exists with excluding a role, which is why it's not going to happen.
Illabethe1 votesI don't know how that would work with their new ranking system where every role you play affects that role's MMR more than other roles (ie Plat support but Silver Jungler)
Leetri1 votesNever ever gonna happen. Riot already tried it on some servers and people just excluded Support and basically doubled the queue times for everyone. I believe they tried it on OCE and LAS like a year ago.
Gnesh1 votesResult: Support queue times = 1ms Every other position queue times = 3 days
Jeddy0171 votesAs others have stated, Riot already tried that last year. It drastically increase queue times on the PBE because everyone & their mom would exclude support. Can imagine how bad it would be for non-support players in high elo &/or lower populated servers?
SomeRandomName1 votesCan I have a random role option? I like playing fill, I don't like playing fill when it's literally 7/10 game support and 3/10 games jungle. I could queue as support/jgl if I wanted that. I don't even mind playing sup/jgl more than 20% of the time each, but mix it up a bit would be nice.