The REAL problem with Adcs, Yasuo, Tryndemere... Basically any crit champion.

Skorch··4 votes·833 views

Number 1 thing that everything everyone complains about have in common? They are all Crit. So i am gonna say how we fix this.

Please downvote if you disagree with my actual item changes, it defeats the purpose of the post if you downvote with my thought process and worry behind nerfing crit.

As anyone who frequents the boards knows is that they hate Ranged champions, specifically ADCs. With the nerf of armor pen being changed to lethality, the Crit ADCs are back. So the thing you have to figure out is if we nerfed ADCs would we have another Tank meta? Possibly.

However with some of the abusers of non tanks building tank items finding it MORE difficult (although not impossible) it is safe to say that it wouldnt be so bad. I personally think a complete overhaul of the items (as i find juggernaut items unhealthy also) and that pretty much every item in the game should be scaled down as you can get absolutly insane with current items (damage items = 3 shots squishies 4 shot tank mages and tankier adcs) and some full tanks make you impervious to all damage. for now im gonna focus on how we can possibly fix the CURRENT meta.

I also beleive Removing Crit wouldnt be good (while getting killed by a 20% crit sucks, thats what crit is in any game and it has a spot in league of legends)

item 3031 While a strong item since im nerfing all other crit items i dont see a need to change it for now, especially since crit is made to be BASED with this item in mind.

item 3508 This just gives too much, Ad, Crit, 30% CDR, and mana back. Simply lower CDR down to 10% and Ad -5

item 3046 Another item that just has too much going for it. My solution is either Nerf attack speed by 10% and crit by 10% OR remove lament, giving A LOT of bonus dps, movespeed, AND damage reduction is too much.

item 3087 change the 120% bonus damage to just 150% damage to minions, as statik is much weaker than pd right now i figured i didnt need to nerf it as hard.

item 3085 another fairly small nerf lower on hit damage by 5 and movespeed by 2% or if you think this needs a harder nerf remove the 15 bonus on hit damage as why does an item that gives 40% attack speed give bonus on hit damage. (lets not mention how wits end does because wits end doesnt give crit or the ability to hit multiple enemies [ however the mr and mr shred is nice])

item 3094 Lower Attack speed by 10% i feel its meant to be the THE SHOT item. So its for people like draven, jhin, mf, cait. Or people with an important auto attack, as such i feel it doesnt need to give this much AD.

Now i understand that riot really likes how nice the crit chance numbers add up and my OCD agrees so other changes are available.

6 Comments

Gamer Gallade1 votes

I like your idea on nerfing some of the items.

item 3046 is the real problem right now. it makes champions like Vayne &Yasuo such a massive pain to face at the moment and needs to be addressed ASAP. Even thought one was already nerfed and the other is already planned on getting a nerf.(Wind wall & double crit chance op as hell)

A side from being a better item then the item 2015 builds right now, the damage reduction is the biggest offenders of which is what is making them a problem in the first place.

A tone down on the attack speed should make the item less viable for its own good or making it cost a little more will also do some justice do to the fact that it has more value then the item 3094 &item 3087 at the moment.

Speaking of which, both item 3087 item 3094 could use a buff just to be on par towards item 3046 if they dont plan on nerfing that item.

nananananacat1 votes

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I like your idea on nerfing some of the items.

item 3046 is the real problem right now. it makes champions like Vayne &Yasuo such a massive pain to face at the moment and needs to be addressed ASAP. Even thought one was already nerfed and the other is already planned on getting a nerf.(Wind wall & double crit chance op as hell)

A side from being a better item then the item 2015 builds right now, the damage reduction is the biggest offenders of which is what is making them a problem in the first place.

A tone down on the attack speed should make the item less viable for its own good or making it cost a little more will also do some justice do to the fact that it has more value then the item 3094 &item 3087 at the moment.

Speaking of which, both item 3087 item 3094 could use a buff just to be on par towards item 3046 if they dont plan on nerfing that item.

I don't know, I feel like if you wanted to nerf Yasuo, you should nerf Windwall. Make it only able to absorb something like 4-8 (scaling with level) projectiles or something. The problem with it right now is that if you're ranged, you have no easy way around wind wall without putting yourself at risk... although I don't think that's necessarily a problem. Ranged champions naturally can abuse melee champions so Yasuo really needs it to function.

Gamer Gallade1 votes

You are right on that.

The other problem that i mention is his Double Crit chance because its just not completely fair due to the fact he can get the 100% chance with just 2-3 items(Given he does or doesnt have crit runes in him) in his hands and its also the reason why people are complaining on him aside from his OP wind wall. His crit passive needs some penalty in the early game that will give him the normal 200% at some point of the game.

Because lets face it, Double crit chance is a load of bull for not being an adc.

Skorch1 votes

the point of this post was to bring to light that a lot of champions people dislike right now are building crit, Yes Yasuo is affected by these changes, but its also meant to nerf the other abusers of said items which are also really strong. If you nerf crit in general it not only would nerf Yasuo but also the Vaynes, and Twitches of league.

nananananacat1 votes

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the point of this post was to bring to light that a lot of champions people dislike right now are building crit, Yes Yasuo is affected by these changes, but its also meant to nerf the other abusers of said items which are also really strong. If you nerf crit in general it not only would nerf Yasuo but also the Vaynes, and Twitches of league.

I think the probelm with most of them is that they are too safe for the damage they deal. Vayne can kite you out, Yasuo has Windwall, and Twitch has huge range with his ult.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Crit is a wonky stat because it's either there or it's not. It's like Schrodinger's Build-- if crits don't proc, that entire wing of your build is pretty much garbage. A few unlucky shots with 80% crit will spell a lost duel, but crit itemizing is literally just Shard build, PD and IE/ER. Runaan's if your champ calls for it.

They need more 20% options to round it off. ER is nice, but I'd really appreciate not watching people rush it without any crit built.

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