@ Riot, can you give me an explanation on Zephyr?

Boomerangbro··24 votes·2,047 views

I just want your reasoning behind removing the item. I know it wasn't as popular as you wanted, but just removing it? Couldn't you just change the tenacity? I love the sprite. I love the stats. Please keep it.

Edit: RIOTER RESPONSE

26 Comments

Chaotic Reks6 votes

RIP Hecarim item 3172 item 3172 item 3172 item 3172 item 3172 item 3009

Celeste Benal3 votes

I, too, am saddened by the removal of Zephyr. I think the problem with the item was that it lacked focus. Phantom Dancer or Shiv was almost always a better choice unless you really wanted that tenacity.

Boomerangbro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Celeste Benal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqjGX3Xs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-02T16:09:09.294+0000)

I, too, am saddened by the removal of Zephyr. I think the problem with the item was that it lacked focus. Phantom Dancer or Shiv was almost always a better choice unless you really wanted that tenacity.

Then there lies the problem. If other items are overshadowing it, we either change it to reflect playstyle's or give it a more appealing buildpath. Not to just REMOVE the item.

Restless Slumber3 votes

Why must they remove one of my favorite items? WHAY?!?!?

Restless Slumber2 votes

It's great on hec and Udyr.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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It's great on hec and Udyr.

Yeah, love it on hecarim.

It was my go to item for attack speed and movement speed. Great on few niche champions that don't like crit, but not liking crit is stupid and punishable by rito.

Boomerangbro2 votes

http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/item/zephyr/stats

Leaving this here. It's actually right in the middle of the pack of item popularity. Just in Masters+ it's a trap item. It doesn't mean you have to remove just for a division.

KnivingDude1 votes

Riot/Tencent realized it wasn't picked at worlds.

Also ADC mains are usually to braindead to pick up this item even though the enemy team CC's them to death. Also ADCs have dashes/Escapes/TahmKench /Anivia /ECT. They don't NEED Zephyr now that there is TahmKench.

Seriously. TahmKench destroyed the use of that item. First time a Champion made an item useless.

PeachsProperty4 votes

because Kayle , Bard , Tryndamere , Ekko , Aatrox , Kalista , Zilean didnt make item 3157 useless [insert rolly eye emoticon here]

KnivingDude1 votes

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because Kayle , Bard , Tryndamere , Ekko , Aatrox , Kalista , Zilean didnt make item 3157 useless [insert rolly eye emoticon here]

But they didn't though.

rollya1 votes

did u call?

SaltyKracka1 votes

Nobody bought it, and nobody won with it.

Beacon 0F Light2 votes

I build it all the time on Quinn and Hecarim. And win with it.

SaltyKracka1 votes

Unfortunately, you're not statistically significant.

Beacon 0F Light1 votes

:(

Hot Toddy1 votes

You are more than just a stat to me <3

Hot Toddy2 votes

rude

Pyro1 votes

Zephyr was used solely for two purposes:

  • replacing boots on ADCs
  • gimmick item on AS-centric fighters like Udyr, Shyvana and Irelia

I guess they either wanted to slightly reduce the power of 6 item ADC build, or considering if Zephyr received similar Tenacity reduction as Mercs did (down to 20%), it would become even more useless on the fighters, so they just decided to remove it.

Boomerangbro1 votes

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Zephyr was used solely for two purposes:

  • replacing boots on ADCs
  • gimmick item on AS-centric fighters like Udyr, Shyvana and Irelia

I guess they either wanted to slightly reduce the power of 6 item ADC build, or considering if Zephyr received similar Tenacity reduction as Mercs did (down to 20%), it would become even more useless on the fighters, so they just decided to remove it.

I can see where they would be coming from, but it being used as a finisher item is not "cheese" per se. Also Aatrox Shyvana Udyr XinZhao all used the item to relative success. I mean, movement speed + cdr + attack speed. That's what every attack speed reliant jungler wants!! What I suggest, is to remove the Tenacity, and have pickaxe replaced by the new energizer item. It would be energizer + stinger + gold = Zephyr. It would cost the same, have the same stats, but the tenacity would be replaced with a newer more exciting energizer passive.

Boom, balanced item that is made viable through the use of new item. easy fix.

Poske1 votes

{quoted}

Zephyr was used solely for two purposes:

  • replacing boots on ADCs
  • gimmick item on AS-centric fighters like Udyr, Shyvana and Irelia

I guess they either wanted to slightly reduce the power of 6 item ADC build, or considering if Zephyr received similar Tenacity reduction as Mercs did (down to 20%), it would become even more useless on the fighters, so they just decided to remove it.

Irelia would get trinity > full tank sometimes botrk Shyvana would get devourer > botrk

Udyr .. well trick2g udyrs might do it ..

Boomerangbro1 votes

RIOTER RESPONSE:

    "Based on purchase rate of highly ranked play - this item appeared in the bottom 5 items (So, out of 140 items, it was ~136 out of 140). It did not even meet our threshold of 'situational' buys - this means that even in highly organized or competitive play - Zephyr was most likely either a trap purchase or an item which was rightly identified as one having little worth or to be avoided.
    Buffing the item did not seem to create desired gameplay results - as it led to many champions who were unnaturally sticky and shut off the innate defenses of many champions - Irelia Syndrome.
    The item's flavor did not lend itself to an easy rework - nor did anyone have any promising reworks for the item that lead to gameplay that we preferred."

Here is where we play our part. Just because the item is not used in Masters + doesn't mean it doesn't have its' uses. I for one, do not believe it to be a trap item. It's actually core on my Aatrox. Also, we are not asking for buffs or reworks, we are asking for one change: TAKE AWAY THE TENACITY AND CHANGE THE BUILDPATH! If you are having trouble with "promising reworks" please use this thread so that we can help you guys find Zephyr's place in the meta.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

{quoted}

RIOTER RESPONSE:

    "Based on purchase rate of highly ranked play - this item appeared in the bottom 5 items (So, out of 140 items, it was ~136 out of 140). It did not even meet our threshold of 'situational' buys - this means that even in highly organized or competitive play - Zephyr was most likely either a trap purchase or an item which was rightly identified as one having little worth or to be avoided.
    Buffing the item did not seem to create desired gameplay results - as it led to many champions who were unnaturally sticky and shut off the innate defenses of many champions - Irelia Syndrome.
    The item's flavor did not lend itself to an easy rework - nor did anyone have any promising reworks for the item that lead to gameplay that we preferred."

Here is where we play our part. Just because the item is not used in Masters + doesn't mean it doesn't have its' uses. I for one, do not believe it to be a trap item. It's actually core on my Aatrox. Also, we are not asking for buffs or reworks, we are asking for one change: TAKE AWAY THE TENACITY AND CHANGE THE BUILDPATH! If you are having trouble with "promising reworks" please use this thread so that we can help you guys find Zephyr's place in the meta.

I'm not sure what it's supposed to do besides make you sticky. I'm thinking it could have given something similar to the hecarim passive that removed unit collision and increased AD based on movement speed, that way it would allow people to play based on movement speed, and in exchange we could remove the tenacity (and potentially replace it with slow reduction).

There, it's now a great item for "gotta go fast" champions.

Stealth Panda1 votes

Zephyr has always been my core item. :(

Count Buffon1 votes

Tenacity items always end up in weird spots. The only one I remember ever being popular is Spirit of the Ancient Golem, but then all the junglers shed salty tears because top laners were playing with their toys and now there is only Mercury's Treads.

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