Why is Garen ...

GripaAviara·Jun 19, 2018·1 votes·2,556 views

Allow to do this all at once:

Dominate Lane Have 0 skill shots Have great wave clear and turret damage One of the best lane sustain with his passive Deal massive damage with just 1 item + a massive execute Be near unkitteable without proper CC due to so many MS items in game + his slow clear With the ADC nerf, way too tanky early. Literary I had a garen that was a little fed, he solo destroyed top in 10 min because 3 people were needed to kill the beast Have a powerful silence

Every game if he's ahead he dictates the course of it. He's weakness is only a select few champs that if grow, can outdamage/sustain like Jax or Yi.

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JamareeJun 19, 20188 votes

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Allow to do this all at once:

Dominate Lane Have 0 skill shots Have great wave clear and turret damage One of the best lane sustain with his passive Deal massive damage with just 1 item + a massive execute Be near unkitteable without proper CC due to so many MS items in game + his slow clear With the ADC nerf, way too tanky Have a powerful silence

Every game if he's ahead he dictates the course of it. He's weakness is only a select few champs that if grow, can outdamage/sustain like Jax or Yi.

Because he doesn't do all that.

Dominate Lane

Only if the Garen is clearly better then his opponent OR if he is in a good match up, play someone ranged like Vlad, Quinn, Teemo, or Swain and watch the Garen cry.

Have 0 skill shots

What does this have to do with anything?

Have great wave clear and turret damage

No better then any champion with an AA modifier attack, and he has to pick between one or the other. If he is putting points into E to have good wave clear, that means he isn't putting points into Q for turret damage, besides, his E actually does less damage around targets, it only does full damage if he is solo.

One of the best lane sustain with his passive

HA, ah yes, the best lane sustain, the lane sustain that forces him to disengage, not farm or be near minions to keep it up and turns off with a single AA, yup, amazing.

Deal massive damage with just 1 item + a massive execute

Oh look buzzwords.

Be near unkitteable without proper CC due to so many MS items in game + his slow clear

LOL, no, he is VERY easily kitable, all he has is his speed increase.

With the ADC nerf, way too tanky

Also, not really.

Have a powerful silence

Wow, a silence, so strong, it isn't like other champions get stuns, slows, AD decreases, FAR larger damage spikes or etc on their AA based abilities, but a silence, stop the presses people, Garen gets a silence, sure it is one of the weakest forms of CC in the game, but guys, I swear, its OP.

Every game if he's ahead he dictates the course of it.

This can't be said about other ahead champions why?

He's weakness is only a select few champs that if grow, can outdamage/sustain like Jax or Yi.

Or kiting, ranged champions in general, decent players.

GripaAviaraJun 19, 20181 votes

Or kiting, ranged champions in general, decent players.

Sure, tell me more bullshit.

How he's good vs a few champions that aren't even played much like Quinn, how he's bad with a near 52% win rate in gold+ with a juggernaut, which makes it super hard in lower elo to deal with,

How he has one of the biggest damage dealt ingame for a champion that tanky

JamareeJun 19, 20184 votes

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Sure, tell me more bullshit.

How he's good vs a few champions that aren't even played much like Quinn

Play them then?

how he's bad with a near 52% win rate in gold+ with a juggernaut, which makes it super hard in lower elo to deal with,

Because he is a pubstomper, they are pubs?

How he has one of the biggest damage dealt ingame for a champion that tanky

Based off what exactly?

SEKAIJun 19, 20184 votes

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Sure, tell me more bullshit.

How he's good vs a few champions that aren't even played much like Quinn, how he's bad with a near 52% win rate in gold+ with a juggernaut, which makes it super hard in lower elo to deal with,

How he has one of the biggest damage dealt ingame for a champion that tanky

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Garen/graphs/

His win rate goes down a slope that ultimately takes a sharp dive into 46% in Diamond. You know what that means. Just because a champion may be "OP" against noobs or the lesser skilled, it doesn't mean the champ is actually and objectively OP.

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Also by "one of the biggest damage dealt ingame for a champion that tanky", which is true, but you're being very elusive here. The reason for his high "damage dealt", or total damage dealt, is not because he's OP or anything, but because his major damage source is his AoE attack E (which all Garen rushes Black Cleaver to improve its damage, and may also even buy Sunfire Cape to complement it too), which rounds up extremely quickly against MINIONS as he lanes and pushes, leading to the high total damage dealt as that parameter IS MOSTLY COMPRISED OF DAMAGE AGAINST MINIONS. All champions whose major attack source is AoE or builds heavy AoE items will often naturally lead to high total damage dealt; this is the same for Brand, Dr. Mundo, Singed, Vel'Koz, Kayn, Shyvana etc etc (though it typically tends to leave lower damage dealt count if they're played in jungle, as there aren't nearly as much minions in jg than in lane and junglers typically end up with noticeably less cs than laners), and Garen is no exception.

Damage dealt to CHAMPIONS, is a different story.

GripaAviaraJun 19, 20181 votes

Oh wow, who knew that in a very skilled environment Garen doesn't have enough opportunities to get ahead and destroy because atm bruisers like Irealia are super strong in high tier (https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Irelia/graphs/) (irelia is not a garen counter, but she can simply outscale him if she roams) and the games are way more faster

That simply doesn't say anything. 1.6% should not dictate the game. Riot should balance for both 1.6% and 98.4% percent

Being punished super hard because top lanner is not incredibly good to counter Garen is not a healthy thing

Warlord RhinarkJun 19, 20187 votes

-People still thinking Garen is OP in 2018

Omega lul

BEST MEAT BALLSJun 19, 20181 votes

tell them my friend , tell them...

GripaAviaraJun 19, 20181 votes

He's super OP if he gets a little ahead. That's his design, that's Darius design or other juggernauts. That being said, it's not a healthy design. High tier they suck, low tier they busted as fuck

Why is this ok from the boards POV?

JamareeJun 19, 20186 votes

You are Gold and think Garen is OP...who did you buy your account from?

GripaAviaraJun 19, 20181 votes

Haha, tell me more how is not

JamareeJun 19, 20184 votes

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Haha, tell me more how is not

Because he is a purely melee jugg whose only tool to close the distance is to walk at you. He can't dash, he can't jump, he can't pull in, he walks towards you. There isn't any gimmicks with him that other champions have, he isn't like Yasou or Irelia who can use minions to get in an attack, he isn't like Darius who can pull enemies towards you, he isn't like Olaf who has a ranged slow to close the gap or like Yi or Jax to leap to you, no, he walks then runs at you, all the while giving you time to kite away from him which plenty of champions can do quite easily, the aforementioned ones above for that matter.

His passive isn't even all the strong and literally gets turned off with ANY damage, it isn't like Mundo's that keeps working outright meaning that the only way for him to actually use it in lane is deny himself CS which denies him gold and thus power.

His CC is quite literally some of the weakest in the game, it is a SINGLE target melee SILENCE, meaning that he has until the silence is up to kill you before you simply run away or flash away whereas say a Darius can poke you from afar, finally pull you in when ready then slow, yeah.

Garen isn't good, anyone who thinks so is subpar.

Critmaster GarenJun 19, 20185 votes

also this thread belongs in memes and games.

GabresolJun 19, 20183 votes

Garen is juggernaut that only scales of AD and resistences. His entire sustain relies on him NOT fighting. His engage is running at you with mediocre speed, what can be countered by any hard cc slows or being a champ that can dash or blink. His turret damage comes from him using his engage and disengage tool setting him up to get ganked once he used it. His waveclear is also his main damage so if he cleared a wave he cannot fight until his cd is over. His kit contains no real gap closer or a way to pull his enemies to him. His silence has an obvious animation giving you a window to react with a dash, blink, or cc to answer it.

redniwediSJun 19, 20183 votes

You should play Garen, not because "free wins" but because there are plenty of people out there who will gladly teach you the hard way as to why Garen is not OP. Jump into some games and see what people do to shut you down.

Garen is nowhere near over powered. He is strong, yes, but he is not overly strong to the point of being nerf worthy.

Summonah12369Jun 19, 20182 votes

Why would he need skillshots? He's not really that kind of a champion.

SirLucseanJun 19, 20181 votes

Ikr just use Illaoi or Gangplank or Gnar and use summoner 14 to melt his ass early on. He's crafty as an support tank if you are an strategist like myself

[garen-swing]

TKM AxeJun 19, 20181 votes

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Ikr just use or orand use to melt his ass early on. He's crafty as an support tank if you are an strategist like myself

[garen-swing]

in low elo will Illaoi get stomped by Garen dont ask why. its no logic in low elo...

Critmaster GarenJun 19, 20181 votes

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in low elo will get stomped by dont ask why. its no logic in low elo...

high elo too. i guess its a combination of things.

her tentacles are free resistance stacks for garens w.
shes not going to kill the clone or deal meaningful damage to him, when he activates w. even if the debuff triggers, see point 1.
every time illaoi takes damage, it cuts the duration of the clone by some time (1 second?). so even if you get hooked by her e, you buy bamis cinder and just spin on her. garen deals his damage rapidly in many small instances. means the clone is going to be available for like 2 seconds when he spins on her with a sunfire effect.
you can parry most of the damage on her initial ult burst and walk away.