I don't freaking understand. Like how is it okay for annie to instant stun but champs like veigar its not? So many double standards in this game its almost unbearable lol.
And its 1.25 seconds base!? We're talking 1.5 second area instant stun at level 6. I give up trying to understand this game man lol. really.
pE4CbxDPQO4 votesYeah. Amumu, Taric, Malphite, Kalista, Alistar, Brand, Malzhar, Lissandra all shouldn't be allowed to hold onto their CCs indefinitely.
Support annie has major trade-offs (especially in this meta). And with her support winrate at an all time low its quite a funny time to bring it up.
Pisdov1 votesYeah. Amumu, Taric, Malphite, Kalista, Alistar, Brand, Malzhar, Lissandra all shouldn't be allowed to hold onto their CCs indefinitely.
Support annie has major trade-offs (especially in this meta). And with her support winrate at an all time low its quite a funny time to bring it up.
if annie's stun was on a long cool, and an ability, u'd have an argument. but it isn't, it's her passive. a champion passive isn't supposed to be stronger than a lot of champions ults
FistOfSharkiesha2 votesThis is exactly where you're letting go of logic. Her passive does no damage and she has a shield that does no damage. This leaves her with an ultimate that does big burst and some DoT, nothing special, a targeted low-mid range ability, and a melee range cone ability. Her kit is clunky, she has only 3 damaging abilities, and she has absolutely 0 mobility. Skarner has basically the same passive. Do this "X" times and stun.
Riven has 1.5 seconds of hard CC built into her high damage high mobility kit but you don't seem to mind her?
Pisdov2 votesThis is exactly where you're letting go of logic. Her passive does no damage and she has a shield that does no damage. This leaves her with an ultimate that does big burst and some DoT, nothing special, a targeted low-mid range ability, and a melee range cone ability. Her kit is clunky, she has only 3 damaging abilities, and she has absolutely 0 mobility. Skarner has basically the same passive. Do this "X" times and stun.
Riven has 1.5 seconds of hard CC built into her high damage high mobility kit but you don't seem to mind her?
annie's burst is ridiculous as it is, her e makes her tankier than most mages. her stun could easily be lowered from 5 stacks before it activates, and force her to actually participate in a team fight and risk being counter cc-'d or killed. instead, she can prime it at fountain, sit on the back line at zero-risk, then drop an R or Flash+R at her leisure and insta-kill the entire team. sounds like you're the one who doesn't know how to think logically to me.
FistOfSharkiesha2 votesYou build glass canon and you're surprised when a mage makes you explode in an instant. Buy Athene's if you're a mage, otherwise buy some other great MR item and watch as she has little to no kill potential.
TheDevice1 votesannie's burst is ridiculous as it is, her e makes her tankier than most mages. her stun could easily be lowered from 5 stacks before it activates, and force her to actually participate in a team fight and risk being counter cc-'d or killed. instead, she can prime it at fountain, sit on the back line at zero-risk, then drop an R or Flash+R at her leisure and insta-kill the entire team. sounds like you're the one who doesn't know how to think logically to me.
There's no point man. People will defend this freelo champ as often as possible.
BluePolarizer4 voteswhy do bronzes complain about a champ that's been around since 2009?
all the problems with Annie can be solved by getting better.
TheDevice1 voteswhy do bronzes complain about a champ that's been around since 2009?
all the problems with Annie can be solved by getting better.
Whats funny is.. it's not even my logic it's riots logic considering what they did with veigar and their reasoning behind it. Their issue was that his instant area stun was unhealthy.... So why is it okay for annie to have it?
And somebody made an argument that its easier for veigar to get away lololol what? Really? Because of that built-in shield he has? No wait thats annie.
BluePolarizer4 votesI don't agree with the Veigar changes, but the logic was, Veigar could zone out an entire team or split the enemy team with a very long stun.
Annie's stun has neither the duration nor the AOE of Veigar's stun.
Obviously Annie's stun is not the problem; people have a problem with her burst. The trick to beating Annie is realizing that her late game is shit if she doesn't get fed due to her weak mobility. She is an early/mid game snowballer with zero mobility, low range and relatively weak AOE. She can't win just by farming, she has to actively suppress the enemy carries from getting big. It isn't like Azir, Cass or Karthus who just have to AFK farm, and even if they are 0-10, once they get 4-5 slotted they'll melt the entire enemy team.
That means stop taking ignite against her, group early after taking a tower to deny her picks, and overall changing your strategy to win the game, rather than do the same thing that doesn't work over and over again.
Pisdov1 votesI don't agree with the Veigar changes, but the logic was, Veigar could zone out an entire team or split the enemy team with a very long stun.
Annie's stun has neither the duration nor the AOE of Veigar's stun.
Obviously Annie's stun is not the problem; people have a problem with her burst. The trick to beating Annie is realizing that her late game is shit if she doesn't get fed due to her weak mobility. She is an early/mid game snowballer with zero mobility, low range and relatively weak AOE. She can't win just by farming, she has to actively suppress the enemy carries from getting big. It isn't like Azir, Cass or Karthus who just have to AFK farm, and even if they are 0-10, once they get 4-5 slotted they'll melt the entire enemy team.
That means stop taking ignite against her, group early after taking a tower to deny her picks, and overall changing your strategy to win the game, rather than do the same thing that doesn't work over and over again.
you dumb af, you literally said the problem with veigar is the same thing annie does. rofl. zones entire team out with her passive. priceless.
BluePolarizer3 votesAnnie can't stun an entire team unless they bunch up, and most of the time she is forced to spend her burst on your front line who can usually tank it with no problem because she has no mobility without flash. Veigar's E has a way bigger range, way bigger AOE and has a way longer stun duration.
Before you call someone dumb, maybe consider that you are low silver and I am high plat. Obviously there's something I'm doing right and you are doing wrong.
Pisdov1 votesAnnie can't stun an entire team unless they bunch up, and most of the time she is forced to spend her burst on your front line who can usually tank it with no problem because she has no mobility without flash. Veigar's E has a way bigger range, way bigger AOE and has a way longer stun duration.
Before you call someone dumb, maybe consider that you are low silver and I am high plat. Obviously there's something I'm doing right and you are doing wrong.
so basically your argument is "im higher elo, so i'm right". elo doesn't equate to intelligence, as you've proven here. you are dumb, and you are wrong.
yours truly, a silver elo player.
BluePolarizer1 voteselo is directly correlated with game knowledge. You seem mad. If you truly believed that elo didn't equal intelligence, you wouldn't be so defensive.
Pisdov1 voteselo is directly correlated with game knowledge. You seem mad. If you truly believed that elo didn't equal intelligence, you wouldn't be so defensive.
ah, the "you mad bro?" defense. very good argument. for a dumb person, anyway. :)
BluePolarizer1 votesseems like you have a limited vocabulary. Might want to work on that before you start arguing.
Pisdov1 votesseems like you have a limited vocabulary. Might want to work on that before you start arguing.
ah, the old insult internet grammar defense. another nice argument. for a dumb person. which you are. :)
BluePolarizer1 votesnot gonna argue this lol. You can think what you want (if you call it thinking), I'll do my own thing. Peace bro.
Pisdov1 votesnot gonna argue this lol. You can think what you want (if you call it thinking), I'll do my own thing. Peace bro.
ah the old "i'm not gonna argue with you, though i've been doing just that for a while now" defense. a very bold move, but sadly, still dumb.
also... "I'm not your bro, fella" - South Park Canadians.
TheDevice1 votesI don't agree with the Veigar changes, but the logic was, Veigar could zone out an entire team or split the enemy team with a very long stun.
Annie's stun has neither the duration nor the AOE of Veigar's stun.
Obviously Annie's stun is not the problem; people have a problem with her burst. The trick to beating Annie is realizing that her late game is shit if she doesn't get fed due to her weak mobility. She is an early/mid game snowballer with zero mobility, low range and relatively weak AOE. She can't win just by farming, she has to actively suppress the enemy carries from getting big. It isn't like Azir, Cass or Karthus who just have to AFK farm, and even if they are 0-10, once they get 4-5 slotted they'll melt the entire enemy team.
That means stop taking ignite against her, group early after taking a tower to deny her picks, and overall changing your strategy to win the game, rather than do the same thing that doesn't work over and over again.
Annie stuns far more often than Veigar and maybe more often than any champion in the game outside of single target (udyr). Annie also doesn't even have to cast to zone out enemies lol. She just has to be present.
If annie is allowed to be broken why cant aatrox T__T honestly thats all i care about now i cant even discuss anymore
BluePolarizer3 votesno she doesn't. She can stun once with a pre-charged passive then she can't stun again for at least 4 seconds, assuming she Q's, E's, W's and then uses Q again for a single target stun. For the same duration of a Veigar stun, she needs to stun someone twice, while half of the duration is single target. Veigar can stun an entire team, or more often, half the enemy team, for 2.5 seconds.
The comparison to Udyr is disingenious because Annie is neither tanky nor mobile. Unless you delete the enemies instantly, the counterattack will probably melt her instantly, and she can't get away like Udyr can.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesfull build annie flash ult adc and pac and they isnta die in 0.25 seconds and game won. much skill. wow play. muh weak late game. you seen her ratios? they are absurd.
BluePolarizer1 votesAnnie at lvl. 18 has 1045 base. 3.15 AP scaling for 5 second burst.
Meanwhile:
Cassiopeia: 2720 base + 7.15 AP scaling. Fiddlesticks: 2960. 5.85 AP scaling. Heimer (RW): 1969 base. 6.33 AP scaling. Karthus: 2300 + 4.6 AP scaling. Zyra: 2440 base. 4.25 AP scaling. (Assumed 2 frenzied plants.) Kog'Maw: 2340 base. 2.7 AP scaling. Add an additional potential 40% of their HP from AA's. Rumble: 2107 base. 3.7 AP scaling. (Danger Zone numbers included.) Brand: 1818 base + approx 12% max HP, with 3.45 AP scaling on a single target. Vel'Koz: 2495 base with passive. 2.95 AP scaling. Fizz: 1815 base. 20% missing HP. 4.1 AP scaling.
Syndra: 2014 base. 3.19 AP scaling. Viktor: 1575 base + 4.03 AP scaling. Jax: 1694 base. 3.2 AP scaling. Morgana: 1550 base. 3.95 AP scaling. Kennen: 1530 base. 3.85 AP scaling. Swain: 1416 base. 4.08 AP scaling. Xerath: 1610 base. 3.4 AP scaling LeBlanc. 1435 base. 3.7 AP scaling. (RQ/E.) Katarina: 1325. 3.75 AP scaling.
Her base damage is nothing spectacular and her AP scaling isn't anywhere near as scary as the teamwiping AP hypercarries or even far more mobile assassins. She's just better early game.
jDVL20eCYs1 votes5 sec is not burst. then adc have burst since they in 5 seconds to tard damage. i talk about a max 1 second rotation as burst. and annies is so much easier then all the others
BluePolarizer1 votesK. in 1 second burst Syndra/LeBlanc/Kat/Viktor/Morg/Zyra/Brand/Fizz/Kennen all have higher AP ratios and base damage while having either more utility, higher range or higher mobility. Why is Annie OP again lol?
jDVL20eCYs1 voteskata higher burst in 1 sec? no. casue her is point click insta. sydnra take more then 1 sec most of the damage and have of much more coutner play. its stark 3 seconds for fizz url and its skil shot. so much counter play. just press zhonya. morgana 1 sec burst is nothing she need proc her second ult and get multiple ticks of her w of. cause she don't pay for how easy her combo is to pull of. if morgs eniter kit was point click isn't like annie yrs she would eb broken as fuck but know she dose not.
BluePolarizer1 votesits not instant. There is a very slight delay (about as fast as Malphite ult, and people can dodge that) and with Annie's lack of mobility, you can use Zhonya's on her flash.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesfuckign please she has no delay like malph. you never see anyone in pro play high elo dodge a flash annie ult. please its the easiest most reliable combo in the game.
BluePolarizer1 votesI've never seen Annie played in pro games recently.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesi have seen her every game as support but okey :)
pE4CbxDPQO3 votesBecause she is quite shutdown by a lot of champs and can get behind pretty easily. Annie is a great champion, but you still need to play well with her to be scary.
Pisdov1 votesBecause she is quite shutdown by a lot of champs and can get behind pretty easily. Annie is a great champion, but you still need to play well with her to be scary.
what kind of nonsense is that. no you don't need to play her well or be fed. you can play support annie, have no farm or kills, and still insta-win duels and team fights with one R. She shouldn't be able to save a stun indefinitely, that would go a long way towards making her a balanced champion.
jDVL20eCYs1 voteslol and ekko is freelo super easy. you cry about ekko for you say annie is balanced and hard to play? excuse me she has the easiest kit out of all champs in lol. her 100-0 point click nuke si super toxic
pE4CbxDPQO1 votes[{quoted}](name=ekko or feed,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aj1zr6m5,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-06-21T22:20:20.639+0000)
lol and ekko is freelo super easy. you cry about ekko for you say annie is balanced and hard to play? excuse me she has the easiest kit out of all champs in lol. her 100-0 point click nuke si super toxic
Have never once cried about ekko. Ekko is love Ekko is life.
PixTron2 votesThing is, Annie was severely nerfed when her range was bashed (don't get me wrong, it was an amazing nerf, as she can no longer lane so safely and out of range and be worse that Teemo), I have rarely seen Annies, or rarely seen Annies do well for that matter.
So now it's a pretty rare case for an Annie carry to get out of control these days.
She can easily be countered with counter CC and - of course - teamwork. Annie catches solo people pretty damn easily, and not sticking as a team can really cause them to scale hard.
Nameless Voice2 votesBecause it's her ultimate, it has a long cooldown, and in order to use it effectively she also needs to use Flash, which has an even longer cooldown.
Flash-Tibbers isn't exactly the most healthy thing in the game (I wouldn't mind seeing Tibbers get thrown rather than appearing instantly) but it's nowhere near as bad as the things that a lot of other champions have in their kits.
Głacıes1 votesShe is designed to be easy and help new players work on managing skills, cooldowns, mana, etc. She may have high burst, but a lot of mages have high damage with at least one form of cc. If you know to be cautious and not face check too much, you can lower your odds of death by flash-tibbers. On that note, I'd say she's good for punishing people for mistakes.
Also, she and Veigar have different kits. If Veigar could instastun someone, he'd delete someone with absolutely no room for counterplay. With Annie at least you have a chance if she is not fed/ you have a bit of MR.
DrNova1 votesDefine healthy
Strawberrycocoa1 votesEeehhhh.... the whole point-click area stun thing is extremely aggravating, but what bugs me more is that the only counter to it is keeping distance. This means Annie can zone you away from farming just by walking toward you while her clouds are swirling. She doesn't even need to do anything to actively zone; you see her walking toward you and you can either risk the stunbomb or retreat and fall behind on CS. Annie can control a lane without even spending resources. That's what bugs me most about her.
BluePolarizer2 votesBlitz can stand in front of your minion line if he ever gets ahead and there's nothing you can do about it.
In solo lanes, Pantheon, LeBlanc and Zed can do the same thing.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesthere is much more counter play to blitz, lb and zed. panth i can agree is as toxic to lane against. but so much easier to deal with later in the game and don't have near anneis isnta burst
jDVL20eCYs1 votesso sad to see boards up vote ekko is op cry cry stuff but when some one tells the truth about annies unhealthy game play they downote. i don't get how you love low skill low coiner play champs. is it cause you cant play champs like ekko, but only point click annie? disgusting is what it is
