"We, at Riot are nerfing the most OP jungler at this time to alleviate frustrations"

Boomerangbro·Jan 20, 2016·3 votes·508 views

That's why we're nerfing ELISE! FREAKIN ELISE!

Not LEE SIN, but ELISE.

Seriously, just NERF HIM.

10 Comments

TehNACHOJan 20, 20164 votes

So I realize someone's going to complain about me using this argument but.

Winrates. Lee Sin has the third lowest win rate of Jungle champs. Maybe if we control for the Lee Sin mains who actually know what they're doing he will appear strong, but otherwise it only suggests that you can't just give him a flat nerf or else he may just end up entirely useless except to a tiny minority of the population, and that's just bad business and bad balancing.

Dominick DestineJan 20, 20162 votes

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Lee Sin has the third lowest win rate of Jungle champs

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

BoomerangbroJan 20, 20162 votes

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So I realize someone's going to complain about me using this argument but.

Winrates. Lee Sin has the third lowest win rate of Jungle champs. Maybe if we control for the Lee Sin mains who actually know what they're doing he will appear strong, but otherwise it only suggests that you can't just give him a flat nerf or else he may just end up entirely useless except to a tiny minority of the population, and that's just bad business and bad balancing.

Considering that a third of all players play him consistently, I would assume that more than one third of the population is bronze, and would indeed, be terrible at any champ. Lee Sin in particular.

For such a high playrate, his winrate looks about right.

Also, if one third of the population plays Lee, they must have a reason to do so. One reason, is that hes just TOO STRONG.

TehNACHOJan 20, 20164 votes

You don't realize that champion.gg only accounts for Platinum+ Ranked games.

You don't realize that champion.gg also has a graph specifically detailing win rate vs played games.

And

You don't realize that of the people who've played Lee Sin over 125 times, they still rock a 47% win rate.