Man, zed is complety unviable after this nerfs

DropFill·Jan 30, 2015·40 votes·2,978 views

Said no one ever

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BigIdeaJan 30, 201513 votes

uh it's probably cause making zed unviable is not the intent. that's not what balancing does.

DropFillJan 30, 20153 votes

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uh it's probably cause making zed unviable is not the intent. that's not what balancing does.

Riot nerfs most of the times make champions unviable with their nerfs. Also I was being sarcastic. The nerfs didn't do absolute nothing about his stupid laning phase

IceKingChernobogJan 30, 20158 votes

Olaf Urgot Twitch Evelynn would like a word with you

ChrisB5Jan 30, 20152 votes

In all fairness, Olaf can still be pretty scary, but far from balanced throughout. Twitch on the other hand is very balanced. I have to agree with the other two though, and everyone else can I'm sure. I wish they'd give Eve either a balance or rework, because she is a fun champ.

SolaxoJan 30, 201511 votes

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would like a word with you

What's your point? Maybe they're weak but it doesn't mean it was designer's intent. Also Olaf, Urgot and Twitch are fine, stop jumping on bandwagon

Rinky DinkyJan 30, 20154 votes

Bandwagon's are literally 75% of these boards. People never look at stats/numbers/PLAY THE CHAMPION THEMSELVES before calling them garbage.

Don't worry tho, You know how Graves was called garbage last season? "He is op now no counterplay much burst". literally NO changes to him directly. The season 4 buff was still "garbage" for a "garbage" champ

I cant wait for when people cry about Olaf again.

chumblerJan 30, 20151 votes

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Bandwagon's are literally 75% of these boards. People never look at stats/numbers/PLAY THE CHAMPION THEMSELVES before calling them garbage.

Don't worry tho, You know how Graves was called garbage last season? "He is op now no counterplay much burst". literally NO changes to him directly. The season 4 buff was still "garbage" for a "garbage" champ

I cant wait for when people cry about Olaf again.

It's like you're too stupid to realize that others getting nerfed repeatedly can bring a champion back to the top. PS Graves did not go unchanged. He got a huge buff to his burst.

Rinky DinkyJan 30, 20152 votes

You do not go from being "Garbage" to "OP".

The reason's people claim he is OP for HAVE BEEN HERE ALL ALONG.

The buff that took place is season 4 did not bring Graves any play. He was still considered garbage because "low range".

Now the pro's did play him because #1 he wasnt garbage, and #2 he had harder burst than Lucian in some cases, and could actually stomp Lucian with a good supp.

Sivir was considered bad as well. By the community.

Wanna know the truth? They werent Garbage!

Hard to believe right?

There is a difference between a champion being non-viable/garbage, and another champion in the same role being OP (Lucian, Corki, and Tristana)

Now that these champions are BALANCED (They are STILL seeing play, which is GOOD) alot more adc's are being played.

Even Ashe and Varus are being played more.

Graves is not OP. He has very clear counters and weaknesses. EX: Sivir can block his ENTIRE burst with a good spellshield.

People call champions who are popular OP 90% of the time.

Hecarim is not OP. Lissandra is not OP. They are simply fotm meta champions.

Expect huge meta shifts with the cc change coming this patch, and also expect changes in general.

The Meta is 100% gonna change whenever a pro team does something new.

Death By SaltJan 30, 20151 votes

Season 4 i had an olaf in jungle carry our team, hes playable just its not going to be easy.

Rinky DinkyJan 30, 20151 votes

Olaf, Twitch, and Eve are viable now if you are skilled with the champions.

Why the fuck is twitch even on this list, he was the only adc picked to not be shat on after worlds.

I can only assume you are talking about the fiasco's in season 1, 2, and 3 , in which case........ Very true :P

Diana should be in this list as well

JunkοJan 30, 20151 votes

Sona item 3070

agbudarJan 30, 20151 votes

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uh it's probably cause making zed unviable is not the intent. that's not what balancing does.

yet almost any other nerf to any other champion does....

intent is nice and all but its the result that matters.

PhifeJan 30, 20156 votes

hes not OP

said me.

ArcanegelJan 30, 20156 votes

I almost love how people say Zed is OP now.....Id say he was up there with being Yasuo broken upon release. Took like 3 months for riot to figure out and even then [His current state now], is really strong after various nerfs/changes, almost bordering OP [in the right hands]. Now stopping there, lets just say Zed is a Shadow of his former self.

He is admittedly strong, but hes not OP in his current state especially to your casually player. I hate to be that dude, but the term zed mains use "but mah skillcap" is correct Your average joe can faceroll his keyboard and become a god tier zed.

Kitten of EvilJan 30, 20155 votes

Zed is a Shadow of his former self.

Lel I C WOT U DID THERE.

OleandervineJan 30, 20151 votes

Lissandra I don't see it.

Learn 2 SwimJan 30, 20156 votes

The Zed rework 8 months ago was UNANIMOUS on these forums as one of the best reworks EVER. It is very rare that everyone can agree a rework was great.

Riots terrible method of constantly nerfing everything in cycles is killing this game. Zed was fine until AP mana regen was nerfed. Now a great champion with a formally amazingly balanced kit is now going to get nerfed. Next up, all ADCs will be OP again and they will have to be nerfed. This is really killing the game and has to stop.

Learn 2 SwimJan 30, 20155 votes

Zed is fine. The problem is the scumbags on these forums that get champions nerfed and for some reason Riot listens to you losers.

Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed

This company is run by morons if they think listening to their forums in anyway is healthy for their game.

Rinky DinkyJan 30, 20151 votes

You left tanks out :(

Marinaras TrenchJan 30, 20151 votes

they were op at the same times that bruisers were

pleepJan 30, 20151 votes

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Zed is fine. The problem is the scumbags on these forums that get champions nerfed and for some reason Riot listens to you losers.

Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed Assassins OP > gets nerfed ADC's OP > gets nerfed AP mids OP > gets nerfed Bruisers OP > gets nerfed

This company is run by morons if they think listening to their forums in anyway is healthy for their game.

This

flibitydooJan 30, 20154 votes

The nerfs weren't to make him unviable

Rarely are there nerfs to kick a champion into of unviability.

They are there to cripple one of Zed's many free strengths (basically any strength that isn't assassination).

DropFillJan 30, 20152 votes

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The nerfs weren't to make him unviable

Rarely are there nerfs to kick a champion out of unviability.

They are there to cripple one of Zed's many free strengths (basically any strength that isn't assassination).

Why not start by his BS bonus AD on W?

flibitydooJan 30, 20153 votes

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Why not start by his BS bonus AD on W?

I mean that's not really responding to my post

(in which I meant to say that Riot didn't intend to make him unviable)

I don't have the authority to speak on why they didn't remove the bonus % ad on his W

Most likely I suspect, the nerf to his attackspeed is there because it would weaken his splitpushing without affecting his ability to assassinate (which is his primary role).

RaptameiJan 30, 20153 votes

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The nerfs weren't to make him unviable

Rarely are there nerfs to kick a champion into of unviability.

Olaf Sona Sion Galio Elise Cassiopeia Urgot Evelynn

ForgiveColourJan 30, 20152 votes

LOL this guy just said sion cass and sona is not viable

360D3GR3SSJan 30, 20154 votes

Zeds biggest weakness is someone who knows Zeds mechanics. Or exhaust...

HeyIinJan 30, 20152 votes

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Zeds biggest weakness is someone who knows Zeds mechanics. Or exhaust...

that just made me laugh, good job sir. Have a cookie. item 2054

Solidair3Jan 30, 20152 votes

Well, the whole point of nerfs isn't to make champions unviable, but to tone them down and keep them viable without leaving them overbearing.

While I will say there are still problems, if you're looking for him to become unviable, then good luck. You're going to be waiting a long ass time.

SpiritGearJan 30, 20152 votes

Came here for the joke title Stayed for the joke description Zed

SammystormJan 30, 20152 votes

Well what exactly would you do to said to make him balanced? you obviously think he needs work so how do you fix him?

Chaotic ReksJan 30, 20152 votes

"Balance is weakness." Zed Turns out that zed has rito philosophy

TalamareJan 30, 20151 votes

Zed was nerfed?

Where?

If they are going to give slap in the wrist, at least slap on the wrist his wave clear/burst

Even like 5 damage on each rank on his Q, come on Riot From 75 / 115 / 155 / 195 / 235 to 70/110/150/190/230

Kuroi86Jan 30, 20151 votes

The point wasn't to make him unviable.
And expect more to come, I'm thinking his shadow slash will be next. Either reduced damage towards minions, or just lower damage with bonus damage towards champs.

Rinky DinkyJan 30, 20151 votes

Why should Zed be nerfed into unviability.

The title wants to make me dismiss you as an angsty 360 no scooper.

"Zed has reasonable trade offs now!" would have been ALOT less bigot-y

And as far as that goes, I agree. These nerfs DID ALOT believe it or not, but he still needs his infinite waveclear problem solved.