They're the only melee adcs without tools to deal with tanks. Examples:
all have true damage.
If you consider him a melee adc he deals a lot of mixed damaging mak3 it hard to itemize vs him.
has 50% bonus armor pen
a strange melee adc but he has true damage and ignores armor with his barrels.
If they do get reworked and stay as melee adcs they will need tools to deal with tanks.
Critmaster Garen4 votesaaxtrox was never intended to be a melee adc. and his passive isnt nearly enough to make him one.
he was always intended to be a bruiser, stacking a mix of health and ad. i mean doesnt his blood pool scale with health? and his w is similar to olafs passive in that it gets better on low health. so youll want to have enough health to survive as long as possible on ~40% total.
edit.: ok, his blood pool doesnt scale with health directly, but his abilities cost % current health and fill the blood pool faster, and grant him attack speed faster when he stacks health.
67chrome2 votesaaxtrox was never intended to be a melee adc.
When he was released everyone thought he was intended to be a melee ADC.
I'm pretty sure Riot even intended for him to be a melee ADC.
Aatrox building tanky and being a tanky bruiser was pretty much the same thing as release-Irelia being intended an assassin and being built tanky DPS, release Lee-Sin being intended an assassin and building tanky DPS, or release-Ekko being intended an assassin... and building tanky DPS.
Ralanr4 votesIf this is an attempt to buff Tryndamere than I'm gonna have to say: No.
His design ends up being broken when his numbers are good.
Pyrithegethon2 votesNo, dont buff that fucking champ, rework him. Change his passive, W, and R to actually be fair to play against, Q as heal for lane sustain.
Handy Sandy 1 votes
Can jump over walls n stuff and revive
One of the best champions at taking towers - and taking towers win games.
Pyrithegethon1 votesAatrox can easily be stopped from jumping walls and other champs are better than tryndamere at split pushing while being useful to the team.
Handy Sandy 1 votesAatrox can easily be stopped from jumping walls and other champs are better than tryndamere at split pushing while being useful to the team.
Which champs split push better than tryn? He has an escape, a heal, his ult lets him damage the towers even more, and the only thing that's really good on him is AD and attack speed.
Pyrithegethon1 votesGP can run fast, devour towers quickly, and push or defend with his ult.
Jax can just hop around, dodge all autos, and get a massive armor and mr steroid.
Yi can attack towers far faster and make a super speedy getaway.
Fiora can constantly dash around, parry everything, and get a heal from passive and ult if she turns on you.
eat towers and can turn on you super fast.
not sure since the Q nerf but he can kill towers fast and be harder to catch than Udyr.
Rito Gums1 votesTryndamere is the splitpush and 1v1 god
Pyrithegethon1 votesPlay a full build Tryndamere in a custom or regular game vs a full build of any of those other champions and tell me he is a 1v1 god. Fiora will kite, yi will run till his ult is down, jax will dodge and hop, yasuo will kite and cc, gp can kite and slow, irelia can stun and run.
Ralanr1 votesIt all comes down to when you ult.
Pyrithegethon1 votesMoment you ult they kite you away, it's a real feelsbadman moment
Ralanr4 votesSlow them?
TequilaZombie2 votesThat's when you slow, spin and shove your huge ass sword in the back of their heads.
LappaDanielson1 votesPlay a full build Tryndamere in a custom or regular game vs a full build of any of those other champions and tell me he is a 1v1 god. Fiora will kite, yi will run till his ult is down, jax will dodge and hop, yasuo will kite and cc, gp can kite and slow, irelia can stun and run.
Fiora can kite? W and E, reduce her dmg and run her down. oh you built ghostblade on trynd, run her down faster jax will dodge and hop, see above gp can kite, see above irelia can stun, see above ITS ABOUT HOW YOU BUILD
Rito Gums2 votesIrelia can stun and kite? well, you havent played irelia didnt you....she can only stun if she is lower hp...undying rage keeps you at 70..... also you have a fking slow and goddamn dash over walls also you bring flash, dafuq you talking about
PermabannedGaren1 votesPlay a full build Tryndamere in a custom or regular game vs a full build of any of those other champions and tell me he is a 1v1 god. Fiora will kite, yi will run till his ult is down, jax will dodge and hop, yasuo will kite and cc, gp can kite and slow, irelia can stun and run.
Fiora will die if she tries to actually fight Tryndamere 1v1 late game. The very best she can hope for is to escape him.
Yi will be too low to roll back up on Tryndamere without dying. Tryndamere will have healed back a chunk of the damage Yi did to him with his Q, and Tryndamere's burst is higher. Assuming that Yi doesn't die early on in the fight mind you. Yi can't build tanky enough to last long against Tryndamere.
Jax can actually fight Tryndamere.
Yasuo will run away if he can, die if he can't, lol.
Same with GP, only GP tends to build full damage so Trynd can kill him in like three auto attacks.
Mercurial scimitar. Tryndamere is more mobile than Irelia.
Anyway, you missed it entirely.
Tryndamere is worse than other melee carries (though Yi is worse right now) because all he's good for is splitpushing and dueling. That's it.
The other champions can actually team fight to some extent. Tryndamere is just too easy to peel.
Aatrox is not a melee carry, and is bad because he'd be cancer if he was good.
Buff Jax please1 votesTrynd kills tanks better than Jax. Jax still does 70% physical damage after all, Trynamere's crits are much more effective vs tanks than that rather mediocre amount of mixed dmg.
Death by Glamour1 votesIrelia jax and flora are generally built as bruisers rather than full damage.
Pyrithegethon1 votesThat is true though iirc fiora isn't meant to be built bruiser, at least they didnt intend that the same way they didnt intend PD full tank yasuo to happen.
Ok sure but why1 votes"why are they the worst melee champs?" "because they can simply not die every now and then"
Yaśuo Main1 voteshmmm.
Yi's true damage can do 50 true damage, with 25 on the passive...(max i think)
i'd say he can do 400+ true damage at level 18 near full build? idk
you got a point there Yasuo's 50 armor pen is only if he gets the knock up, and trust me, 300 armor reduced to 150 isn't too much effective.
GP's true damage i've seen do up to 600 damage, so thats a good point for Yi. Plus the barrels.
Jax is Jax, he had the "dodge" mechanic before so its poor to use him as a reason
Terminus Edge1 votesAatrox just needs too many mutually exclusive stats to do anything useful.
Needs HP and resistances so he doesn't get squashed, but he also needs to build AD because his QWE all scale off Bonus AD.
If they tinkered with his numbers to make some of his scalings work off of Total AD (like how they redid the damage on Darius' Q), it might help him a little bit for the short term, though he still needs a considerable amount of work overall.
cinomenapplebae1 votes
is about as good as trynd