Singed got gutted on PBE

D357R0Y3R·Jun 12, 2018·8 votes·5,140 views

Singed

Poison Trail (Q) mana cost per second increased from 13 to 17

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25 Comments

MalzaJun 12, 20186 votes

To decrease his WR back down to 51% all they'd likely have to do is

Increase early level flings manacost by 30/40 more like it used to be. Make timewarp tonic not work with his ult unless you actually use a potion. Then this.

Reminder that this hotfix: -R cd: 100 all ranks = > 120/110/100 -Base health down by 30 -Down 5 HP per level

Decreased his winrate by 5% on his rework.

D357R0Y3RJun 12, 20182 votes

you earned my respect for suggesting nerfs that would actually fix singed

as for his hotfixes the reason it decreased his win rate by 5% is because base HP nerfs are one of the biggest nerfs in league which is why it's almost never done

MalzaJun 12, 20183 votes

I am fine with nerfs to Singed if they do not lower his strengths but instead punishes poor play from Singed (bad mana management etc). If they nerf his strengths via things like damage nerfs it completely ruins the champ.

Bob the ToastrJun 13, 20181 votes

Even though I hate playing against singed I agree with you. Definitely make it so he gets punished for bad mana management, and possibly lower his health regen since he already takes corrupting pot and has his ult so he is punished for trying to trade at a bad time. He needs to keep his damage though. Perhaps even a slight buff on damage to go with a fairly heavy nerf.

Meep ManJun 12, 20184 votes

"Gutted"

That's pretty baby to be honest. The Singed players who just leave Q running all the dang time early game are gonna hurt though.

At worst we might have to build a item 3010 now early.

D357R0Y3RJun 12, 20183 votes

sarcasm brother

TokogawarufJun 13, 20181 votes

when your sarcasm is so highly advanced People think you´re serious

Critmaster GarenJun 12, 20182 votes

thats almost a 30% increase in mana cost.

might not look like much, but its going to impact him on his first few levels. if hes trying to clear the first two waves with his poison, hes probably going to run out of mana and you can freely take a shit on him.

RexxieeJun 12, 20182 votes

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thats almost a 30% increase in mana cost.

might not look like much, but its going to impact him on his first few levels. if hes trying to clear the first two waves with his poison, hes probably going to run out of mana and you can freely take a shit on him.

You know he doesnt have to keep the poison on at all times to poison the wave right?

Nerfs like this are irrelevant because his poison has a 1s CD, and can be toggled off at any time.

MalzaJun 12, 20181 votes

This is about 28 (possibly 24 if you do it very well?) mana per wave nerf when managing mana optimally (if you want to cut down mana usage a lot more you will have to tank tons of dmg from minions). This isn't actually taking into account using poison on enemy champions, or using it to zone so it'll actually be a bit higher.

Use any less mana and you will be lowering your pushing speed.

That means for every three waves singed can fling you one less time, or if they're an average singed player it'll probably be two less times.

azulodinJun 13, 20182 votes

Stop bandwagoning. He probably won't even be OP without Banner being in the game. He's at a 53% win rate right now whoop dee doo. His skill floor is lower than average so he SHOULD have a greater than 50% win rate. His mastery curve is actually surprisingly high but the bad singeds won't drag down his win rate like is true for lee, ekko, riven, shaco, irelia (actually OP despite a lower win rate) etc.

Moreover, that's a significant nerf to early game. Do you just see small numbers and not comprehend proportionality? Singed will have to be smarter about using his mana and will be more exploitable. Proxying will possibly be unviable now too.