There's no such thing as a melee hyper carry anymore

HateDaddy··59 votes·6,234 views

They've all become cheesey split pushers because they rely heavily on single target damage and they'll never ever feasibly be on par with ranged ADCs consistent and safer dps where as aoe bruisers like Darius and Illaoi have much better teamfights because they're able to stand in the middle of teams and aoe everything. Tanks also have better teamfights naturally.

Melee champions who were once considered hyper carries like Nasus Jax MasterYi Tryndamere are easily peeled, die too fast or are too kitable. It's better to just split push because you can never teamfight consistently well with these champions unless snowballing early.

The only "melee" carries that can function decently in teamfights are Yasuo and Fiora because both of them have cheesey gimmicks that reward them for winning their "mini games." And even then, they've elected to both build bruiser now or in the past because building full damage just means you'll blow up on contact.

So please, I hate the term hyper carry in general in league because if we go based on its original and true definition, there isn't such thing anymore. But if we go based on the new league definition of hyper carry, none of these melee champions are hyper carries anymore. Season 2, maybe even season 3, sure, they probably were. But they aren't hyper carries anymore. Too much cc, too many slows, too much damage (supports like Bard and Zyra can fucking solo kill solo laners for crying out loud), too much mobility especially on ranged champions, and not enough in itemization to help these champions deal with it because tenacity sucks and displacements are too plentiful.

So let us have a moment of silence for our fallen "hyper carries" as they join Harambe in the great beyond

178 Comments

Mira Arya Enthe8 votes

You want to talk about easy to peel? Try playing Shyvana. Believe it or not, she use to be played Damage oriented. Due to the fact that everyone gets peeled, CC'd and bursted into oblivion nowadays she just gets kitted too easily. And has to build tanky/tenacity to get close to anybody.

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You want to talk about easy to peel? Try playing Shyvana. Believe it or not, she use to be played Damage oriented. Due to the fact that everyone gets peeled, CC'd and bursted into oblivion nowadays she just gets kitted too easily. And has to build tanky/tenacity to get close to anybody.

lol that has always been shyvanna's down fall. she has no cc, and no real engage out side of ulting into a fight after she has her rage up.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-04T23:37:41.973+0000)

lol that has always been shyvanna's down fall. she has no cc, and no real engage out side of ulting into a fight after she has her rage up.

The point is there use to be less CC, tenacity use to be stronger(due to less displacement) and less burst. Meaning she could build damage, jump into a fight, and rely on damage and lifesteal. Now she is a pure tank. Look at her guides dating back through each season, progressively she has been built more and more as a tank over the years.

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The point is there use to be less CC, tenacity use to be stronger(due to less displacement) and less burst. Meaning she could build damage, jump into a fight, and rely on damage and lifesteal. Now she is a pure tank. Look at her guides dating back through each season, progressively she has been built more and more as a tank over the years.

the only time she was viable is when devour was broken.

she needs a massive rework

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-04T23:45:33.973+0000)

the only time she was viable is when devour was broken.

she needs a massive rework

She is viable and played currently, with a 50% win rate. She is fine if you build her tank with a titanic hydra. Instead of trying to build her damage like some people do.

The point was she use to be built Ravenous hydra, Wit's end, blood thirster, frozen mallet and GA in S2. When she was plenty viable. she was also viable during the tank meta. She use to be played top lane with BotrK. She has been viable for most of League's history, and is a very old champion. She currently has some issues because she lost her viability top lane, and lacks CC for ganking. I posted ideas for a rework, small, that would keep her theme and design. But make her more solid with modern design.

But the statement that she needs a massive rework is wrong. Or that she was only viable during Devourer. She was viable for years before that. In S1 she was built like an ADC, in S2 like a DPS bruiser with lifesteal, in S3 she was a tanky bruiser, in S4 she was tanky, S5 Devouerer, S6 almost pure tank.

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[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-04T23:49:34.162+0000)

She is viable and played currently, with a 50% win rate. She is fine if you build her tank with a titanic hydra. Instead of trying to build her damage like some people do.

The point was she use to be built Ravenous hydra, Wit's end, blood thirster, frozen mallet and GA in S2. When she was plenty viable. she was also viable during the tank meta. She use to be played top lane with BotrK. She has been viable for most of League's history, and is a very old champion. She currently has some issues because she lost her viability top lane, and lacks CC for ganking. I posted ideas for a rework, small, that would keep her theme and design. But make her more solid with modern design.

But the statement that she needs a massive rework is wrong. Or that she was only viable during Devourer. She was viable for years before that. In S1 she was built like an ADC, in S2 like a DPS bruiser with lifesteal, in S3 she was a tanky bruiser, in S4 she was tanky, S5 Devouerer, S6 almost pure tank.

i never see her played or picked. if she isnt picked and the people who do play her are shy "mains" then a 50% win rate is nothing. but the fact of her as a jungler with no cc, no gank til 6 who is a farm jungler and you are playing against a LEE , VI ,ZAC ,RENGAR , KHA who can pressure early and not worried about counter ganks. i rather no have her on team. too many other champs can do what she does and have more to her kit.

she isnt viable , but then again you cried that yorick played in rank should be counted as intentional feeding

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-04T23:55:26.855+0000)

i never see her played or picked. if she isnt picked and the people who do play her are shy "mains" then a 50% win rate is nothing. but the fact of her as a jungler with no cc, no gank til 6 who is a farm jungler and you are playing against a LEE , VI ,ZAC ,RENGAR , KHA who can pressure early and not worried about counter ganks. i rather no have her on team. too many other champs can do what she does and have more to her kit.

she isnt viable , but then again you cried that yorick played in rank should be counted as intentional feeding

Guess who has both lower play AND win rates than her in jungle?

Nautilus, Diana, Udyr, Kindred, Fizz, Twitch, Trundle, Kled, Maokai. Can't tell em you never see them in jungle? Can't tell me they never win from jungle? Right?

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[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-09-05T00:15:30.982+0000)

Guess who has both lower play AND win rates than her in jungle?

Nautilus, Udyr, Kindred, Fizz, Twitch, Trundle, Kled, Maokai. Can't tell em you never see them in jungle? Can't tell me they never win from jungle? Right?

and where are you basing this info off of?

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-05T00:16:45.938+0000)

and where are you basing this info off of?

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Jungle&sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend

Measures all NA, platinum+ games.

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[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-05T00:18:15.801+0000)

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Jungle&sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend

Measures all NA, platinum+ games.

now as far as the data provided from your source Shyvana is 25th in win rate. and 26th in pick rate.

as far as the others you mention, Nautilus is picked more at support then jungle. Fizz is far better mid and top than jungle. and Kindred was nerfed to death a while ago. also any attack speed auto reliant junglers that built devour all got hurt and dropped due to the devour going away and now having bloodrazor. Maokai is more often picked top then jungle. Kled is new and people are trying to figure out what role is best for the champ, so far its top. Trundle is primary picked top or support. Twitch jungle is just a joke and not viable. and as far as Udyr he is another champ that got hurt by the devour nerfs and changes, not as strong with bloodrazor just as Shyvana

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-05T00:27:59.642+0000)

now as far as the data provided from your source Shyvana is 25th in win rate. and 26th in pick rate.

as far as the others you mention, Nautilus is picked more at support then jungle. Fizz is far better mid and top than jungle. and Kindred was nerfed to death a while ago. also any attack speed auto reliant junglers that built devour all got hurt and dropped due to the devour going away and now having bloodrazor. Maokai is more often picked top then jungle. Kled is new and people are trying to figure out what role is best for the champ, so far its top. Trundle is primary picked top or support. Twitch jungle is just a joke and not viable. and as far as Udyr he is another champ that got hurt by the devour nerfs and changes, not as strong with bloodrazor just as Shyvana

Many of these are picked in jungle in LCS... they are viable. Just lower levels don't know how to use them effectively. The point is she isn't in the top tier, but was last season, and is still doing okay this season. Despite that players are trying to build her bloodrazor and Fervor rather than tanky. So she needs a 'massive rework' no more than Udyr does. She needs some CC put in her kit, and some adjustments in certain areas. She doesn't need a 'massive rework' that is an overreaction from somebody who knows nothing about the champion's history. She was very strong in S5, average in S4, decent in S2 and 3. Shit in S1. Good before S1 existed. And is okay this season. She is still picked, still played. Her only named weakness and design problem is her 'lack of CC'

High tier Shyvana players have merely suggested that they add a slow to her E, a brief stun to her ult, and tune her damage to compensate. To make her solid again.

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Many of these are picked in jungle in LCS... they are viable. Just lower levels don't know how to use them effectively. The point is she isn't in the top tier, but was last season, and is still doing okay this season. Despite that players are trying to build her bloodrazor and Fervor rather than tanky. So she needs a 'massive rework' no more than Udyr does. She needs some CC put in her kit, and some adjustments in certain areas. She doesn't need a 'massive rework' that is an overreaction from somebody who knows nothing about the champion's history. She was very strong in S5, average in S4, decent in S2 and 3. Shit in S1. Good before S1 existed. And is okay this season. She is still picked, still played. Her only named weakness and design problem is her 'lack of CC'

High tier Shyvana players have merely suggested that they add a slow to her E, a brief stun to her ult, and tune her damage to compensate. To make her solid again.

no many of these arent picked lcs jungle , like never Twitch is never picked in lcs even at adc. Maokai is top in in lcs Trundle is top or support in lcs Udyr is not picked lcs Kled as far as i know has yet to be played lcs Nautilus isnt picked in lcs Fizz hardly ever picked lcs Kindred was before she was nerfed to death

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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no many of these arent picked lcs jungle , like never Twitch is never picked in lcs even at adc. Maokai is top in in lcs Trundle is top or support in lcs Udyr is not picked lcs Kled as far as i know has yet to be played lcs Nautilus isnt picked in lcs Fizz hardly ever picked lcs Kindred was before she was nerfed to death

Udyr is played in LCS, just not as commonly anymore. I have seen trundle this season. Naut was, he fell off a bit, was top tier. Again, her win rate is average, her pick rate is average. That is far from 'not viable'. And she wins a lot more than some of the more popular champions, the popular champions often picked because they are more interesting or have a higher skill cap.

Not sure what you are trying to argue. The champion has always done average or better, and is just not strong in the current meta. Again, it's rare that more than 15-20 champions are ever strong in any particular meta. She was in the top tier last season, isn't anymore. but 'not viable' implies playing a champion is detrimental to the team. Which is more like Yorick, with his 46% win rate, or Aatrox who has been trash since his early nerfs Riot did until they could rework him. Shyvana is not those, she still works quite well. Plat+ it is 50.4% win rate, which means just above the 50/50(average) mark. In lower levels, she is even better, because strong warding and counter jungling does not exist. She is far from needing a 'massive rework' again, she needs some small changes to bring her up to date.

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Udyr is played in LCS, just not as commonly anymore. I have seen trundle this season. Naut was, he fell off a bit, was top tier. Again, her win rate is average, her pick rate is average. That is far from 'not viable'. And she wins a lot more than some of the more popular champions, the popular champions often picked because they are more interesting or have a higher skill cap.

Not sure what you are trying to argue. The champion has always done average or better, and is just not strong in the current meta. Again, it's rare that more than 15-20 champions are ever strong in any particular meta. She was in the top tier last season, isn't anymore. but 'not viable' implies playing a champion is detrimental to the team. Which is more like Yorick, with his 46% win rate, or Aatrox who has been trash since his early nerfs Riot did until they could rework him. Shyvana is not those, she still works quite well. Plat+ it is 50.4% win rate, which means just above the 50/50(average) mark. In lower levels, she is even better, because strong warding and counter jungling does not exist. She is far from needing a 'massive rework' again, she needs some small changes to bring her up to date.

lol last season was devour... that was my original point and you have tried to twist and turn and wiggle each way you could to argue that shy is a viable pick. she has been outside of the top 15 since devour was gone away with.

pick % and win% she is 25th 26th

with out devour she isnt worth picking.

jaymc11302 votes

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You have a very strange definition of viable... from my knowledge it has always meant this in LoL

vi·a·ble ˈvīəb(ə)l/ adjective capable of working successfully, reliably

Teemo support is not Viable. Yorick is not Viable. Aatrox is not Viable.

Shyvana is perfectly viable. There is a tier list regularly released. She has always been Tier 3 - God Tier. The tier list clearly says 4 or lower is when champions are not viable in the current meta. Just because it isn't god tier, doesn't make it not viable. It's just a weaker pick.

Again, she needs small changes to make her a good pick in the current iteration of the game. "Massive Rework" implies Yorick or Poppy. Which she isn't.

Shyvana hasn't been competitively viable since season 4 mate.

Just saying.

Any one who told you other wise straight up lied to you.

I used to play a LOT of shyvana when she was strong in top lane and after the original incarnation of Cinderhulk was released. She's been terrible ever since the Flame breath nerfs at the end of season 3 killed her ability to lane vs anything except basically Renekton and Garen.

PapaGreg212 votes

Hai used to play Shyvana in LCS when he was on Cloud9 so I know that's false. He did well with her by using the devourer build.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-05T00:27:59.642+0000)

now as far as the data provided from your source Shyvana is 25th in win rate. and 26th in pick rate.

as far as the others you mention, Nautilus is picked more at support then jungle. Fizz is far better mid and top than jungle. and Kindred was nerfed to death a while ago. also any attack speed auto reliant junglers that built devour all got hurt and dropped due to the devour going away and now having bloodrazor. Maokai is more often picked top then jungle. Kled is new and people are trying to figure out what role is best for the champ, so far its top. Trundle is primary picked top or support. Twitch jungle is just a joke and not viable. and as far as Udyr he is another champ that got hurt by the devour nerfs and changes, not as strong with bloodrazor just as Shyvana

Also resort those results by win rate, she wins a lot more games than many of the popular junglers. She is also a solid secondary pick for many jungle mains if their main was banned, picked or counter picked. Because she is simple to pick up.

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Also resort those results by win rate, she wins a lot more games than many of the popular junglers. She is also a solid secondary pick for many jungle mains if their main was banned, picked or counter picked. Because she is simple to pick up.

being the 25th isnt popular. if she was picked more and had more games played then the win/loss rate would change. its people who main her picking her . when she is out side the top 10 junglers means she isnt as viable as others.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

If kindred would be "nerfed to death" mains wouldn't have a 58% winrate on him. And twitch jungle IS viable. Very much. Slow clear, but good ganks and mid-late midgame hypercarry.

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from what Kindred was to being a priority pick/ban to being not picked in major play is saying something . she did get nerfed. riot really punished her early game so she cant snow ball as hard and also the change to devour which was reworked into bloodrazor was an nerf as well. you claim kindred mains have a "58%" win rate but we are talking as a whole . of course a main of a certain champ should have an above average win rate because they play that one champ. but as a whole kindred has the 17th win % in jungle at 50.17% when 3 patches ago it was 46.94% win rate which was 45th among junglers. and as far as twitch jungle he can easily be invaded and killed early he is a late game hyper carry but he is that at ADC. to say he is a viable jungler would be so so he is at best a niche pick in the right match up and team comp. and as of right now he has the 48th win rate as a jungler with a win % of 44.76%. so if you call that viable then by all means. who am i to disagree?

L Psy Kongroo6 votes

Ekko Gangplank Irelia Riven Melee hypercarries you say?

HateDaddy36 votes

[{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aXcvgAAq,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-09-04T23:55:03.324+0000)

Ekko Gangplank Irelia Riven Melee hypercarries you say?

Let's be honest, GP is as much as a melee champion as Kayle is at this point

And Ekko, irelia and Riven aren't hyper carries

jaymc11301 votes

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Let's be honest, GP is as much as a melee champion as Kayle is at this point

And Ekko, irelia and Riven aren't hyper carries

The only true melee hyper carry that still exists is Evelynn.

And that's mostly do to a broken ass bs passive and the existence of a broken ass bs item (item 3116 )

Anidan19 votes

She's not a hypercarry either, though. She doesn't get a Medusa or Spectre-level late-game, so by traditional hyper-carry definitions she doesn't fit, and she doesn't even get to be as crazy as what's considered a modern League hyper-carry like Koggy, either.

Marshbouy5 votes

I can't lie. I'm glad they don't exist anymore. they are incredibly annoying to fight and snowball ridiculously hard.

HateDaddy18 votes

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I can't lie. I'm glad they don't exist anymore. they are incredibly annoying to fight and snowball ridiculously hard.

Same could be said for basically every class of champions in this game

Laning against mages top lane is bullshit

Laning against tanks who can walk up to you and out damage and out tank you is bullshit

Being clicked on by a ranged champion all lane phase is bullshit

This idea that a class of champions being dead is a good thing is silly, nothing you play against that is strong will ever not be "annoying."

manbearswine2 votes

{quoted}

Same could be said for basically every class of champions in this game

Laning against mages top lane is bullshit

Laning against tanks who can walk up to you and out damage and out tank you is bullshit

Being clicked on by a ranged champion all lane phase is bullshit

This idea that a class of champions being dead is a good thing is silly, nothing you play against that is strong will ever not be "annoying."

Not entirely true, yes, everything which is strong will be annoying but "snowballing ridiculously hard" is in fact a trait melee hyper carries all have which others often don't.

A mage vs another mage top lane won't snowball very hard by default(can happen with certain champions), neither will a ranged right clicker or a ranged right clicker vs a mage, melee carries, especially the hyper melee carries, do snowball extremely hard.

HaloDragonX2 votes

HEY, THIS IS THE LEAGUE BOARDS. You can't just use common sense.

Sona x Rubick5 votes

you need so much things for a melee carry to work in dota 2, some melee carries are tanky, some have way too much defensive spells phantom assassin has 50% dodge, faceless voice has ekko's ulti on 5 seconds cooldown.

in league, Tryndamere cannot die for 5 seconds, that's the worse defensive spell i ever saw, it will just allow you to survive and run out of the fight imo. MasterYi 's W heals shit, and requieres him to not be cc'ed while he can't attack during his W.

riot found that the best way to make a melee carry works is to make him ranged. Gangplank

OVERALL, melee carries that aren't yasuo/fiora/gangplank won't work because they simply don't offer utility which is no buenno in high elo. And their mobility is somehow inferior to fiora/yasuo.

CaptnJakSparrow1 votes

I'm so sick of Harambe memes these days.

Nobody gives a fuck about the racoon that dies simply because he was in the wrong area at the wrong time some idiot it's like "lel murder lel." And beats it over the skull with a bat because "lel."

You can't just pick and choose what animal is conveniently complained about.

Before "lel endangered." You gotta ask yourself how many people went "lel Gorilla." and slaughtered thousands of them to make them endangered.

HateDaddy5 votes

{quoted}

I'm so sick of Harambe memes these days.

Nobody gives a fuck about the racoon that dies simply because he was in the wrong area at the wrong time some idiot it's like "lel murder lel." And beats it over the skull with a bat because "lel."

You can't just pick and choose what animal is conveniently complained about.

Before "lel endangered." You gotta ask yourself how many people went "lel Gorilla." and slaughtered thousands of them to make them endangered.

r u ok

InfernoFøx1 votes

Wait wait wait. What mini-game does yasuo have? The only game he has is to win lane and win the game lol. Also Fiora was always bruiser. Some builds maybe go full damage but she was always more healthy than a quinn top. Ekko Gangplank Irelia Graves Pantheon all of these champions are hyper carries in today's top lane. They have good CC, damage, tenacity, and overall, can affect the tide of the battle if played well. Same as Yasuo and Fiora. So we do still have hyper carries. It is just they are getting nerfed to the ground or countered way too easily because of reworks or other stuff that happens to them.

HateDaddy19 votes

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Wait wait wait. What mini-game does yasuo have? The only game he has is to win lane and win the game lol. Also Fiora was always bruiser. Some builds maybe go full damage but she was always more healthy than a quinn top. Ekko Gangplank Irelia Graves Pantheon all of these champions are hyper carries in today's top lane. They have good CC, damage, tenacity, and overall, can affect the tide of the battle if played well. Same as Yasuo and Fiora. So we do still have hyper carries. It is just they are getting nerfed to the ground or countered way too easily because of reworks or other stuff that happens to them.

Pantheon and irelia fall off late game lmao

InfernoFøx7 votes

Maybe pantheon. But not irelia. She is very strong late game. Very tanky, with a lot of tenacity. Plus with high attack speed tank and lifesteal, she will deal a lot, tank a lot, and heal a lot. She is an all-round good champion for any game.

HateDaddy20 votes

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Maybe pantheon. But not irelia. She is very strong late game. Very tanky, with a lot of tenacity. Plus with high attack speed tank and lifesteal, she will deal a lot, tank a lot, and heal a lot. She is an all-round good champion for any game.

She isn't going to solo kill an ADC by herself 1v5

She's a mid game champion, always has been and always will be

InfernoFøx4 votes

LOL!!!!! Are you kidding me?!? Nobody can 1v5 anyone late game. And Irelia is DESIGNED to kill ADCs. She deals around 75 true damage plus regular attack damage. With around 1.40 attack speed from Tri-force (any maybe BoRK or Rageblade), with a 2.5 second stun, she will delete an ADC 1v1. Late game she is tanky to dive to the back line and kill the carries. That is her role. I dont think you have ever played irelia before

HateDaddy15 votes

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LOL!!!!! Are you kidding me?!? Nobody can 1v5 anyone late game. And Irelia is DESIGNED to kill ADCs. She deals around 75 true damage plus regular attack damage. With around 1.40 attack speed from Tri-force (any maybe BoRK or Rageblade), with a 2.5 second stun, she will delete an ADC 1v1. Late game she is tanky to dive to the back line and kill the carries. That is her role. I dont think you have ever played irelia before

I didn't mean literally 1v5, but she functions as a diver and her ability to dive falls off pretty hard late game.

And I have played both as and against irelia plenty of times since s2.

Sona x Rubick10 votes

no armor pene fixed amount of true damage magic damage on e

->good in late game

kek

InfernoFøx1 votes

She is an auto attack based champion. It doesnt matter what type of damage her e does. If she can land a stun, thats 2.5 seconds of free damage. Also the based true damage is added with her attack damage. So shes doing more than just fixed amount of true damage. If she has red or Elder, thats a lot of true damage.

Play her in late game. And you will see how strong she is. TP ganks are amazing and diving potential is great.

jaymc11306 votes

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She is an auto attack based champion. It doesnt matter what type of damage her e does. If she can land a stun, thats 2.5 seconds of free damage. Also the based true damage is added with her attack damage. So shes doing more than just fixed amount of true damage. If she has red or Elder, thats a lot of true damage.

Play her in late game. And you will see how strong she is. TP ganks are amazing and diving potential is great.

Irelia late game is weak af. Plain and simple mate.

Source: I'm an ex Master Tier player who still rates in high diamond.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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Irelia late game is weak af. Plain and simple mate.

Source: I'm an ex Master Tier player who still rates in high diamond.

Thanks. Don't know why people argue her late game is strong.

Mecha MaIphite3 votes

Just because you stun someone doesn't mean you get free damage on them.

I mean, they kind of have four other people that can turn on you, most of which probably have CC of their own.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

nope, according to boards as soon as you land CC on someone (in my case kog maw) there is absolutely nothing he can do except standing there and die. There is never a team around them.

statelesskiller1 votes

Nasus kiteable? im sorry what?

summoner 6 stormraiders. just try and kite me

Rintam2 votes

Ari, Leblanc, Ezreal, Gnar. Just the ones I can name off the top of my head.

statelesskiller1 votes

ahri lb . . . MAYBE. gnar and ez? nah bruh. slows dont cut it to storm raiders

Rintam1 votes

Mini Gnar's Hyper movement speed bonus combined with his jumps allows you to outrun a storm raider's Nasus. Ez can just tp away until it wears off.

statelesskiller1 votes

ghost and storm raiders both? when yoru tagged with a 90% slow? i dont care how much movement speed you have. unless you go over a wall your not kiting a nasus that has storm raiders AND ghost

Rintam1 votes

Both can go over walls. That's the point.

statelesskiller1 votes

and either of those people if they had to go over a wall to escape me are now out of the fight and i can go and tear someone else apart.

especially gnar. a gnar that isnt in the middle of your team is a worthless gnar

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